Select to expand quoteSUPportive said..DARTH said..cantSUPenough said..
Whatever you're on you have to know your limitations, you have to understand the risks, and you have to know the "rules". I avoid crowds because I constantly see the rules being broken, by everyone; including by the guys who think they own that break. But if you are on a big SUP, longboard, ski, or whatever, if you can't control it don't go out there.
But where's the education? Surfers on SUPs understand what's going on and are rarely the offenders. Everyone else should be educated about the rules and the risks.
SUP + crowds = NO SUPs 
I dont give a sh!t about your ability 
everyone makes mistakes falls off even Laird 
So, all the longboarders who can't control their craft and throw their board away in 2' - 3' are ok, but if you have a paddle and perhaps have ability you're saying don't come out. Doesn't make sense.
Also there are so many shortboarders and now finless riders who persist in leashless freedom making an equally crowded lineup unsafe!
Just saying....
SUP + crowds = NO SUPs
I dont give a sh!t about your ability everyone makes mistakes falls off even Laird
Same goes for leggies if you don't have one f%$k off
Longboarders don't carry paddles last time I looked.
Just saying.....
Select to expand quoteTang said..SUPportive said..DARTH said..
SUP + crowds = NO SUPs
I dont give a sh!t about your ability everyone makes mistakes falls off even Laird
So, all the longboarders who can't control their craft and throw their board away in 2' - 3' are ok, but if you have a paddle and perhaps have ability you're saying don't come out. Doesn't make sense.
Also there are so many shortboarders and now finless riders who persist in leashless freedom making an equally crowded lineup unsafe!
Just saying....
Where I surf (sup) most of the time, there is a smorgasbord of craft. There are a handful of good surfers, a lot of intermediate people and often hordes of beginners. The lion's share of accidents are caused by beginners on shortboards, minimals and mals, with only a few the result of SUPs. The most common reason seems to be they can;t control their craft when they are on their feet, let alone paddling back out and/or duck diving. By Darth's definition, all those craft don;t belong in crowded lineups, either. The finless bloke rips, so it looks like he might have it to himself, Darth?
Do you only SUP? Or can you use other craft?
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..Tang said..SUPportive said..DARTH said..
SUP + crowds = NO SUPs
I dont give a sh!t about your ability everyone makes mistakes falls off even Laird
So, all the longboarders who can't control their craft and throw their board away in 2' - 3' are ok, but if you have a paddle and perhaps have ability you're saying don't come out. Doesn't make sense.
Also there are so many shortboarders and now finless riders who persist in leashless freedom making an equally crowded lineup unsafe!
Just saying....
Where I surf (sup) most of the time, there is a smorgasbord of craft. There are a handful of good surfers, a lot of intermediate people and often hordes of beginners. The lion's share of accidents are caused by beginners on shortboards, minimals and mals, with only a few the result of SUPs. The most common reason seems to be they can;t control their craft when they are on their feet, let alone paddling back out and/or duck diving. By Darth's definition, all those craft don;t belong in crowded lineups, either. The finless bloke rips, so it looks like he might have it to himself, Darth?
Do you only SUP? Or can you use other craft?
Do you mean like, me tinnie?
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..Tang said..SUPportive said..DARTH said..
SUP + crowds = NO SUPs
I dont give a sh!t about your ability everyone makes mistakes falls off even Laird
So, all the longboarders who can't control their craft and throw their board away in 2' - 3' are ok, but if you have a paddle and perhaps have ability you're saying don't come out. Doesn't make sense.
Also there are so many shortboarders and now finless riders who persist in leashless freedom making an equally crowded lineup unsafe!
Just saying....
Where I surf (sup) most of the time, there is a smorgasbord of craft. There are a handful of good surfers, a lot of intermediate people and often hordes of beginners. The lion's share of accidents are caused by beginners on shortboards, minimals and mals, with only a few the result of SUPs. The most common reason seems to be they can;t control their craft when they are on their feet, let alone paddling back out and/or duck diving. By Darth's definition, all those craft don;t belong in crowded lineups, either. The finless bloke rips, so it looks like he might have it to himself, Darth?
