Took this sequence of a guy ducking under a sup fin while in the tube today

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pgc said..

Took this sequence of a guy ducking under a sup fin while in the tube today


yakes that was close.

If you can't handle your board don't go out where other people are, it's pretty simple.

towny i don't see a problem there. guys just paddling over a wave.

the guy on the sb decided to take the risk and hold his line.


that cannot be the sup guy at fault as i see it. where is he suppose to go- wait for the sb er to clean him up if he stuffs up the barrel- no thanks.

If he had of paddled over that wave in surfing stance , he would have had control and the loss of his board wouldn't have happened ,

This is definitely the SUP guy fault.

If there is a definite peak and a channel, we SUPs MUST get out well far of the impact zone, as is it so easy for us to take a detour to paddle around the peak.

Typical Fanatic rider behaviour

Nah, good read by LL here, Supper could have had better technique but other than that he is just paddling out, and there might have been a channel there when he was heading out. SBer took his chances and no big deal. But yes a bit of a close shave at the end - happens.

C'mon bit harsh he rode it over.....great commitment by the short boarder

Sometimes s**t just happens. Nobody's fault, just two people coming together at the wrong time. Get over it.

Basic principal applies here regardless of the craft a person is riding.

If your paddling out and someone is up and riding on a wave you need to make an early call. If you can comfortably make it around on the shoulder then keep paddling wide. If you think its touch and go and you might spoil the guy or gals wave then you should be willing to aim inside and wear the whitewash.

I'm sure we've all been guilty of it (me included) but its either an error in judgement -ie I can make it around without getting in the road or a conscious act of self preservation at the expense of the guy who was riding the wave. I'm sure I might be simplifying it because often decisions are made in the split second and there is a good chance it was an honest error in judgement in this instance.

Forget if it is a SUP or a normal surf board ora boogie board or a goat boat or a map ride. There is a concept that applies to everyone regardless and when we get it wrong you have to be willing to put your hand up - apologise and take a more conservative approach for the rest of the session to show that you have adjusted your approach.

Apologies for the 3 paragraphs but this is a bit of a hot topic for me after a session on the mal last Sunday at the Alley.

Cheers
HV

Forget all the bull. How composed was the guy on the short board.He just stayed in the tube and rode right thru. Now thats a charger!!!!!

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pgc said..

Forget all the bull. How composed was the guy on the short board.He just stayed in the tube and rode right thru. Now thats a charger!!!!!

Exactly, just the wow factor, not the **** about who is at fault. wtf are you hypercrits on about no one was injured so what fault are we talking about.

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Towny said..

If he had of paddled over that wave in surfing stance , he would have had control and the loss of his board wouldn't have happened ,

Righto you hero

No Hero I just think that it was a very dangerous situation that could have easily been avoided.

^^^The point is people are so quick to judge and yet everyone at some point has been in the same or similar position, whatever the craft.
I get so tired of the same old crap. Maybe it could have been avoided or not. Those photos are taken in a very short time frame, and we don't know the surrounding layout.
Apologies for calling you a hero, because your obviously not

Just enjoy the photography

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laceys lane said...
towny i don't see a problem there. guys just paddling over a wave.

the guy on the sb decided to take the risk and hold his line.


that cannot be the sup guy at fault as i see it. where is he suppose to go- wait for the sb er to clean him up if he stuffs up the barrel- no thanks.

now your pissing in my pocket. For someone who knows their way on the water you come up with that.

The wave did not just magically appear while the sup bloke was paddling back out,the guy on the shorty did not just magically appear and tuck in for a tube..

Paddle to the white stuff ya kook that was the solution. He would have seen that with more than enough time to take the soft option

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laceys lane said...
towny i don't see a problem there. guys just paddling over a wave.

the guy on the sb decided to take the risk and hold his line.


that cannot be the sup guy at fault as i see it. where is he suppose to go- wait for the sb er to clean him up if he stuffs up the barrel- no thanks.

now your pissing in my pocket. For someone who knows their way on the water you come up with that.

The wave did not just magically appear while the sup bloke was paddling back out,the guy on the shorty did not just magically appear and tuck in for a tube..

Paddle to the white stuff ya kook that was the solution. He would have seen that with more than enough time to take the soft option

you don't know the setup before hand and neither do i. the sup guy im guessing probably thought he was sweet but the wave shape could have changed. some waves believe it or not do actually well just stand up. even seen it happen up the north end of the goldie. to me that looks like a short sharp bank. probably half the waves don't even break over the bank- who knows

i agree sometimes you just have to cop it


as said before some times **** happens. regardless the sber took a punt and it paid off of him. every session has judgement calls that have to be made by all players out in the surf

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chrispy said..

laceys lane said...
towny i don't see a problem there. guys just paddling over a wave.

the guy on the sb decided to take the risk and hold his line.


that cannot be the sup guy at fault as i see it. where is he suppose to go- wait for the sb er to clean him up if he stuffs up the barrel- no thanks.

now your pissing in my pocket. For someone who knows their way on the water you come up with that.

The wave did not just magically appear while the sup bloke was paddling back out,the guy on the shorty did not just magically appear and tuck in for a tube..

