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jenkz said...

Well this brings rule #10 into play.
Know your limitations.
All for sharing waves around and not upsetting anyone, but why do people persist in trying to catch mushy powerless waves on shortboards at this isolated spot.
Use the right board for the job.
And I agree that anyone not wearing a legrope should be chatted to when surfing around others.

How do you know what sort of board Porka rides, or what the conditions were like?

Are you suggesting that it is ok to snake people if they aren't riding what you consider to be the best board for the contidions?

Does that mean I can snake/drop in on any people riding SUPs in conditions that I think are better suited to a mal or shortboard?

(PS: the answer to the above is "no". Don't drop in. Don't snake. Simple.)

All for sharing waves around and not upsetting anyone, but why do people persist in trying to catch mushy powerless waves on shortboards at this isolated spot.

DL I think you have wound your prop up too tight.

If you are going to bother quoting people maybe you should read it first.
Where does that say snaking and dropping in is recommended.
I would have thought ( All for sharing and not upsetting anyone) is the complete opposite.

Jealousy's a curse

Yeah I see a few mal riders with no leash regulary.

tough day in the water boys aye !!!! hmmmm, the growing pains when two different surf crafts share the same space !! hey ??? Oh well thats life here in the wild wild west ,But i must ask the question Porka ? are you a mal rider having a mad cry ? or a sup rider wondering what the hells going on with out of control mal riders ?????

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tortise said...

tough day in the water boys aye !!!! hmmmm, the growing pains when two different surf crafts share the same space !! hey ??? Oh well thats life here in the wild wild west ,But i must ask the question Porka ? are you a mal rider having a mad cry ? or a sup rider wondering what the hells going on with out of control mal riders ?????

Neither.... I started out on a solar-powered replica of the Leeuwin but it got too sucky so I swapped down to my North Cott Surf Boat and budgie smugglers.

Nothing constructive coming from this thread. Here's the link for those skipping to the second page...

http://www.indosurf.com.au/ten.htm

Nothing constructive coming from this thread?
How about giving us a idea of why you put up the link in the first place. Obviously you have a gripe against sups for some reason, what happened?

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jenkz said...

Obviously you have a gripe against sups

Where exactly do you get that from? We wouldn't want to make ASSumptions now.

Everyone in the surf needs to know and respect the rules, and respect each other. Thats the only story here.

Not posted on any other forum is it?

I don't mind sharing with other surf craft BUT and this is a big BUT.

LEARN TO HOLD ONTO YOUR BOARD IN WHITE WATER.

I don't care if it is a 10ft SUP or a bodyboard there is always that chance that someone behind you and about to wear your pride and joy in the teeth. Why do peopel think that it is a good idea to ditch their board to get under white water. If you can't get your SUP out through the break in control then it is probably not the place for you to go out. Especially if there is already 30 longboards out on a tiny break.

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jenkz said...

Not posted on any other forum is it?

There is a reason for that..

I don't get all the confusion over Porka's post.

There exist SUP riders who continually snake the lineup due to their ability to take off on a wave a lot earlier than anyone else. I've encountered it plenty of times, and Porka obviously had an experience with this somewhere around Cottesloe. So he posts a link to a surf etiquette article, addressed to Cottesloe SUP riders.

Maybe these people come from a non-surfing background, or somehow just aren't aware of the concept of sharing. Either way, the first rule is pretty clear (and commonsense)...

Rule #1: WAIT YOUR TURN If someone has been waiting longer than you, he (or she) has first option for the next wave.


If Porka's post offends you, then maybe you are a culprit?

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[There exist SUP riders who continually snake the lineup due to their ability to take off on a wave a lot earlier than anyone else. I've encountered it plenty of times, and Porka obviously had an experience with this somewhere around Cottesloe. So he posts a link to a surf etiquette article, addressed to Cottesloe SUP riders.

And there are longboarders who do eactly the same thing...and guys on shorties who contiunally go to the inside.....his post should be adressed to all...not just the new kids......

Cool.
So sups are accepted on the north side of Cott groyne as long as we all take it in turns?

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jenkz said...

Cool.
So sups are accepted on the north side of Cott groyne as long as we all take it in turns?

Give it a shot, I will come down to video it, should be a great day

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doggie said...

jenkz said...

Cool.
So sups are accepted on the north side of Cott groyne as long as we all take it in turns?

Give it a shot, I will come down to video it, should be a great day

I have SUPed there no problem from boarders or shorties. All comes down to common sense and the old saying do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Not worth it though much better south side. I also use the term "better' in the context of Cottesloe/Perth surf spots ie crap in general.

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Zimbo Reagan said...

doggie said...

jenkz said...

Cool.
So sups are accepted on the north side of Cott groyne as long as we all take it in turns?

Give it a shot, I will come down to video it, should be a great day

I have SUPed there no problem from boarders or shorties. All comes down to common sense and the old saying do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Not worth it though much better south side. I also use the term "better' in the context of Cottesloe/Perth surf spots ie crap in general.

I was actually refering to Cott Boardriders, its hard to get a wave there even on a shortie on a good day

Well maybe you should shoot a copy of the thread across to the mal and shortboard site so that we all treat each other the same.
Any problems with that?

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jenkz said...

Cool.
So sups are accepted on the north side of Cott groyne as long as we all take it in turns?

Give it a shot, I will come down to video it, should be a great day

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jenkz said...

Well maybe you should shoot a copy of the thread across to the mal and shortboard site so that we all treat each other the same.
Any problems with that?

doggie said...

jenkz said...

Cool.
So sups are accepted on the north side of Cott groyne as long as we all take it in turns?