Do you only SUP? Or can you use other craft?
I ride a SUP, a short board and once in a blue moon a sailboard. I don't ride the SUP in crowds. Darth would you paddle behind a Mal with a set feathering out the back?
Select to expand quoteSRrat said..DARTH said..Tang said..SUPportive said..DARTH said..
SUP + crowds = NO SUPs
I dont give a sh!t about your ability everyone makes mistakes falls off even Laird
So, all the longboarders who can't control their craft and throw their board away in 2' - 3' are ok, but if you have a paddle and perhaps have ability you're saying don't come out. Doesn't make sense.
Also there are so many shortboarders and now finless riders who persist in leashless freedom making an equally crowded lineup unsafe!
Just saying....
Where I surf (sup) most of the time, there is a smorgasbord of craft. There are a handful of good surfers, a lot of intermediate people and often hordes of beginners. The lion's share of accidents are caused by beginners on shortboards, minimals and mals, with only a few the result of SUPs. The most common reason seems to be they can;t control their craft when they are on their feet, let alone paddling back out and/or duck diving. By Darth's definition, all those craft don;t belong in crowded lineups, either. The finless bloke rips, so it looks like he might have it to himself, Darth?
Do you only SUP? Or can you use other craft?
I ride a SUP, a short board and once in a blue moon a sailboard. I don't ride the SUP in crowds. Darth would you paddle behind a Mal with a set feathering out the back?
I generally don't surf with mals in decent surf.
Select to expand quotebobajob said..DARTH said..Tang said..SUPportive said..DARTH said..
SUP + crowds = NO SUPs
I dont give a sh!t about your ability everyone makes mistakes falls off even Laird
So, all the longboarders who can't control their craft and throw their board away in 2' - 3' are ok, but if you have a paddle and perhaps have ability you're saying don't come out. Doesn't make sense.
Also there are so many shortboarders and now finless riders who persist in leashless freedom making an equally crowded lineup unsafe!
Just saying....
Where I surf (sup) most of the time, there is a smorgasbord of craft. There are a handful of good surfers, a lot of intermediate people and often hordes of beginners. The lion's share of accidents are caused by beginners on shortboards, minimals and mals, with only a few the result of SUPs. The most common reason seems to be they can;t control their craft when they are on their feet, let alone paddling back out and/or duck diving. By Darth's definition, all those craft don;t belong in crowded lineups, either. The finless bloke rips, so it looks like he might have it to himself, Darth?
Do you only SUP? Or can you use other craft?
Do you mean like, me tinnie?
Ok then would you drive that through a crowded line up? I bet not. Infact most people wouldn't. So what's the difference?
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..SRrat said..DARTH said..Tang said..SUPportive said..DARTH said..
SUP + crowds = NO SUPs
I dont give a sh!t about your ability everyone makes mistakes falls off even Laird
So, all the longboarders who can't control their craft and throw their board away in 2' - 3' are ok, but if you have a paddle and perhaps have ability you're saying don't come out. Doesn't make sense.
Also there are so many shortboarders and now finless riders who persist in leashless freedom making an equally crowded lineup unsafe!
Just saying....
Where I surf (sup) most of the time, there is a smorgasbord of craft. There are a handful of good surfers, a lot of intermediate people and often hordes of beginners. The lion's share of accidents are caused by beginners on shortboards, minimals and mals, with only a few the result of SUPs. The most common reason seems to be they can;t control their craft when they are on their feet, let alone paddling back out and/or duck diving. By Darth's definition, all those craft don;t belong in crowded lineups, either. The finless bloke rips, so it looks like he might have it to himself, Darth?
Do you only SUP? Or can you use other craft?
I ride a SUP, a short board and once in a blue moon a sailboard. I don't ride the SUP in crowds. Darth would you paddle behind a Mal with a set feathering out the back?
I generally don't surf with mals in decent surf.