Paddle to the white stuff ya kook that was the solution. He would have seen that with more than enough time to take the soft option

you don't know the setup before hand and neither do i. the sup guy im guessing probably thought he was sweet but the wave shape could have changed. some waves believe it or not do actually well just stand up. even seen it happen up the north end of the goldie. to me that looks like a short sharp bank. probably half the waves don't even break over the bank- who knows

i agree sometimes you just have to cop it


as said before some times **** happens. regardless the sber took a punt and it paid off of him. every session has judgement calls that have to be made by all players out in the surf

yes if it came to it you take the hit

No I have no idea of the set up......but i do know waves do not appear from nowhere..... In saying that I know the biggest stooge in the world,who is a mate lol,try to pull off a wave and he got sucked over the falls and ended up with the best pig dog barrel I have seen in a long time by pure luck yeeeeeoooooooooow.

But come on.....someone paddling,or catching or more importantly on a wave....take the whitewash

Yep old mate on the sup should have taken the whitewash on. As sup riders we get judged harshly by other surfers so give em nothing to winge about I reckon!

I am sick & tired of all the bozos that take a beeline to the peak after a ride, whatever the craft.

Stay well clear of the impact zone. Take the big tour out. I rekon that on beachbreaks that break everywhere it is no easy task, but it didnt seem the case there.

True, but we still really don't know the setup so its all opinion ATM.
And those without sin are really the only ones who can afford to be high and mighty. Thats it for me

I didn't say I was never a bozo myself... and in which case I am sick and tired of me, too :-)

On the setup, what is strange is that we do not see any wake behind the SUP, just some paddle strokes.

Great post ...... only positive there is he may have held the lip up a tad for you

Ps You forgot to sand his fins on the way through ...........



Having a look again at least you both stayed committed to the cause


And at the end of the day a missssss is as good as a mile ...........lets face it that would have been another boring barrel for you if the SUPer was not there

Good points all round on this, but at the end of the day too many people paddle for the shoulder for their own ease of paddling back out or safety without giving a damn about the person on the wave. Looks like a pretty big board to be out where there's a few people and blokes can get shacked on their backhand.

It's interesting - I think I agree with both sides of the argument here. I'm in Europe at the moment, but figure that this sequence was taken at Gunnamatta, or similar east coast (Mornington Peninsula) beachie. Whilst the banks are pretty defined, the sets very often break wide. This is probably a set wave, so the SUP could well have been paddling back out reasonably wide but got caught by a wide one. So I wouldn't be critical of the line he was taking.

Having said that, if there is a chance that he is going to possibly connect with the rider on the wave he should opt for the whitewater rather than the shoulder. However, in my short-boarding days I had much worse things done to me by other short-boarders than this. No damage done, so all good I reckon.

The only trouble is, SUP's are so much more visible in the surf, so everything we do seems to be emphasised.

Cool tube ride, too!

As we all know,it can be a fine judgment call, but on the odd occassion it just doesnt pan out as planned.
I think its a good idea to always just look around and see where everyone is, especially if your paddling for a wave.
The other day iwas paddling out and a wave started forming in front of me. I could have turned to get it but there was a short boarder to my right looking at the wave. I know he hadnt seen me cause he was all the time looking out to sea.So i kept a staight line and was just going to paddle over it as it still hadnt broken. He suddenly started paddling straight in front of me to get the best position on the wave. Do i go left hoping he will stop now and go for the wave, do I go right hoping he will keep paddling a little more and pass me, so i thought the best option was to keep my line straight. WRONG.He stopped and turned right in front of me, and as he did it was the first time he saw me. Collision. Remember this all happened in 3 or 4 seconds. I couldnt just disapear. He nicely told me I shouldnt have been there, but sometimes theres just no where to go.
So when your going for a wave it takes a second to look around you just to see where every one is. JMTCW

I notice there's no wake from the sup guy, so he's probably found himself in that position whether he likes it or not. Maybe he caught the last wave, turned around and had nowhere to go. I'd be annoyed to be the guy slotting in, but what can you do.

I wasn't going to reply to this, but I think it may stop the mud slinging!
I was out there when this shot was taken, and the bank was long and had a great bowl on the end where this guy is. The waves were all over the place, out wide, way inside, really consistent, then no sets at all.
That guy, yes was close to the dude in the barrel, but I had wave after wave through there, and ever wave had a different ending. No ones fault! Nothing went wrong! Everyone had fun out there, and I had one of the best surfs in age's!

In saying that, the sup guys stand out the dogs balls, and should do everything to blend in. There are more kooks on short boards out there than sups, but they don't get seen due to the fact they don't stand out like us. I sat wide, got the big sets, then sat out the back inside and waited my turn for the inside set waves,. Got plenty of great waves with no issues. This guy in the photo, didn't do the same. Maybe he deserves the mud slinging, but not for what you are throwing at him.

Great shots by Sean Carew!

Good discussion to keep all surfers thinking about the proper line back outside.... or how to get out of the way when a set comes through.

BUT...it's not a good discussion to lay anything on SUPs.... we have all spent a lifetime dodging people paddling out....

Surfers conundrum:
When you hang out the back.... waiting for the "big one".... you end up with the most obstacles inside....

Have a good look at the photo!
No Paddle splashes or Board Tracks; Old mates dead in the water not going anywhere fast - Deer in headlights!
Sups get the bad press cause they stand out like dog balls & AND DON'T UNDERSTAND (or care about) SURFING RULES!
Mamil Cyclists of the ocean.

Now there's a sweeping generalisation if ever I heard one.