just looking at a supracer photo of distance winners, danny's paddle is hugh


pfd bump bag style for the bop race-whats the point. if you get knocked out your not going to be pulling the rip cord to inflate.


just dumb to enforce pfds then allow bum bag style- waste of time

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laceys lane said..
just looking at a supracer photo of distance winners, danny's paddle is hugh


pfd bump bag style for the bop race-whats the point. if you get knocked out your not going to be pulling the rip cord to inflate.


just dumb to enforce pfds then allow bum bag style- waste of time

It's not to protect the paddlers.. It's to protect the organisers..

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laceys lane said..
just looking at a supracer photo of distance winners, danny's paddle is hugh


pfd bump bag style for the bop race-whats the point. if you get knocked out your not going to be pulling the rip cord to inflate.


just dumb to enforce pfds then allow bum bag style- waste of time

Apparently a bunch of them opened up mid race when the bags filled with water (as they are prone to do) so many competitors ended up dragging a big yellow plastic skirt around the course. You're totally right though, those things are for show, not for safety. Even if you're conscious when you hit the water, if conditions are so bad, you've lost your board and the waves are driving you under, I doubt very much that you'll be able to work out how to get the PFD on and inflated as you're drowning.

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There is a photo sequence on sup-racer showing how Connor cut back into Kai and ended up taking himself and Kai out......I'm not a big fan of rules but deliberately taking someone out because they're returning a favour from a previous race (Huntington) is bad form in my book. Perhaps there should be a gentleman rule that you have to try and keep your line to some extent and that deliberately forcing someone off the wave/causing a crash is not on.

Not sure what Connor was thinking, but if he expected that crashing into Kai would not possibly ruin his own race then something is amiss. Serious case of red mist.

As karma would have it Connor didn't recover as well from that as Kai did......

You've got your yellow tinted glasses on and I have my blue, but for the life of me, I can't see how you're managing to level the blame for this racing incident squarely at Connor's feet...

I dont follow racing as much as you guys

I dont ride either brands

I know Connor is not innocent by any means

But I have seen Kai fade someone in just about every race I have seen. Can he not ride a wave straight?

also watch Kai's hand carefully at the 5 second mark in PT's vid above, he clearly grabs Connor's side handle as he is falling. It looks VERY deliberate rather than just the act of falling...

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husq2100 said..
also watch Kai's hand carefully at the 5 second mark in PT's vid above, he clearly grabs Connor's side handle as he is falling. It looks VERY deliberate rather than just the act of falling...

your right- he should be disqualified

some action should be taken , we don't want that in our sport. They should fine them. That was Jayden on the right although the incident didn't look like it affected him , it could have. Poor form I rekon.

are there rules in any races with fair play or anything like that ??
Maybe its time there is..

I don't see an issue with kai if he kept his line on that angle from the start and it pushed connor wide. thats racing, happens in so many sports. to me its no diferent to a buoy turn you having the inside line and keep it wide to push the guy outside of you even wider. (it gets hectic on those turns all the time doesn't it??) Just like that photo with the board smashing into and between Jakes legs the other week, that pushed him off his board and could of easily disadvantged him. if it was fair play the guy behind jake would of stedied and made sure he didnt just smash into jake with no regard.

Unlucky to connor had the wider line. Got to deal with it, not turn sharp into the person inside him.. (would of he done it if it wasn't kai??)
Do see an issue with Kai grabbing his board on the way down in the video it clearly looks like "he's going down so hes making sure connor goes with him"
DQ both of them if the sport had a proper set of rules and vid footage that could be replayed within minutes of the race finishing..

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are there rules in any races with fair play or anything like that ??
Maybe its time there is..

I don't see an issue with kai if he kept his line on that angle from the start and it pushed connor wide. thats racing, happens in so many sports. to me its no diferent to a buoy turn you having the inside line and keep it wide to push the guy outside of you even wider. (it gets hectic on those turns all the time doesn't it??) Just like that photo with the board smashing into and between Jakes legs the other week, that pushed him off his board and could of easily disadvantged him. if it was fair play the guy behind jake would of stedied and made sure he didnt just smash into jake with no regard.

