Have a close look...

The positive;
Here's a very powerful hack by Pancho Sullivan in Mexico, in 2006. I was one of several lucky ones to see the final day of surfing at the 2005 Vans Triple Crown Hali'ewa Event (from the beach), and watch a brilliant display from Pancho. Jarrad Howse surfed really well on the day, and some of Mick Fanning's power carves and air drop floaters were totally unbelievable in the final... Mick broke a board, and that probably cost him the win to be honest... But you couldn't deny Pancho either. My vote goes with some good old school power carves every day... Pancho. The swell built most of the day, and it was triple over-head on the best sets for a chunk of the day.

The negative;
With some trepidation I suggest that this photo sums up why SUP surfing will always be a poor cousin to "short-board" surfing... You just can't do it this tight, or throw water like this...
Positive - Kyron goes hard though!
Another positive - awesome photo hey!!?


Post some "Powerful Hack" photos here!!

might as well throw in longboarding as the other poor cousin simondo


imo sup surfing comp wise doesn't have its own identity.

trying to do short board moves doesn't rate against short boarding and you have to compare the two because thats what they trying to do. don't get me wrong the top sup surfers a very very good surfers, but its slow and lacks critical power and speed.

you get more action at a local board riders comp then a top sup comp.

the noosa comp with the 10' boards was well received. maybe more style and finesse is needed.

i'll cope a blasting here, but the way things are going with guys paddling boards under water because they are so small (and still not able to deliver the sb goods) the comp scene will cannibalise its self with only the odd freak popping up for some much needed freshness.

but how long can this current direction last

it will always be a poor cousin , in the eyes of shortboarders. Good sup riders should be able to pull bigger hacks because they have the paddle to leverage off.

ogsup you could have found much better pics of people riding sups. by posting that pic has proved simondos post correct . great pic grom man. and beaus is good for a sup in small surf

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teatrea said...
it will always be a poor cousin , in the eyes of shortboarders. Good sup riders should be able to pull bigger hacks because they have the paddle to leverage off.

However the leverage from the paddle is somewhat offset by the increased volume and board width.

Love my stand up surfing but not even close to the turns able to be done on normal short boards
Check out this one of Dane Reynolds for example

stabmag.com/news/dane-reynolds-haleiwa-turn/

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Simondo said...



Post some "Powerful Hack" photos here!!

Thats a blinder

Best I have seen on a sup is Blane.

Simondo posted this



I like this one



Edit or my average effort

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laceys lane said...
might as well throw in longboarding as the other poor cousin simondo


imo sup surfing comp wise doesn't have its own identity.

trying to do short board moves doesn't rate against short boarding and you have to compare the two because thats what they trying to do. don't get me wrong the top sup surfers a very very good surfers, but its slow and lacks critical power and speed.

you get more action at a local board riders comp then a top sup comp.

the noosa comp with the 10' boards was well received. maybe more style and finesse is needed.

i'll cope a blasting here, but the way things are going with guys paddling boards under water because they are so small (and still not able to deliver the sb goods) the comp scene will cannibalise its self with only the odd freak popping up for some much needed freshness.

but how long can this current direction last

So true,trying to ride short board style sups?? Mmhh not many can do it, the best suppers are former or current long boarders I reckon,Dogman is the closest I've seen to pancho's hack on a short sup and its still a long way short,no offence doggy.
I think surfers (long and shortboarders) have forgotten why they started to sup, those small fat days too small for short boards, access out of the way spots with no one around, I really don't enjoy watching many guys on SUB 9.0's but hey my opinion each to their own.

My question is this: do you have any less fun-slash-stoke .... I mean I love looking at Tha Dogmans vids - he looks stoked up to me no matter what he's up to (which is usually lots) ..... then there's this cool big grom Kyron ..... then I see Hilly above me .... you get my drift


late edit: Sorry Towny I see you've posted up Tha Dogdude too

Dude its Pancho Sullivan, the bloke does hacks like that when he turns around from checking his mailbox.

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Towny said...
, the best suppers are former or current long boarders I reckon

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62mac said...

Towny said...
, the best suppers are former or current long boarders I reckon

you're in mate - be a champion

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62mac said...

Towny said...
, the best suppers are former or current long boarders I reckon

They have flow

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OG SUP said...


How many comps / events do you go to where the top riders / paddlers are investing serious time with the kids to help them improve or even promote the sport.

I don't mean a BS beginners get on your knees and learn to stand up I mean taking the younger kids that are paddling video what they are doing and correct the mistakes.

How many structured junior SUP Surf / Race development programs are there?

The Hurley HPC does it for surfing and then there are coaches both on Goldy and sunny coast that both do it for free or charge for their services. Not strictly youth based by why treat them any different than an adult? Aren't we trying to stop partiality in today's society?