Ok Darth what about the dude on the 8'6" gun, he's going to struggle to duck dive that. All higher volume boards can be a handful. I avoid crowds (one of the reasons I like riding a SUP)I am often 1 st in the water and as the line up fills up I move on. There are strategies and techniques that I use to minimize the risks to others but manoeuvring and asserting your place in a crowded lineup on a SUP ain't fun. Over the years I have been witness to a lot of stupid and dangerous acts by riders of all sorts of craft.
It really comes down to the individual, know your limitations and show respect.
Just saying......
I will always give a prone the wave because I know I am going to 30 more that sesh and I still believe all new sup should come with a simple do's and don't's of surf etiquette to a newbie a 4 ft wave doesn't look that big while standing on the board , it's only after the drop do they realise they have fcked up and then it's to late big boards on stretchy leggie snot a good combo
Select to expand quoteSRrat said..DARTH said..SRrat said..DARTH said..Tang said..SUPportive said..DARTH said..
SUP + crowds = NO SUPs
I dont give a sh!t about your ability everyone makes mistakes falls off even Laird
So, all the longboarders who can't control their craft and throw their board away in 2' - 3' are ok, but if you have a paddle and perhaps have ability you're saying don't come out. Doesn't make sense.
Also there are so many shortboarders and now finless riders who persist in leashless freedom making an equally crowded lineup unsafe!
Just saying....
Where I surf (sup) most of the time, there is a smorgasbord of craft. There are a handful of good surfers, a lot of intermediate people and often hordes of beginners. The lion's share of accidents are caused by beginners on shortboards, minimals and mals, with only a few the result of SUPs. The most common reason seems to be they can;t control their craft when they are on their feet, let alone paddling back out and/or duck diving. By Darth's definition, all those craft don;t belong in crowded lineups, either. The finless bloke rips, so it looks like he might have it to himself, Darth?
Do you only SUP? Or can you use other craft?
I ride a SUP, a short board and once in a blue moon a sailboard. I don't ride the SUP in crowds. Darth would you paddle behind a Mal with a set feathering out the back?
I generally don't surf with mals in decent surf.
Ok Darth what about the dude on the 8'6" gun, he's going to struggle to duck dive that. All higher volume boards can be a handful. I avoid crowds (one of the reasons I like riding a SUP)I am often 1 st in the water and as the line up fills up I move on. There are strategies and techniques that I use to minimize the risks to others but manoeuvring and asserting your place in a crowded lineup on a SUP ain't fun. Over the years I have been witness to a lot of stupid and dangerous acts by riders of all sorts of craft.
It really comes down to the individual, know your limitations and show respect.
Just saying......
Totally agree, if wasn't SUPPers that are doing supid sh!t in the surf, I wouldn't be commenting in this thread.
Just saying.......
Darths pretty right I've been suppin since 06 I'm pretty experienced I've never felt comfy in a crowd I live in a small town where I know most surfers and they trust me.. but I've seen some absurd behavior in crowded line ups it's not that smart, too much can go wrong with a Sup
I'm also with Darth on this one - even when compared to blokes on big gun surfboards or Mals, the one big difference is that they have their hands on the board and therefore a much higher chance of controlling it in a bad situation.
I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying. Not being able to duck dive cleanly is the biggest downside to riding a SUP. Again know your limitations and show respect to others in the line up. I feel a heavy weight of responsibility when riding a SUP, I am loathe to trust a leg rope and never bail in front of anyone. I reckon the relative ease of SUP riding might be at the root of this. Newbies that haven't had to pay the dues that comes with learning to surf on a shortboard are potentially missing out on a whole lot of surf education. Throw in a bit of ego and maybe some arrogance could be a nasty mix. 
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..cantSUPenough said..
Very good point.
When it comes to choosing people in surf magazines to promote surf culture merchandise, you would choose a short-board ripper every time. The exposure of their sport, and their abilities can't be compared to all but maybe a few SUPers (who you mentioned). When SUP surfers can do desirable things that short-boarders can't, then maybe our sport will achieve greater exposure.