Unlucky to connor had the wider line. Got to deal with it, not turn sharp into the person inside him.. (would of he done it if it wasn't kai??)
Do see an issue with Kai grabbing his board on the way down in the video it clearly looks like "he's going down so hes making sure connor goes with him"
DQ both of them if the sport had a proper set of rules and vid footage that could be replayed within minutes of the race finishing..

your tripping

first he tries to run him off the wave, connor goes over the top to stay with the wave,kai falls off, but decides to dive at Connors board and actually grab it. that's not on at all.

if kai had just gone straight, follow the course there was no problem

and this has nothing to do with brand power.


touch or handling some one else's board in the water is rude and a show of aggression


both need to have a step back and race officials need to step up

to be honest there are some very selfish reckless paddlers around- even at the qld titles

IMO getting caught up in a bouy turn is a different thing. Of coarse everyone is trying to hug the bouy to get the shortest possible line. its always going to be tricky at the bouy and that IS part of racing.

Why did Kai need to take that line on the wave, Danny (or who ever it was inside them) was happy to go straight....

Conner did not need to do what he did either....

DQ both of them for dropping in on the bloke on the inside and forcing him to straighten out....hhaha

I think we're looking at 15 years of rivalry right there. They smile and say they are pals but...

As the sport matures, we will see marshals who are actually former top level racers themselves and can make snap judgements mid race based on video evidence. (Here's an idea Rainbow Sandals - get a damned video feed!!!)

An incident like this warrants a time penalty or maybe a stop-go penalty at the run leg. I'd suggest they both should have copped 10-20 seconds, or about the time their tactics would have cost each other if they'd been successful. To DQ anyone over something other than outright cheating is a bit stiff.

where are all the piccies and vid of the event?

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where are all the piccies and vid of the event?

Being glossed up and edited then auctioned off to the highest bidder, which probably wont happen and then will go to dvd for your purchasing pleasure in about 10 months

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PTWoody said..
I think we're looking at 15 years of rivalry right there. They smile and say they are pals but...

As the sport matures, we will see marshals who are actually former top level racers themselves and can make snap judgements mid race based on video evidence. (Here's an idea Rainbow Sandals - get a damned video feed!!!)

An incident like this warrants a time penalty or maybe a stop-go penalty at the run leg. I'd suggest they both should have copped 10-20 seconds, or about the time their tactics would have cost each other if they'd been successful. To DQ anyone over something other than outright cheating is a bit stiff.

and to think I said your opinion rules


no, grabbing at another's boards is a massive no no. ask any surfer. in a lineup, even someone pulling on another leg rope just about means its fighting time let lone holding someones board.

can you imagine someone grabbing usain bolt's arm in a race


you can't hold or grab some ones board period imo

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laceys lane said..

PTWoody said..
I think we're looking at 15 years of rivalry right there. They smile and say they are pals but...

As the sport matures, we will see marshals who are actually former top level racers themselves and can make snap judgements mid race based on video evidence. (Here's an idea Rainbow Sandals - get a damned video feed!!!)

An incident like this warrants a time penalty or maybe a stop-go penalty at the run leg. I'd suggest they both should have copped 10-20 seconds, or about the time their tactics would have cost each other if they'd been successful. To DQ anyone over something other than outright cheating is a bit stiff.

and to think I said your opinion rules


no, grabbing at another's boards is a massive no no. ask any surfer. in a lineup, even someone pulling on another leg rope just about means its fighting time let lone holding someones board.

can you imagine someone grabbing usain bolt's arm in a race


you can't hold or grab some ones board period imo

Under the circumstances, you're probably right. It's one thing to out-position another racer or force a mistake. But when you have fallen, to deliberately take your opponent out of the race too - well that's Michael Schumacher vs Damon Hill levels of skulduggery right there.

