Hi guys,

I had a customer request a way for him to mount a light on the front and back of his board to aid his winter evening training sessions.

He wanted to be seen as he paddles at night on an inland lake and requested a flashing red tail light and a light for the front both to be seen and to see a little further in front of his board.

Here are some of the solutions I came up with, using the 40mm soft pad eye handle mount and few different types of lights:





The two torches are water proof LED lights and are held on with a cable tie tray and a cable tie.



The cable tie tray is bolted down with the existing screw.



A water resistant LED bike headlight



A bike tail light with flashing ability.



The round vertical tube is bolted in with the existing screw.

When not being used both options can be removed leaving only the 40mm soft pad eye handle mount.

May I ask what is/where do you buy the 40mm soft pad eye handle mount? Is it attached by 3m or something?

I build the soft pad eyes. www.stic-it.com

There are a range of carbon products i build that are suitable for SUP's etc.

The soft pad eyes can be stuck with a range of glues from 5min epoxy, structural epoxies, sealants and the list goes on.

When stuck with 5 min epoxy a 40mm disc is capable of holding in excess of 100kg.

Cheers

i suggest you change it to suit the maritime lighting rules ............ ie...... port [red], starboard [green] and stern [white] lights.

other wise you may cause a collision !

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SandS said..


i suggest you change it to suit the maritime lighting rules ............ ie...... port [red], starboard [green] and stern [white] lights.

other wise you may cause a collision !

Where the guy intends to paddle is a semi closed in land rowing lake, so the chance of a power boat getting around at night are slim to none. Its the same place as the SUPfest was held here in Adelaide.

I have suggested this to him and these solutions can easily be modified to suit.

They look sweet! Perfect for what I want! Well done. I'll order two please

Why not just use a head torch? You can get waterproof ones and flashing ones and they're cheap.

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Gorgo said..

Why not just use a head torch? You can get waterproof ones and flashing ones and they're cheap.

The guy said that he had tried a head torch at one time and it drove him nuts with the light shining off his paddle shaft and handle every time he swapped hands.

Hi, below are some pics of my set up for stand up paddling before sunrise and after sunset, which I do regularly (due to family commitments-kids)

This is the same lighting setup as when I paddled outriggers, and is the same as used by the Rowing club that I see in the mornings.

An Extract from NSW Transport Maritime Boating Hand Book reads:
Rowing/Paddling vessels - ...Craft that are more than 4 metres [~13ft] long should exhibit two all-round lights, either continuous or a combination of continuous and flashing white lights, positioned at either end...







Lights are tektite lights.

I also wear a type 2 PFD and leg leash.
and have basic knowledge of give way rules on the water
-firstly being aware of and staying well clear of all other vessels and remembering, if in doubt near other vessels,
ALWAYS KEEP TO THE RIGHT

I use 2 little clip on lights that clip to my t shirt collar, one front and one back. Around $20 for 2 from Kathmandu - more about boats seeing me than me seeing where I am going and they work well for that purpose.They can be used flashing or fixed

Nice.. I like the ''The round vertical tube is bolted in with the existing screw.''

Bicycle seat post and handle bar lights would fit that.

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Ricey1 said..

I use 2 little clip on lights that clip to my t shirt collar, one front and one back. Around $20 for 2 from Kathmandu - more about boats seeing me than me seeing where I am going and they work well for that purpose.They can be used flashing or fixed

I know these lights Ricey!
In this case the rider was particularly after some illumination forward of the board, hence the need to mount a brighter light of some kind.

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DavidJohn said..

Nice.. I like the ''The round vertical tube is bolted in with the existing screw.''

Bicycle seat post and handle bar lights would fit that.

You got it DJ, The final 2 pictures are both bike lights, and are both surprisingly bright. The Square one is called a "knog blinder" and it certainly does deliver what its name suggests!

[Re:Tektite Lights]
i really liked your lighting setup.
Any issue with the suction device ?
Great post.
E

Thanks for the feedback, hope this helps.

I started using the tektite lights in 2009 on my OC1 when training with an outrigger canoe club with 5.30am starts.
Previous to using Tektite lights, we had been pulled up by Maritime/Water police on Sydney Harbour for having incorrect lights (Only having lights on the person) - these did not meet the requirement of being " all-round lights" and also were not at the "ends" of the OC1s.

I have never had the suction mount release during a session. The light is held tightly in the socket of the suction mount, but I do secure the light body to the board as show in the photos... so light body is not lost over board when knocked out of the suction mount with a paddle.