The trouble is that in the surf community, on the spectrum from admired/respected to chastised/hated, we are well and truly at the wrong end. If you behave in the line-up, and surf reasonably well, then you may be tolerated, but then some kook will paddle out and wreck everything...
How about SUPs not going out into crowds at all, really I don't care how good you are. 80-90% of people who SUP cannot control their craft in crowds but yet I see it all the time.
how about any surfer on any craft, whose board is bigger than mine, be banned from lineups!
i had words with a serious wave hog on a huge log of a long board--i ducked a wave and let go of my board, totally aware that there was no one anywhere near me--guy said "youve got to control that thing"--then he proceeds to go over the falls and actually get his looong leash tangled with that of a shortboarder--i laughed in his face when he got back to the lineup
it is key to be in control of whatever board you ride, and to be aware of anyone around you
kooks ride all craft
Select to expand quoteboundeast said..DARTH said..cantSUPenough said..
Very good point.
When it comes to choosing people in surf magazines to promote surf culture merchandise, you would choose a short-board ripper every time. The exposure of their sport, and their abilities can't be compared to all but maybe a few SUPers (who you mentioned). When SUP surfers can do desirable things that short-boarders can't, then maybe our sport will achieve greater exposure.
The trouble is that in the surf community, on the spectrum from admired/respected to chastised/hated, we are well and truly at the wrong end. If you behave in the line-up, and surf reasonably well, then you may be tolerated, but then some kook will paddle out and wreck everything...
How about SUPs not going out into crowds at all, really I don't care how good you are. 80-90% of people who SUP cannot control their craft in crowds but yet I see it all the time.
how about any surfer on any craft, whose board is bigger than mine, be banned from lineups!
i had words with a serious wave hog on a huge log of a long board--i ducked a wave and let go of my board, totally aware that there was no one anywhere near me--guy said "youve got to control that thing"--then he proceeds to go over the falls and actually get his looong leash tangled with that of a shortboarder--i laughed in his face when he got back to the lineup
it is key to be in control of whatever board you ride, and to be aware of anyone around you
kooks ride all craft
I dont have a problem with longboards, unless they are leashless. I rarely surf wilh mals, so its not an issue.
I agree, anyone out of their depth is dangerous.
How about SUPs not going out into crowds at all, really I don't care how good you are. 80-90% of people who SUP cannot control their craft in crowds but yet I see it all the time.
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..boundeast said..DARTH said..cantSUPenough said..
Very good point.
When it comes to choosing people in surf magazines to promote surf culture merchandise, you would choose a short-board ripper every time. The exposure of their sport, and their abilities can't be compared to all but maybe a few SUPers (who you mentioned). When SUP surfers can do desirable things that short-boarders can't, then maybe our sport will achieve greater exposure.
The trouble is that in the surf community, on the spectrum from admired/respected to chastised/hated, we are well and truly at the wrong end. If you behave in the line-up, and surf reasonably well, then you may be tolerated, but then some kook will paddle out and wreck everything...
How about SUPs not going out into crowds at all, really I don't care how good you are. 80-90% of people who SUP cannot control their craft in crowds but yet I see it all the time.
how about any surfer on any craft, whose board is bigger than mine, be banned from lineups!
i had words with a serious wave hog on a huge log of a long board--i ducked a wave and let go of my board, totally aware that there was no one anywhere near me--guy said "youve got to control that thing"--then he proceeds to go over the falls and actually get his looong leash tangled with that of a shortboarder--i laughed in his face when he got back to the lineup
it is key to be in control of whatever board you ride, and to be aware of anyone around you
kooks ride all craft
I dont have a problem with longboards, unless they are leashless. I rarely surf wilh mals, so its not an issue.
I agree, anyone out of their depth is dangerous.
How about SUPs not going out into crowds at all, really I don't care how good you are. 80-90% of people who SUP cannot control their craft in crowds but yet I see it all the time.
Like you Darth I don't like 80-90 of the SUP not because they cant really control their craft but just because they are able to catch waves before me .
Honestly this is just for that purpose .
