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Rail tape. Tips tricks and hints wanted

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Created by SWE > 9 months ago, 3 Mar 2014
SWE
SA, 22 posts
3 Mar 2014 10:20PM
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Picked up some 3M tape the other day and just trying to establish the best way to put it on.

Any tips would be greatly appreciated

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
3 Mar 2014 11:02PM
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Prep - Make sure your rail is scrupulously clean, your fingers too.

Application - go carefully, peel a only few inches of backing at a time as you apply the tape, use one of those plastic windscreen scraper/squeegee things that you get from ski/snowboard shops to squeeze bubbles out as you go.

Positioning - helps to have the board on it's side (so you can see the full rail) straddle it and work along the rail, better if someone can help you hold the board steady.

Coverage - forward about a foot beyond where you can reach with your paddle, back to about a foot or so behind where you normally stand should be enough.

NB - the adhesive on the 3M stuff is pretty aggressive, if your tape looks a little crooked and you're tempted to lift it...don't...you risk lifting the paint on your rail. If you really must remove the tape, a little careful application of heat from a hair dryer will soften the adhesive, peel the tape back along itself (ie parallel to the rail, not perpendicular). A citrus-based goo remover will take off any residue.

Hope that helps.

(Edit: I stopped using the 3M stuff, I'll spend the extra $$$ for RailSaver Pro)

surfinJ
674 posts
3 Mar 2014 8:41PM
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Sounds like a big commitment. For an alternative solution to rail abuse you could try electrical
tape run around the paddle edge. Lay it down on the edge folding down onto the two paddle faces.
This very cheap and easily reversible technique works well.

Slab
1111 posts
3 Mar 2014 8:42PM
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Just for info....best tape I have found is helicopter tape....they use it on the rotor blades for some reason.

Goes on easy with few air bubbles and works fantastic...and stays on.

I once bought Surftech tape - it was AWFUL!!

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
4 Mar 2014 7:55AM
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try RADZ rail tape $40 for 4 metres better than 3m imo.
will post link where i get it.

FlyingKiwi
QLD, 218 posts
4 Mar 2014 8:00AM
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Slab said..

Just for info....best tape I have found is helicopter tape....they use it on the rotor blades for some reason.

Goes on easy with few air bubbles and works fantastic...and stays on.

I once bought Surftech tape - it was AWFUL!!


if you knew what the cost of Blade replacement was, you'd understand why blade tape is used

JustCruising
74 posts
4 Mar 2014 7:41AM
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I have only ever used the Naish stuff but I have found dipping my finger or thumb in water and using the pad of my thumb/finger works to get almost all the air bubbles out. The water just helps your finger slide over the tape and you only need a little so getting water under the tape is no issue.

It was so effective my mate asked if I was going to put tape on my new board and it was already on.

BetterIwas
NSW, 35 posts
4 Mar 2014 11:36AM
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This works



from blueplanetsurf.com - shop site from honolulu - they have quite few helpful videos accessed from their website.

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
4 Mar 2014 11:46AM
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BetterIwas said...
This works



from blueplanetsurf.com - shop site from honolulu - they have quite few helpful videos accessed from their website.



That would be the worst video I've seen on sea breeze ..sorry mate but that is just making an easy job hard.i take about 4 min max to do a board , no water nobody giving a hand, and don't take all the tape off at once ... That is asking for trouble

Kym Roberts
SA, 254 posts
4 Mar 2014 12:59PM
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Put all of those in the bin and by either Railsaver Pro or Ion rail protector no chips or damage to that part of the board ever again.

momasfolly
VIC, 237 posts
4 Mar 2014 7:50PM
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Rail Saver Pro, Had it on my regular board for nearly 1 year. Use the board most Weekends only in surf. No damage, no marks, tough stuff and easy to put on if you let it get warm.

No hesitation in recommending the stuff and there is an Aussie Distributor now!