The point (some of) you are missing is that Connor faded Kai right off a wave at huntington 2 weeks prior (without Kai resorting to crashing into Connor). We can't see where the on land chute is so we can't see if they actually needed to go left or straight. but Kai is pretty much riding the wave the way its running + giving Connor back some of the love from Huntington.....does look like he is grabbing for Connors board when falling, I'd have done that too.

Spoke to a mate of mine who'd done clubbie prone paddling (in Oz as well) and he said it was done all the time so maybe it's just par for the cause.

I think your right LL
I am tripping the more I think about it.
Both in the wrong.. Put rules in place and next time both face the music from what ever there actions are..

Maybe now it's boiled over they will realise how stupid they look and just get back to the racing.

Next weeks turtle bay finals will be interesting

If it didn't affect any other paddlers what's it matter? They both lost time, they both didn't race a gentlmens game and paid the price

Husq said:-IMO getting caught up in a bouy turn is a different thing. Of coarse everyone is trying to hug the bouy to get the shortest possible line. its always going to be tricky at the bouy and that IS part of racing. Why did Kai need to take that line on the wave, Danny (or who ever it was inside them) was happy to go straight.... Conner did not need to do what he did either....

I agree husq definitely Kai's fault trying to fade Connor but it was Connor's defensive move that brought them both down. I really don't think Kai deliberately tried to grab Connors board he was probably going for his own or just stopping his face from hitting the board. Even if he didn't grab they were always both going down.

Leaving the rules out of it , it was just bad form by Kai. He tried to muscle out Connor and it didn't work . I'm sure heaps worse happens on the buoy turn.

The act of plonking a board on top of someone else,s board at a bouy should invoke a penalty. It just such a uncool thing to do and needs to be looked at too.

Jocking for position is part of it, but to lift your board up and plonk it on top of another is a form of cheating imo

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laceys lane said...
The act of plonking a board on top of someone else,s board at a bouy should invoke a penalty. It just such a uncool thing to do and needs to be looked at too.

Jocking for position is part of it, but to lift your board up and plonk it on top of another is a form of cheating imo

Agree

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laceys lane said..
The act of plonking a board on top of someone else,s board at a bouy should invoke a penalty. It just such a uncool thing to do and needs to be looked at too.

Jocking for position is part of it, but to lift your board up and plonk it on top of another is a form of cheating imo

I agree.. but isn't that exactly what Connor did to Kai on that wave..

As as for grabbing his handle.. I thought that's exactly what they're there for..

I think Kai and Connor were just having a friendly game of see who can knock the other guys GoPro off the nose of their board..

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DavidJohn said..

laceys lane said..
The act of plonking a board on top of someone else,s board at a bouy should invoke a penalty. It just such a uncool thing to do and needs to be looked at too.

Jocking for position is part of it, but to lift your board up and plonk it on top of another is a form of cheating imo

I agree.. but isn't that exactly what Connor did to Kai on that wave..

As as for grabbing his handle.. I thought that's exactly what they're there for..

I think Kai and Connor were just having a friendly game of see who can knock the other guys GoPro off the nose of their board..

hey dj I know that. but the plonking thing happened to me once and its all I could do not to smash my paddle into that board. my board was brand new.

I just wanted to bring it up too

So now Conner is the villain ? I call it a defensive move....Flame suit on Lace

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Piros said..
So now Conner is the villain ? I call it a defensive move....Flame suit on Lace

hah, no, plonking was just something that happens on bouy turns


I would call it that too rob.

One thing you have to give Kai and Connor credit for - if not for this incident, no-one would be talking about the race that was once the most important single event in the BOP calendar. Now, no-one seems to care. Has Battle of the Paddle jumped the shark?

I dunno what you're all getting so worked up about. Isn't this standard sup practice? Dropping in, colliding with other people?