Also, if considering using rechargeable AA batteries, check the batteries are not too big (diameter) as I have had some get stuck in the light. I only use non rechargeable batteries - supplier says 50+ hours on set of batteries.

On the OC1, I found the lights affected my night vision by being too bright in my face, SUP not a problem for me as eye line is high up.
3.1(d) of the relevant code (see below link) does allow for masking of the light so it does not interfere with you.

www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html

Found some other lights at a camping shop today which I think will keep a few people happy! They are a great light that has a multi function set-up, LED torch, 360 degree glow stick style illumination and a strobe. The smaller of the two lights below also contains a whistle! Weather resistant and quite cheap as well!












The larger light fits into the tube that I made previously, but I will need to make some tube to fit the smaller light.

Should make a good stern light!

The international rules for preventing collisions at sea regarding a vessel under 'oars' (Rule 25 (d) (ii)) states that:

A vessel under oars may exhibit the lights prescribed in this rule for sailing vessels, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision.

The rules are different than that of cars on the road. A red 'tail light' sends a wrong message to other boats as to your heading (direction) and the size and type of 'vessel' you actually are.

Do yourself a favour and buy at least one white light that can emit its light over 360 degrees and with a bit of luck you won't get yourself killed or injured.

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magillamelb said..

The international rules for preventing collisions at sea regarding a vessel under 'oars' (Rule 25 (d) (ii)) states that:

A vessel under oars may exhibit the lights prescribed in this rule for sailing vessels, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision.

The rules are different than that of cars on the road. A red 'tail light' sends a wrong message to other boats as to your heading (direction) and the size and type of 'vessel' you actually are.

Do yourself a favour and buy at least one white light that can emit its light over 360 degrees and with a bit of luck you won't get yourself killed or injured.

Being a sailor and a boatbuilder Im aware of the rules navigation lights and can understand the confusion that could come from incorrect lights being displayed. Both my self and the client discussed a formal addressing of the "rules of the road" when it comes to correct navigation lights, but as the inland lake he intends to paddle is 100% power boat free zone we decided to stay in keeping with the lighting solution used by the rowers and kayakers of the state rowing centre which in habits the same lake.

Im in no way suggesting that this lighting solution should be adopted for any other locations, but I'm mearely trying to show what can be done with the versatile mounting system I have created. The system I have created can be adopted to display the correct lighting display for any countries, states etc.

Just to repeat and Clarify:

Extract from:
www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html

Code of Conduct (16 July 2013)

3. HIGHER STANDARD OF LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS FOR ROWING/SCULLING/PADDLE CRAFT OVER FOUR METRES IN LENGTH

3.1 Despite the minimal lighting requirements set out in Rule 25 of the International Regulations For Preventing Collisions At Sea
in relation to vessels under oars Roads and Maritime Services is of the view that for safety reasons any such vessels that are greater than
4 metres in length should, in restricted visibility and between sunset and sunrise, exhibit;
(a)
Two all-round white LED lights, one attached to the vessel at or near the forward end, and one attached to the vessel at or near the aft end.
The lights can be either two continuous white lights, 2 flashing white lights or a combination of the two.
(b)
]A continuous white LED light is considered acceptable if it is visible in clear conditions from a distance of 1 kilometre.
(c)
A flashing white LED light is considered acceptable if it flashes at least once per second and is visible in clear conditions from a distance of 1 kilometre.
(d)
Notwithstanding 3.1(a), it is considered acceptable for a light to be masked so as not to interfere with the vision of the vessel's occupants,
provided at least one light is visible from any direction.

4.1
Roads and Maritime Services notes that although there is no specific legislative provision requiring rowers
and paddlers to display the lights specified in Clause 3.1 above failure to comply with this Code may be viewed
by the Courts as evidence of poor seamanship or negligence.

For NSW (and probably similar for other states - would be interesting if differing for each state)

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Pokalde said..

Just to repeat and Clarify:

Extract from:
www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html

Code of Conduct (16 July 2013)

3. HIGHER STANDARD OF LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS FOR ROWING/SCULLING/PADDLE CRAFT OVER FOUR METRES IN LENGTH

3.1 Despite the minimal lighting requirements set out in Rule 25 of the International Regulations For Preventing Collisions At Sea
in relation to vessels under oars Roads and Maritime Services is of the view that for safety reasons any such vessels that are greater than
4 metres in length should, in restricted visibility and between sunset and sunrise, exhibit;
(a)
Two all-round white LED lights, one attached to the vessel at or near the forward end, and one attached to the vessel at or near the aft end.
The lights can be either two continuous white lights, 2 flashing white lights or a combination of the two.
(b)
]A continuous white LED light is considered acceptable if it is visible in clear conditions from a distance of 1 kilometre.
(c)
A flashing white LED light is considered acceptable if it flashes at least once per second and is visible in clear conditions from a distance of 1 kilometre.
(d)
Notwithstanding 3.1(a), it is considered acceptable for a light to be masked so as not to interfere with the vision of the vessel's occupants,
provided at least one light is visible from any direction.