BigLump
NSW, 55 posts
4 Mar 2014 11:35PM
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Yep ... I have to agree the Rail Saver Pro is great. It has a cross hatched raised pattern (knurled) that makes the tape seem thicker than it actually is.

When I first applied it there were a few bubbles that I couldn't get out, despite rubbing them with around 20 mm timber dowel.

The tape has been on a couple of months now and no sign of the bubbles, highly recommend.

I purchased mine from 2up Sup Newcastle.

straddie
QLD, 104 posts
4 Mar 2014 11:20PM
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On this topic team, best way to get the old stuff off and then remove the residue? Thanks heaps - Cooper

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
5 Mar 2014 7:30AM
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I have been using the 3m tape for years and have found it does the job well. There is a company putting out a kit with two 2m rolls of it in there, I know SurfFX stocks the kit.

Be careful to not use anything with a texture on your rails, we saw a board yesterday with what looked like the tape they use for grip on stair treads used as rail tape. Both the rider of the board and another person who tested it complained that the board didn't sit well in a wave, felt uncontrollable, and unresponsive. The only thing we could put it down to was the use of a textured tape on the rail, so time to remove it and test again. I haven't heard the outcome of any further test as yet.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17517 posts
5 Mar 2014 8:59AM
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I've have about 50 different sup boards over the years and never used rail tape once.. and never had one rail chip from my paddle.

All you need is this.. www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Stand%20Up%20Paddle/How-to-protect-your-paddle-blade-with-tape_7770254.aspx

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
5 Mar 2014 8:43AM
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DavidJohn said...
I've have about 50 different sup boards over the years and never used rail tape once.. and never had one rail chip from my paddle.

All you need is this.. www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Stand%20Up%20Paddle/How-to-protect-your-paddle-blade-with-tape_7770254.aspx


But DJ you put tape on your paddle

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
5 Mar 2014 10:20AM
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Your welcome......

www.bunnings.com.au/bear-48mm-x-25m-clear-all-weather-tape_p1661582

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
5 Mar 2014 11:33AM
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Cheers

SWE
SA, 22 posts
5 Mar 2014 1:19PM
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Gees wish I knew about this before I picked up the 3M gear. Might even get a roll to try it out on the surf SUP

thanks for all the comments not I just have to go for it

paul.j
QLD, 3358 posts
5 Mar 2014 3:58PM
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Dont waste your money on that bunnings stuff as it is to thin and will cause more damage whrn you try and pull it of.
If it was any good we would all be using it!!

Jacko

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
5 Mar 2014 4:17PM
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paul.j said..

Dont waste your money on that bunnings stuff as it is to thin and will cause more damage whrn you try and pull it of.
If it was any good we would all be using it!!

Jacko


haha poor Jacko, no money to be made from a bunnings sold item I guess the 10 boards I have had it on, and removed from 3 of them, never with a problem are just luck . I am certainly not saying it as good as the 3M, and thats with me never using 3M either, but it certainly represents good value for money.

As for it being too thin. I had it on a LSD 8.8 ( the one I bought from you) after a year of hard use, I removed it to clean up for sale. The rails looked that good that more than one person asked if I had repainted the rails (which I had not)

paul.j
QLD, 3358 posts
5 Mar 2014 5:45PM
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husq2100 said..

paul.j said..

Dont waste your money on that bunnings stuff as it is to thin and will cause more damage whrn you try and pull it of.
If it was any good we would all be using it!!

Jacko


haha poor Jacko, no money to be made from a bunnings sold item I guess the 10 boards I have had it on, and removed from 3 of them, never with a problem are just luck . I am certainly not saying it as good as the 3M, and thats with me never using 3M either, but it certainly represents good value for money.

As for it being too thin. I had it on a LSD 8.8 ( the one I bought from you) after a year of hard use, I removed it to clean up for sale. The rails looked that good that more than one person asked if I had repainted the rails (which I had not)



haha maybe you are just so good that you don't hit your rails? I have seen alot of boards with it on that have not fared so well. If i wanted to make money i would be a Chippy as i hear they make a killing!!

