If anything like the windsurf forum there is nothing like a quick one lol, but anyway

My board too little, getting something bigger.

Me 96kg, losing weight so MAY be 90kg next summer

Will never ride more than a waist hi wave, this really is more about core strength and rehab for old windsurf injuries.

Currently have 9'6" x 29.5 x 4.5 which I can paddle around on in zero wind and not fall off. But on the whole it is a tiny bit too small

Looking at
Starboard 10' x 34" ... OR
JP 10' x 33.5" in AST construction (whatever the fk that means as their website tells you nothing, but it seems to be the slightly heavier construction thus no wood or carbon I think)

So - Starboard is $50 more. Which one?

There was a thread a while back that explained all the diferent types of construction maybe someone can find it.I demo'ed the starboard wopper at Merimbula in 2011 and found that it went well in small waves and was as stable as the QE2 but I think that it wouldn't cope with much bigger than a few feet.I was 95kg when I first started SUP and I found both 10'6" nalu(naish)and the 9'11'PSH xtra wide ripper were great boards to surf in a variety of conditions.I am now 10kg lighter(diet helps)and have 3 PSH boards that although they're less stable than the wopper they make up for it in other ways.I hpoe this helps a bit good luck.

im 98kg and ride an allwave 9'2 and am looking for 8'6.

given you will only surf small surf id be looking at allwaves, starboard widepoint, jp wide etc etc all around 9'0 mark. any bigger than 32 wide is overkill and at that width the length doesnt contribute that much to stability.... not the same as if it was 29 wide!

there are heaps of good wide style all condition wave boards. test a few.

i have tried and can recomend allwave, smaller wide point, fone manawa but you may need 9'6 in that shape ....

good luck!!

Mark, what 9'6 do you have? not all boards of a given set of dimensions are made equal.

I just got off a 8'8 x 29.25 and onto a 8'5 x 29.5 and the 8'5 is more stable. Just the way things are distributed on that shape (the 8'5 is also lower in volume).

Personally I wouldn't go above 30 wide, but 32 if you have to. Any wider and I don't think you will like it on a wave over time.

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aus301 said...
Personally I wouldn't go above 30 wide, but 32 if you have to. Any wider and I don't think you will like it on a wave over time.

Agreed. I've only tried Starboards so can't comment on JP but think you should consider the 10'5" x 30" Drive instead. I'm about your weight and use it for both surfing and flat water. It's a great all rounder, better at flat water than the Whopper and feels fast on a wave. Have had lots of fun on it at Brighton in 2-3', no problem taking off on steep waves. The only reason I'd want or need a smaller board is to be able to take it on a plane.

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aus301 said...
Mark, what 9'6 do you have? not all boards of a given set of dimensions are made equal.

I just got off a 8'8 x 29.25 and onto a 8'5 x 29.5 and the 8'5 is more stable. Just the way things are distributed on that shape (the 8'5 is also lower in volume).

Personally I wouldn't go above 30 wide, but 32 if you have to. Any wider and I don't think you will like it on a wave over time.

Totally agree....34" & 33.5" = too wide.....too wide to comfortably paddle any distance flatwater.....and probably unnecessarily wide for surf unless you are very very beefy

Another option to consider. I'm 6'2" and 98kg and have been riding a Simon Anderson Carrier for two years now, surfs great, stable and has option of quad or 2+1 fin set up. Dimensions are 10' x 32".

Interesting, I thought was to be a Starboard vs JP thread but now I have more food for thought.

I find on only 9'6" x 29.5 I have to paddle the crap out of it all the time to have some stability. As in, after 20mins all my old injuries hurt bad. Thus I figured 33 - 34 wide is good...... but now people are saying it is too wide and even that it will be hard to paddle. I thought it would be easier to paddle?

Can peeps expand on that?

ta

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Mark _australia said...
Interesting, I thought was to be a Starboard vs JP thread but now I have more food for thought.

I find on only 9'6" x 29.5 I have to paddle the crap out of it all the time to have some stability. As in, after 20mins all my old injuries hurt bad. Thus I figured 33 - 34 wide is good...... but now people are saying it is too wide and even that it will be hard to paddle. I thought it would be easier to paddle?

Can peeps expand on that?

ta

Your problem could possibly be the thickness. I'm 6'2" 102 kg & have found that thinner boards are more stable. By that I mean if you have 2 boards, the same width & length, but one is 4.5 thick & the other 3.75, the thinner one will most likely be more stable due to your center of gravity being lower in the water.

Its also posssible that your paddle could be either too long or short, aggravating your injuries.

