Let's hope Naish bring back the big Jav.

love your work, dj.

Do you have a fixed fin on this board DJ ?

Proving that size really does count.

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flowmaster said...
Do you have a fixed fin on this board DJ ?

No fixed fin.. I've just taken both steering arms off so the rudder stays in the neutral position..

Think the competition has well & truly beaten Naish in the current DW board options.

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Maxeeboy said...
Think the competition has well & truly beaten Naish in the current DW board options.

Every time I see sneak pics of the new V3 SIC Bullet I think.. Jeez.. That looks just like the old 17' Jav.. Very similar nose/rocker and shape..

So show us

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DavidJohn said..

Maxeeboy said...
Think the competition has well & truly beaten Naish in the current DW board options.

Every time I see sneak pics of the new V3 SIC Bullet I think.. Jeez.. That looks just like the old 17' Jav.. Very similar nose/rocker and shape..

What I tried to do first.
Show us the sneak pics

Looks like a SIC to me
V3 17.4

Not much nose volume hhmmmm!!!

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PTWoody said..
Proving that size really does count.

Thats a Bizarre QUOTE coming from you PTWoody "too Funny." You've been against unlimited board for like ever. The only unlimited board you've ever talked up is that Starboard 17'6'' flatware board.

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hilly said..
Not much nose volume hhmmmm!!!

G'day hilly that nose type is for piercing through the swells in front so you don't loose any speed "slow down" you just go faster I seen Dave Kalama on a board similar to that last year on Maliko, the board looked insane. I was going to get Mark Raaphorst to shape me a custom one for this years Maliko run but the Aussie Dollar killed that idea, spewing.
I'll be on Maliko next week can't wait already.

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Nozza said..
So show us

I've probably poked a hornets nest by saying that.. .. This is what I meant..

This pic shows the old Bullet on the left and I'm guessing the new one on the right..



This JR custom V3 is very close to the old Naish Glide/Jav.. IMO.



You can see how close the new SIC shape is to the old Naish..

Remember when Dave Kalama helped design this Naish board all the SIC boards were persian slippers..

so Mark talked to Dave, ....awesome

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DavidJohn said...

Nozza said..
So show us

I've probably poked a hornets nest by saying that.. .. This is what I meant..

This pic shows the old Bullet on the left and I'm guessing the new one on the right..



This JR custom V3 is very close to the old Naish Glide/Jav.. IMO.



You can see how close the new SIC shape is to the old Naish..

Remember when Dave Kalama helped design this Naish board all the SIC boards were persian slippers..

I'm pretty sure that's Andrea Moller on an F16 and Livio Menalau on a production V1 Bullet.(the first pic).
Where it gets a bit confusing is the whole V1, V2, V3 etc.
The V1 Bullet(which the production 17'4" that we get here is) is a fantastic shape that has a lot of nose rocker and is just under 27" wide.
The V2 17'4" (only available from SIC Maui) has flatter rocker than the V1 and is 28" wide; it's a board for bigger guys and smaller swells.
The new V3 17'4"(again only available from SIC Maui) has as Downwinder said, a more piercing nose, a rocker in between the V1 & V2 and is the narrowest of all at around 26" wide.
I've heard very good things about them so far. Can't wait to try one in a few weeks!!!! :) :) :)

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Kieranr said..I'm pretty sure that's Andrea Moller on an F16 and Livio Menalau on a production V1 Bullet.(the first pic).
Where it gets a bit confusing is the whole V1, V2, V3 etc.
The V1 Bullet(which the production 17'4" that we get here is) is a fantastic shape that has a lot of nose rocker and is just under 27" wide.
The V2 17'4" (only available from SIC Maui) has flatter rocker than the V1 and is 28" wide; it's a board for bigger guys and smaller swells.
The new V3 17'4"(again only available from SIC Maui) has as Downwinder said, a more piercing nose, a rocker in between the V1 & V2 and is the narrowest of all at around 26" wide.
I've heard very good things about them so far. Can't wait to try one in a few weeks!!!! :) :) :)

G'day Kieran you took the words right out of my mouth. See ya on Maui

love my old 17 foot glide, not overly great for the flatwater but love it in the downwind,took the rudder out and put a fin box in also which i know a few people have done

Jarryd

This one should start to glide on hawaian waters next week as well, just need to clear customs and put the rudder on.... :)

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Al Hunter said...
This one should start to glide on hawaian waters next week as well, just need to clear customs and put the rudder on.... :)

Tell us more this looks awesome!