4.1
Roads and Maritime Services notes that although there is no specific legislative provision requiring rowers
and paddlers to display the lights specified in Clause 3.1 above failure to comply with this Code may be viewed
by the Courts as evidence of poor seamanship or negligence.

For NSW (and probably similar for other states - would be interesting if differing for each state)

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Sticit said..

magillamelb said..

The international rules for preventing collisions at sea regarding a vessel under 'oars' (Rule 25 (d) (ii)) states that:

A vessel under oars may exhibit the lights prescribed in this rule for sailing vessels, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision.

The rules are different than that of cars on the road. A red 'tail light' sends a wrong message to other boats as to your heading (direction) and the size and type of 'vessel' you actually are.

Do yourself a favour and buy at least one white light that can emit its light over 360 degrees and with a bit of luck you won't get yourself killed or injured.

Being a sailor and a boatbuilder Im aware of the rules navigation lights and can understand the confusion that could come from incorrect lights being displayed. Both my self and the client discussed a formal addressing of the "rules of the road" when it comes to correct navigation lights, but as the inland lake he intends to paddle is 100% power boat free zone we decided to stay in keeping with the lighting solution used by the rowers and kayakers of the state rowing centre which in habits the same lake.

Im in no way suggesting that this lighting solution should be adopted for any other locations, but I'm mearely trying to show what can be done with the versatile mounting system I have created. The system I have created can be adopted to display the correct lighting display for any countries, states etc.

If there are any liability issues between other rowers and kayakers, the rule of law more likely than not will fall with the vessel that has the correct navigation lighting, not the one that has the more popular local alternative.

One or two of these does the trick... $ 15 each

www.anacondastores.com/camping-hiking/lighting-electronics

Victoria
-Display a white light when operating at night so other vessels can see you. (*1)

Queensland
-Signalling device for example a torch, or fluorescent light, or lantern or cyalume stick. Required when operating between sunset and sunrise. (*2)
Passive craft must display a flashing white all-round light visible for two nautical miles. (*3)

South Australia
-waterproof buoyant torch (sunset to sunrise) (*4)
-Small rowing and sailing boats are the only vessels that don't need navigation lights when operating at night, but operators of these vessels must instead carry a torch or lantern showing a white light and show it in sufficient time to prevent a collision. (*5)

Western Australia
-During the hours of sunset and sunrise, paddle craft operating on navigable waters must carry a torch or lantern capable of showing white light. This item must be ready for use and shall be shown in sufficient time to prevent a collision.
It is recommended that an all-round white light is displayed at all times when operating during the hours of sunset and sunrise on navigable waters. (*6)

Tasmania
...white light or white strobe is used which is visible at 360 degrees and is turned on at all times whilst paddling in darkness or poor visibility. (*7)

Interstate marine authorities
New South Wales NSW Maritime Authority (02) 9563 8557
Victoria Marine Safety Victoria (03) 9655 3399
Queensland Maritime Safety Queensland (07) 3120 7462
South Australia Marine Safety 1300 360 067
Tasmania Marine and Safety Tasmania (03) 6233 8911
Western Australia Department of Transport (08) 9216 8999

(*1) www.transportsafety.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/45250/TSV-Paddle-Safe-Paddle-Smart-brochure.pdf
(*2) www.msq.qld.gov.au/~/media/msqinternet/msqfiles/home/safety/safety%20equipment%20recreational%20ships/rec_safety_equipment.pdf
(*3) media.wix.com/ugd/49cf28_2a929c45be011ccb10c12b806a5cd5d4.pdf
(*4) www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/6196/kayak-and-canoe-safety-handbook.pdf
(*5)www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/boating-and-marine/boat-and-marine-safety/international-boating-rules/navigation-lights
(*6) www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/paddle-safe.asp
(*7) www.mast.tas.gov.au/domino%5Cmast%5Cmastweb.nsf/v-lu-all/Recreational+Boating~Recreational+Boating+News+and+Media+Releases~Notice+to+Kayak+and+Canoe+Operators?OpenDocument