Give it a shot, I will come down to video it, should be a great day

You dont have to ask me, we know the rules but go for it anyway. I will be interested in the response

Perth has the crappest surf in Aust , so no one should be taking them self to seriously in that slop Head down south and the surf alone will sort the kooks from the gooses anyway

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Brooko said...

Perth has the crappest surf in Aust , so no one should be taking them self to seriously in that slop Head down south and the surf alone will sort the kooks from the gooses anyway

Amen

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Zimbo Reagan said...

doggie said...

jenkz said...

Cool.
So sups are accepted on the north side of Cott groyne as long as we all take it in turns?

Give it a shot, I will come down to video it, should be a great day

I have SUPed there no problem from boarders or shorties. All comes down to common sense and the old saying do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Not worth it though much better south side. I also use the term "better' in the context of Cottesloe/Perth surf spots ie crap in general.

I was actually refering to Cott Boardriders, its hard to get a wave there even on a shortie on a good day

That's right, stay away. doggie's right, the locals will take the lion's share out there. Grommies are getting older and more aggressive too. On a small day it's tough to get waves off them. It doesn't stop flocks and flocks of people going there though. Not sure why.

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Brooko said...

Perth has the crappest surf in Aust , so no one should be taking them self to seriously in that slop Head down south and the surf alone will sort the kooks from the gooses anyway

Amen

Sing Hallelujah, best thing to take out of this thread so far.

Hey Fella's! Cott Longboard Club are having a scheduled Club Comp at Iso's this Sunday 20/06/10 so it may pay to plan to surf elsewhere.Should be plenty of waves up and down the coast due forecast of all day offshore and good swell potential.

pigs arse

The wait your turn thing is good in theory but it doesn't happen. I always see the same guys
getting waves and calling off the same guys that have been sitting slightly wider and waiting ages.

I'll let THAT guy get a few waves and then get just ONE inside him and he still has an angry look on
his face. It's really disappointing. Sometimes I'll say to those guys that aren't getting waves to
drop in on me if they can catch it so they get some waves. I'll always get my share anyway.

As a shortboarder I didn't notice as much what goes on in the line-up and the guys hogging waves
but since on the SUP it's much more obvious whats going on and the guys that think they deserve
1 wave in every set.

Porka, I see your point but as someone said you are preaching to the converted here.
I hope the message gets to those concerned.

I was just driving past so I stopped to have a watch. It's about 1/4' and there were two SUPers, four groms on shortboards and one grom on a bodyboard out at Seconds. One was sitting super deep and catching the right hander over the reef, inside everyone else at catching as many as he wanted. The other was a fat guy on an aircraft carrier and I watched him sitting way on the shoulder paddle in to a wave and drop in on a hapless grom who was in position and stay dropped in until the wave finished. He paddled straight back out and sat further outside on the shoulder again. Next wave came, two groms jockeying for position and fat guy paddled from the shoulder inside and snaked them. The groms were too young, naive and polite to drop in. He paddled out again, same thing on the next wave. And again. The next one he didn't snake, he dropped in again just to change it up a bit.

Poor groms didn't stand a chance. Good lessons he's teaching them. Nice work fat guy, if you read this. Thumbs up other guy catching rights. Also thumbs up to the guys down at Deane St searching out their own uncrowded waves.

All it takes is one highly visible SUP guy like that to put people like me off your sport and make my hackles rise. One guy like that negates ten guys like the guy catching rights. Also people like the guy driving into the Boatshed Markets parking lot in a 1-series BMW with a SUP bigger than his car on the roof. Core. I'll bet it's permanently attached so he can tell the other bankers or real estate agents he works with that he's a "surfer".

And I sat and watch a a northern reefie this morning 12 guys out on one peak and one sup, two of the 12 pronies catching 90% of the waves, not waiting in the lineup, not giving away waves and not wearing leashes.....blah blah blah...welcome back to metro surf....

ahhh dreaming of the clean cold non crowded line ups I have just left behind....

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Zimbo Reagan said...

hilly said...

Brooko said...

Perth has the crappest surf in Aust , so no one should be taking them self to seriously in that slop Head down south and the surf alone will sort the kooks from the gooses anyway

Amen

Sing Hallelujah, best thing to take out of this thread so far.

Why dont you guys give each other a hand job and get it over and done with

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Legion said...

I was just driving past so I stopped to have a watch. It's about 1/4' and there were two SUPers, four groms on shortboards and one grom on a bodyboard out at Seconds. One was sitting super deep and catching the right hander over the reef, inside everyone else at catching as many as he wanted. The other was a fat guy on an aircraft carrier and I watched him sitting way on the shoulder paddle in to a wave and drop in on a hapless grom who was in position and stay dropped in until the wave finished. He paddled straight back out and sat further outside on the shoulder again. Next wave came, two groms jockeying for position and fat guy paddled from the shoulder inside and snaked them. The groms were too young, naive and polite to drop in. He paddled out again, same thing on the next wave. And again. The next one he didn't snake, he dropped in again just to change it up a bit.

Poor groms didn't stand a chance. Good lessons he's teaching them. Nice work fat guy, if you read this. Thumbs up other guy catching rights. Also thumbs up to the guys down at Deane St searching out their own uncrowded waves.

All it takes is one highly visible SUP guy like that to put people like me off your sport and make my hackles rise. One guy like that negates ten guys like the guy catching rights. Also people like the guy driving into the Boatshed Markets parking lot in a 1-series BMW with a SUP bigger than his car on the roof. Core. I'll bet it's permanently attached so he can tell the other bankers or real estate agents he works with that he's a "surfer".

Well can't argue with any of that. All good points.

Rob