Mark
I'd stick with the JP idea but go for the Fusion 10'2 x 32'
The guys are right, any wider is too wide
I paddle one as my big board, very stable and surfs well
We're about the same build by the way

I don't think the whopper is too wide at all, in fact i think it is spot on.

If your going to be surfing 2 foot waves in a bit of wind it's perfect, and you won't have any trouble selling it later on.

Another board is the avanti, 11'2" x 36", super comfy, surprisingly nimble and easy to surf

No offense, but i don't think blokes over east understand how crap the waves are here or how much wind we get

If you can afford the carbon, go for it!!!

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rydoba said...
I don't think the whopper is too wide at all, in fact i think it is spot on.

If your going to be surfing 2 foot waves in a bit of wind it's perfect, and you won't have any trouble selling it later on.

Another board is the avanti, 11'2" x 36", super comfy, surprisingly nimble and easy to surf

No offense, but i don't think blokes over east understand how crap the waves are here or how much wind we get

If you can afford the carbon, go for it!!!

+1 go for comfort i have got used to 34 wide and find it very comfy, turns good too. not too wide in my opinion.

32 is plenty wide .

I'm 6'4" and 96 kg (and aging - wrong side of 50) and have a lot of fun on a Starboard Blend - 11'2" x 30". I use that in waves up to a metre or so and also for some flat water fitness work. I find that pretty good alround, although I am thinking of trading down to a Starboard 10'5 Drive (also 30") - just feel that it would be a bit more responsive on the waves, and could probably handle slightly larger waves. I think it would also be good for some fitness paddling, but thus far haven't had an opportunity to demo one. The AST silver model can also take a windsurf master for when the wind gets a bit much for paddling, but not there yet for small-board sailing. Hmm... more to consider.

OK maybe I am dumb (good chance lol) but if I find 29.5" really unstable laterally, why are people recommending 30 -31" wide?

Surely that would be no real step up in stability?

I can paddle mine around all day in zero wind and a 1m swell as long as I keep it moving, but I want to be able to go out for more than 20mins in a few knots of wind and maybe some current / swell

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Mark _australia said...
OK maybe I am dumb (good chance lol) but if I find 29.5" really unstable laterally, why are people recommending 30 -31" wide?

Surely that would be no real step up in stability?

I can paddle mine around all day in zero wind and a 1m swell as long as I keep it moving, but I want to be able to go out for more than 20mins in a few knots of wind and maybe some current / swell

grab a whopper you will not regret it, if your anywhere near the central coast PM me and have a demo of wide points and whopper.

Sharpie surfs his 34" very well, there is also a guy up lennox way who rips on 32" boards, I reckon go for comfort and enjoy the sport.

Escape 10.6 paddles well glides well, surfs good in all sorts of surf, nice sharp edges and curves through the bottom. Vacuum bagged and hear cured every layer. You will get everything from this board :)

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Mark _australia said...
OK maybe I am dumb (good chance lol) but if I find 29.5" really unstable laterally, why are people recommending 30 -31" wide?

Surely that would be no real step up in stability?

I can paddle mine around all day in zero wind and a 1m swell as long as I keep it moving, but I want to be able to go out for more than 20mins in a few knots of wind and maybe some current / swell

because as I said in my first post, it's not all about width. It's not all about any one dimension really. Width gives no indication of volume distribution, deck shape, rocker, tail and nose width etc etc, and all these factors go into a stable board.

Generally a board that is 30-31 wide is built to be stable, where as 29.5 and lower are built overall to offer wave performance or even narrower for speed. So the 31 wide board will normally have all the other dimensions right to give it overall stability.

best way to be sure, Demo. You are lucky, in WA you will have no shortage of demo opportunities.

Thanks guys really appreciate it (told u I was slow though...)

Well the advice was very helpful thanks.

I bought a JP and am really happy - firstly $250 cheaper than the same size and construction Starboard.

Used it briefly today in conditions that I would never have used the old board in - about 8kn and some backwash around the point and current around islands making quite a bit of chop - and it was beautifully stable.
Finish is good and quality fin set supplied.

Only complaint is the deck pad could be a smidge thicker.

So now to board bags. I can't for the life of me find a 10 x 34 bag online. Seems the manufacturers have taken a while to catch up. (Well, not caught up at all)

Anyone seen a 10x34 bag? (or even a 33" wide in a coffin style bag may juusst do it)

Flying objects do a good solid 10 x 34 bag.

Yeah typical, found it after posting. Flying Objects is what I'd always buy if I could, top bags that I have always used for all my windsurf stuff.
Seems they are the only ones doing a wide bag

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Mark _australia said...
Seems they are the only ones doing a wide bag

I'm sure they're not the only ones guilty of that.

^^^^ yes but we don't tell anyone do we....