I feel a forum war coming on get ready Laurie to lock this topic could get nasty!!

nosaj27
QLD, 271 posts
5 Mar 2014 6:19PM
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Slab said..

Just for info....best tape I have found is helicopter tape....they use it on the rotor blades for some reason.

Goes on easy with few air bubbles and works fantastic...and stays on.

I once bought Surftech tape - it was AWFUL!!


I will back this up the Helicopter tape is good stuff and you can get it in various widths which suits varying rail widths.

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
5 Mar 2014 6:53PM
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paul.j said..

husq2100 said..

paul.j said..

Dont waste your money on that bunnings stuff as it is to thin and will cause more damage whrn you try and pull it of.
If it was any good we would all be using it!!

Jacko


haha poor Jacko, no money to be made from a bunnings sold item I guess the 10 boards I have had it on, and removed from 3 of them, never with a problem are just luck . I am certainly not saying it as good as the 3M, and thats with me never using 3M either, but it certainly represents good value for money.

As for it being too thin. I had it on a LSD 8.8 ( the one I bought from you) after a year of hard use, I removed it to clean up for sale. The rails looked that good that more than one person asked if I had repainted the rails (which I had not)



haha maybe you are just so good that you don't hit your rails? I have seen alot of boards with it on that have not fared so well. If i wanted to make money i would be a Chippy as i hear they make a killing!!

I feel a forum war coming on get ready Laurie to lock this topic could get nasty!!


Oh poor missinformed Jacko I hit my rails all the time, and if chippies were making a killling, id be in your store for the good stuff rather than buying second hand boards and cheap, thin, imitation rail tape..... even though it works

Laurie wont lock this, if anything he loves a good war. As post counts rise, so does his web value.

SWE
SA, 22 posts
5 Mar 2014 10:23PM
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So don't think I will now get the bunnings special as I got a tip tonight than sounds like a winner. If it worked I will let you know.

Also this helicopter tape that everyone speaks of , where do you get it? Not many helicopter shops in Adelaide

DavidJohn
VIC, 17517 posts
5 Mar 2014 11:26PM
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The best tip is...

Don't ......... Hit ......... Your ......... Rails ......

nosaj27
QLD, 271 posts
6 Mar 2014 7:39AM
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SWE said..

So don't think I will now get the bunnings special as I got a tip tonight than sounds like a winner. If it worked I will let you know.

Also this helicopter tape that everyone speaks of , where do you get it? Not many helicopter shops in Adelaide


Do a search on eBay for Helicopter Tape. Cyclists also use if to protect their bike frames. This is what I ordered last time and will be ordering again for my next board.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Matte-Helicopter-Bike-Frame-Protection-Tape-Film-Vinyl-Ultra-Thick-/281130635442?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var&hash=item4174b110b2&_uhb=1

straddie
QLD, 104 posts
6 Mar 2014 1:48PM
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Team, could someone please post info on removal of old tape and residue. Thanks heaps

BenKirk
NSW, 600 posts
6 Mar 2014 3:08PM
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ION rail tape is also very good. Comes in colours which is useful for hiding old paint chips!

nosaj27
QLD, 271 posts
6 Mar 2014 5:12PM
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straddie said..

Team, could someone please post info on removal of old tape and residue. Thanks heaps


Last time I took mine off I just gently pulled it away slowly with my fingers once I had an edge up and then used one of those Chux Magic Bathroom Eraser's with some methylated spirits on it to remove the residue left behind. Both sides removed and completely clean within 10-15 minutes.

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
6 Mar 2014 8:14PM
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Straddie,

As above, get an edge started and peel. Once all tape is removed I just use "Diggers Wax and Grease Remover" In the paint section of Bunnings with all the other "Diggers" products like Turps, Metho, Acetone, Thiners etc.



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