This is the newer and last version of the board travis used at Olukai this year.
If all good and in one piece when it arrives, it should be on the Molokai starting line this year as well as the previous unlimited races leading to molokai

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DavidJohn said..
Let's hope Naish bring back the big Jav.

Why stop at 17 ...lets go all the way ....20 foot .. Nice vid ..long board ..

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Al Hunter said...
This one should start to glide on hawaian waters next week as well, just need to clear customs and put the rudder on.... :)

That looks awesome.. Are they production? What's the dimensions?

I'm guessing Heath will be using one of those for this years M2O..

That is No1 of what hopefully will be production (depending on demand), but it has been made through production process, not just to be a one off prototype.
Heath won't be paddling it at M2O as there is only one in hawaii for the moment

Thanks.. So it's not a Dale Chapman shape?

Haha come on DJ, look on the right of the pic, you can see the top of the D and the C, you can even almost see the lenght of the board :)

Sorry.. Couldn't see that because I'm viewing it on my phone..

Disclaimer -- no technical knowledge in board design, conclusions / observations are mine only based on personal experience.
Not an expert paddler, but I do a lot of it - every morning it is not too foul on Port Phillip.
Long background dabbling in trying to understand yacht / skiff design.
Surveyor - I measure things for a living.
Using surveying software to plot boards - not ideal.
I guess that's disclaimers.

Spent some time measuring the boards I have, F16, 17'4" Bullet, and 17' Naish.
Too much time on my hands, included my other 2 boards, SIC 12'6" Bullet and SIC 14' V2
Plan view first, this is total width of board, not rail width, but difference between rails and edge of board are visually similar across all boards.
Generally measured on my own, with a t square on one side of the board, me sighting the other side, plus or minus 5mm at best.
Top plot (not as clear as it could be) shows the back of the boards lines up.
Stand out observations - plan view of the back end of all boards unbelievably similar.
Minor differences in pin tail or cut off pin. No square ends dragging a hole in the water behind them.
17'4" Bullet blue
Naish 17 Orange - sorry, yellow plots crappy.
F16 Green
V2 black.
!2'6 Bullet pale blue.

Rough conclusion, SIC put the same back on the board, just finish it sooner. Happy to be contradicted.
12'6 widest of all, which makes sense, but not hugely so.
Stand out strange thing - Naish 17 and F16 remarkably similar in plan shape until the F16 finishes sooner. Needle nose not as radical as it appears.

Lower plot I made the assumption the handle is the balance point of the board, so moved the boards and lined up the handles.
Rough conclusion, the bit of the board you are standing on is very similar in plan shape across all boards



Second plot shows rocker.
This was measured by a level laser shone along the board.
Magillamelb measured the F16 at 500 mm spaces, I did the rest at 300 mm spaces.



Illogically, plots start at the bottom.
This shows the straight bit under the standing area levelled, backs of the boards lined up.
With the middle of the boards level, F16 to 17’4” Bullet within 10mm of nose rocker, Naish 80mm less
.Tail rocker more significant difference, Naish 80mm, Bullet 90mm, F16 130mm.
Middle plot
Moved the boards to line up the handles. standing area still level.
12’6” Bullet very close to F16
F16 and 17’4” Bullet even closer than before
Naish similar to Bullet until the front.

All 4 SIC boards progression on a theme.

Top plot
Rotated about the handle so the back of the board is level with the handle – mimic when stepped back surfing
This is a bit approximate.
12’6” Bullet mimics F16
V2 mimics 17’4” Bullet
Naish less rockered than all of them.

All 3 big boards are big rockered downwind boards.
My uninformed conclusions
Differences between the 3 boards not as radical as may appear.
Stuff all between F16 and 17'4" Bullet - Bullet uses more bow volume to do the same thing as bigger bow rocker on the f16.
Naish has less rocker, but how much is enough - nose going under water not the tragedy it is on the bigger volume boards.
Apparent needle nose of Naish not that different from F16


Images came out a bit crappy.
If you are interested, PM me and I can email beter pdf copies.
Ultimate conclusion, every board there is pleasant to paddle.
The smaller SIC boards look like bits chopped from the bigger boards.
12'6' sic best fills the all options 1 board quiver.
But I have the 17'4" Bullet on the roof for tomorrow.

This needs to go into production

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AndyR said...
This needs to go into production

I agree.. .. even if just a special order thing.

From memory Kai's is about 23/24 wide though isn't it? I'd want 26/27 wide