A Sandwich Island Composite F20 / SIC-F20.

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Yes Piros, I agree. Worth a perv though !!

I agree with you too Al. Circa 17 feet is very fast, and usually gets onto little runners more easily, and stays on them longer.... especially for heavier paddlers (people who aren't light weight power houses). Lighter paddlers probably do OK on 14's. But in certain conditions, 20 feet will be a touch long!

That second shot is insane beautiful looking board are there any videos on it. C'mon Alain put your money where you mouth is build a 22 footer I still reckon it's too big but would love to have a go on it. If you scale that photo that guy is apx 6'4" ??? does'nt seem right.

Remember an ocean ski is only 17 in wide (approx) and still needs to float its own weight and paddler (80-90 kg approx but more for me ) so it needs to be substantially longer, there is nothing funnier to me seeing long SUP "race" boards with a metre of nose (massive rocker) not even needed for bouyancy.

20 long or bigger sheez what a pain in the arse to carry around , nightmare coming in through the shorebreak even a small one , or going out through one , snap .

If I was on the beach, and had the choice between a 12'6 & and a 20 footer, for a Downwinder.... No brainer... 20 feet of fun !! Sure not everyone's cup of tea, but that's what I would choose !!

If I had the choice between a S.I.C. F16, and F18, and F20, I would still go the F20! On the basis that I have paddled an F18, and I know I will get a go on an F16 soon enough, as they are almost a dime a dozen now..... But the F20 is rare girl !!

PeterP, you have to walk the 17's. Paddle from the middle to get onto runners, but walk back at the right time, to stop the nose from diving.

PeterP said...

From my limited experience with boards over 14' I'd agree with Piros - I have 17' Naish and 14' Naish and the 14' is a fair bit faster in our conditions. To avoid the nose of the 17 digging in you have to step so far back that you can't really get onto the run. The nose doesn't necessarily pearl - it just penetrates wave in front and slows you right down - to a point where I nearly stumble over forwards as I'm not used to it from the 14'.

If you have a sidewind the steering however is the biscuit - but we're talking pure downwind here. I think you'd have to design much more volume into the nose to get the volume and surface area to lift nose up on longer boards for shorter period swell conditions.

The surfskis are around 20ft but as someone mentioned much narrower - half their tails are out of the water when they are on the runs, so they are planing on the mid-area of the boat where we ride off the tails of our boards. I'm not sure if we could control our boards without a rudder if we were riding the middle area only. Keen to see how it develops

good points. even though a few shapers/ designer have been tinkering with the fronts of board so they are controlable if the nose goes under, i don't think sup noses are narrow enough to pierce through the bump/wave in front like skis ands to a slightly lesser extent oc1's can. you just seem to get a stall. the overall width of sup boards don't help either

who knows, someone might come up with a narrow displacement nose design that you can still stand on. would look forward to that

Perhaps the basic design limitation with a stand up board actually being as fast as the other craft is the fact that it needs to be wide enough and flat bottomed to actually stand on. Especially with the single bladed paddle.

As Mark says above, it will be very interesting to see where design goes in the future.

Lacey, are you saying that you would paddle this new beast for about 1/3 off the tail (or 2/3 off the nose)?

Yeah, the S.I.C. Twin Hull "Stand-amaran" is for sale (USD$3,000 - so not a desperate sale!). It was never going to be popular.... Twin hulls would be a bugger to turn ! Unless you had a second rudder control and further back, so you could steer with the nose out of the water... But "the market" is look for boards, not catamarans.... !!

10/10 for giving it a crack though ! Well done S.I.C.

I'm guessing if "The Catamaran" actually won a race, the design would get banned anyway !!?? It's a different class.... In sailing, Cat's are always off on their own.... I'm a big fan of Sailing Cat's, but no for SUP (note, I haven't paddled the SIC Cat, and have absolutely no desire).

Al Hunter said...

laceys lane said...

Simondo said...

Lacey, are you saying that you would paddle this new beast for about 1/3 off the tail (or 2/3 off the nose)?

i guess so. alain's wide point centre is back a fair bit, probably a little further than the naiish 17. i imagine the upper rails would have to really roll out to get the width back. the overall volume up the front would be reduced far more than say alains board, so i'm thinking it might be manageable. i also would be keeping the top deck noseline as high as possible- i wouldn't want it to go right under it's pretty out there for sure, but i might talk to alain and see if he can put his shape on 3d shaper and have a play one day. with the current design thinking i'm not sure whether really big boards are going to make that 'next step'.that sic twin hull board- what's happening there now

I know I could have gone narrower at the front of my 17 and the flat part could have started more at the back to get an even better displacement.
But at the time I made it lacey you should remember nobody was really convinced... so I went soft a bit!
I have no regrets though because it's not that far from what I had in mind feeling wise and I dont feel the stall I had on other boards.
I rarely walk back on a runner as the volume in front is really what I need. I thought of less volume in front since i started to use it ( only to reduce the weight a bit) but when I paddle and look at the board working I must admit I won't do it
I will put this board on shape 3D mainly because I want a 14' version of it ...should be done during march.
So no pressure to have the file done, but after that lacey you'll be able to play around with differents variations

hey that would be great ALH. it's just a pipe dream, but would be fun to have a fiddle around with.

i guess the goal is to run down those bumps
cheers

DavidJohn said...

I like the idea of a planning hull with nose rocker (even if it does stick up out of the water) so you can surf it without it catching like a low piercing nose can.. and a very pointy nose so that when you do pearl it pierces without slowing the board down too much.. and enough thickness in the nose area so that the buoyancy in the thick nose helps to prevent nose diving and brings the nose back up quickly when it does go under.. and also a reverse hull design that cuts through the water when it rises shedding water and also helping to make the board stronger.. and stiffer.

Pretty much what Naish are doing..

DJ

I think what people are getting at here DJ is a board that not only handles the drop and sits in the trough without the nose going under until that trough dissapears but a board that like an ocean ski, surf ski or OC1 can actually move over the bump in front and onto the next one and so on and so on. To do this though you need to chase them.

Riding a bump for 5, 10 or 20 seconds without paddling is great BUT being able to chase down a bump, quarter it so you never really get to the bottom, find a gap onto the next one in front etc etc is a lot more rewarding and seriously faster than just waiting for the nose to drop 3 quick taps and then riding that bump until it stops. Some guys do it on SUP, they win races and look at bump riding on SUP the way they have learnt to do it on the other craft with years of practice.

The Naish 14 design while a great board does not seem like it is designed for this kind of bump riding. It is easy to ride, comfortable etc but nobody at least that I have spoken to has ever accused it of being amazingly fast. Great in lined up big conditions though.

Saying all of that some people are not really interested in going fast, just easy and that's great, it is about fun.

Hey Angie, same thing happened when we did that DWer a couple of weeks ago here in Sydney in 35+. Kissa smashed it on the Fanatic 12'6", keeping up with Andy on his 17'. The boys all reckoned the shorter boards were the ticket in those conditions.

I agree angie, for lightweights 12'6 is very fast. I've got the Starboard Surf Race twins the 12'6 and the 14, depending on the conditions of the day the 12'6 can certainly be faster. I really love the quickness of acceleration that you get with a light weight 12'6 with relatively low nose rocker, funny thing is that it also rocks in light wind swell.

Also love the Surf Race 14, K15 is a fast downwind sleeper, oh and F16's fly in big waves....and the Naish Glide 17 - so smooth, the F18 I borrowed for a Maliko run was awesome, that DC 17 I tried in Perth rocked.....