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thePup said...
My question is this: do you have any less fun-slash-stoke

No probably more as it is less competitive

gotta remember we are all just "playing" in the ocean
some just more serious than others
anyway weren't we talking about hacks!

Just have to add my two bobs worth. You are comparing elite riders moves to the general public. I was out on Sunday on a break further out than what "crawlers" usually inhabit. As we were getting some good waves they came out to join us - but scored very few. They were less than half my age. Right equipment for the conditions! (I also have prone boards).

Aioni

Body surfing, body boarding has been around in a format that would be recognisable to todays participants for centuries beyond recorded history. It continues to evolve grow, stoke and blow minds.
Longboarding has been around in a format that would be recognisable to todays participants for around sixty plus years. It continues to evolve, grow, stoke and blow minds.
Shortboarding has been around in a format that would be recognisable to todays participants for around forty plus years. It continues to evolve, grow, stoke and blow minds.
Stand Up Paddleing has been around in a format that would be recognisable to todays participants for around six years. It continues to evolve, grow, stoke and blow minds.
What manner of witless gibbon would presume to gaze into the crystal ball and asume what will or will not be possible in another millenium of wave riding.
Sparx

Let me put it another way.
Hands up anyone who does'nt think that hack would be twice as hard with buckets blown twice as high, had Pancho been an athlete in his late twenties who had been on high performance SUP's since he was eleven years old.
Scary Huh!!!!
Cheers
Sparx

That specific turn from Pancho was considered the best manouver on the ASP World Tour in 2006.

Sick turn, very very very sick wave!!!

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Sparx said...
Let me put it another way.
Hands up anyone who does'nt think that hack would be twice as hard with buckets blown twice as high, had Pancho been an athlete in his late twenties who had been on high performance SUP's since he was eleven years old.
Scary Huh!!!!
Cheers
Sparx

Hi Sparks,

How many 11 year olds are taking up SUP in lonny?

Phill

Until you can get a smaller rail and narrower tail on a SUP I wouldn't think there is much chance of a turn like Pancho's turning up...equipmnet at the momnet is too prohibitive....same with long barrells on a SUP you see heaps of guys pulling in but then they slip down the face and get clipped at the bottom beacuse the rail is so fate and the tail won't let them hang high and tight wher they need to be...its more board design/dimensions than ability....

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OG SUP said...

Sparx said...
Let me put it another way.
Hands up anyone who does'nt think that hack would be twice as hard with buckets blown twice as high, had Pancho been an athlete in his late twenties who had been on high performance SUP's since he was eleven years old.
Scary Huh!!!!
Cheers
Sparx

Hi Sparks,

How many 11 year olds are taking up SUP in lonny?

Phill

None!!
If our youngsters exhibit deviant tendencies.....we eat them!
Cheers
Sparx

All jokes aside
Somewhere out there in television land is a spindly eight year old who is wobbling around on his old mans short board using a cut down Kialoa. He's not busting down the door yet but he's as stoked as hell, loving life and laying the foundations. In fifteen years time he's gonna flip the top of your head and bamix your brain!!
At the moment the best we have are the likes of Kai and Keahi and lets face it, they are pretty bloody good. But FFS they've only been doing it for two or three years max. Relax...chill...enjoy. Let the sport evolve, take as many meandering turns as it needs...good surfing will always be good surfing.
Stop trying to bury the baby!
Cheers
Sparx

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Sparx said...
Somewhere out there in television land is a spindly eight year old who is wobbling around on his old mans short board using a cut down Kialoa.

He's actually nine, and it's a cut-down alum paddle - he's on a custom 7' x 30" x 4" that we were given for free, but yes - he does wobble...


...at the moment!

There's different forms of the hack,pending which craft you are surfing.

A good hack on a SB,LB and Sup are all good hacks.

Nice Troll Simondo

What a funny thread, I have nothing this is self explanatory

Edit>> I didnt red thumb you mac before you start getting all testy

No worries doggie just another hater

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62mac said...
No worries doggie just another hater

Yep, that you are...

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Sparx said...
What manner of witless gibbon would presume to gaze into the crystal ball and asume what will or will not be possible in another millenium of wave riding.
Sparx

Are you calling me a witless gibbon Sparx!?
You do make some very good points in those posts though!
Here's 1 minor problem though... For SUP depending on your size, there is minimum width and volume you need to simply stand up, and be able to paddle the damn thing. But on critical waves, in the really steep parts, you actually (sort of) don't want those volumes, and a board that wide...

But hell yeah, imagine Pancho doing some hacks on a SUP. Hilly, thanks for reposting Blane!! I was reminding BillBoard how well PSH boards can go!

Not a hack but former international and legendary big wave surfer Daniel Kereopa was making some big moves at the first rnd of 2013 Hyundai Longboard Tour at Raglans Manu Bay . The 2nd rnd is happening now at Piha in conjunction with NZ surf national's. We share over here mac





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