I love nose riding.
My present board shimmies when I get up to the tip.
Solution.. buy a new board.
Choices..at the moment include..
Sunover style 10.6...Starboard nose rider...Nalu...JL black and blue/ striker
The thing is I can't seem to find one photo with someone on any of these boards with a full ten toes over.
Does such a photo exist?

Jimmy BB or Stiker. Off Jimmy's Facebook

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hilly said..
Jimmy BB or Stiker. Off Jimmy's Facebook

Better watch that last step, it's a doozie.

Great shot. For my money, the LAIRD surfer would be in the mix too... I have owned Nalu's. Just ridden the new LE version... And it's good. But too buoyant up front for me. Same goes for Starboard...IMO wafer thin noses like the LAIRD or SUNOVER STYLE are the way to hang out the front... Haven't tried the B&B... But by all accounts is right up there too...
aagghh... Too many choices.!!!

New Fanatic toy is pretty awesome. Can't put any photos yet but they'll release it soon...

Cheers,

Denis - Windsurf N Snow

Have owned the Starboard noserider, Naish nalu and currnently riding the Sunova Style 10ft....Sunova is awesome, spend more time on the nose than anywhere else on the board

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WINDSURFnSNOW said..
New Fanatic toy is pretty awesome. Can't put any photos yet but they'll release it soon...

Cheers,

Denis - Windsurf N Snow

I'm waiting to hear about this board that Fanatic has coming out before I pull the trigger on the JL Black and Blue possibly. Haven't thought about the Nalu much, which one would be best, the 10'6?

Hi Adam,

Nalu 10'6 for more traditional longboard riding if you want more volume, 10' for more progressive, shortboard style, performance longboard riding. There's a video of me on the 10' where you can see that I mainly do turns -



Fanatic one is similar in volume as Nalu 10' and it is 10', really sexy and fine rails...That's all I can say for now My pick is: New Fanatic for nose riding and turns in small to medium waves, 10' Nalu for turns and late drops in medium to large waves I'm 95 kg but I surf a lot...
Cheers,

Denis - Windsurf N Snow

any indication of what the Fanatic will retail at?

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Treth said..
Haven't tried the B&B... But by all accounts is right up there too...

Only second hand info to offer here, met a bloke with a newish B&B last time I was out - looking over the board it had very straight rails, big scoop concave under the nose and a lot of tail rocker with the fin box well back . Bloke said it was a bit of a slug off the tail but big fun up forward - he was pretty chuffed with it as a nose rider.

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elbeau said..
I love nose riding.
My present board shimmies when I get up to the tip.
Solution.. buy a new board.
Choices..at the moment include..
Sunover style 10.6...Starboard nose rider...Nalu...JL black and blue/ striker
The thing is I can't seem to find one photo with someone on any of these boards with a full ten toes over.
Does such a photo exist?

If you're a good noserider, it won't matter what board you get, you'll be able to noseride it. moving forward from that given, if you're just okay at it, or if you suck at it like i do, then all but one of the boards on your list won't *on its own* make it any easier to get to the tip. and when i say this, i mean 5 over or ten over. lots of folks will say oh yeah this board or that board is a great noserider, when what they really mean is that the board rides well from the front 1/3 to 1/4 of the entire length. that's not noseriding, that's riding near the nose, and the difference is huge.

imho, a noserider made to noseride in the sense that I'm talking about (ie, giving a less than skilled rider at least the potential to wrap toes over the nose) mainly needs three things in addition to the right basic outline: lots of tail kick, a flat rocker profile up front and 50/50 rails all the way around. for a subpar noserider like myself, i can't stress how important those 50/50 rails are, just in terms of keeping you in the pocket where the wave can hold the tail of the board down. and, afaik, there's only one board that's got em and that's the jimmy BnB. Plus, it's got the other attributes as well.

I haven't seen the Sunover Style 10.6, so maybe it has 50/50 rails, too, i don't know.

like i said, though, and as i assume you know, if you're an average+ noserider to begin with, any of the boards will work great. even that stinker, the starby, ha ha. otherwise, i'd say the BnB.

Be prepared, however, to learn a new style of riding. most people can't turn a board w/ 50-50 rails from the middle. you gots to get back on the tail and pivot your turns. have a look-see at toots riding a traditional longboard exactly how it rides best. look at how much of the length of the board he has out of the water when he turns, at least 1/2 to 2/3 a good bit of the time. awesome! i think that's what you'd be striving for on a BandB.



The two pix are of Jimmy on the B&B. Okay, so his toes aren't totally over the nose but hey i'd be happy to be right where he is, any day o the week The real thing to notice is the placement of the board in the sweet spot of the wave for tip time. This is very difficult with hard-railed boards, because they tend to rocket out onto the shoulder. Not so with 50/50. Proof is in the pix!






good luck!

Hi Elbeau.
All good comments above, but I have ridden the Laird, the Sunnova, the Nalu and the Jimmy Lewis striker looking for the real nose riding board. All at 10'6" or 10'.
I surf longboards regularly as well and can get five and ten over most of the time.
None of these boards, in my opinion, nose ride like a log longboard. I have the 10'6" Surftech Laird and can get within 6" of the front, but it bogs down at that point (Most of the others where the same). Most of the stand ups are 4" thick and they want to have some nose lift, but really if they were more like an ironing board they would work better. Coming from that thickness forward, toward the nose, you effectively get 'nose lift' just by thinning out the board. I would love to have a go at the Black and Blue. These guys are surfboard shapers and it looks pretty close to what would work.
Those photos shown of the black and blue, pretty well make me feel it could be the one. The nose is clear and not pushing water, exactly what you need to get that last 6", to 10over Nirvana.

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Sandsy1 said..
None of these boards, in my opinion, nose ride like a log longboard.

Yup, real longboard SUP are not common. I guess because they are special to ride, so it is a niche market, not big enough for production. Gong made real SUP noseriders but stopped production (only available as prototypes now) as the market was too small.
One of the solutions is to use a real prone longboard with just enough width & volume for you to SUP on. In the Gong line it is the 10' IT ("Incredible Ten") , at 15" wide and 121 liters it takes some practice, but is definitely doable, even for my 100kg. If you are lighter, there are great boards in various prone production lines (Bic, surftech,....) durable enough to SUP on. Or just use wide prone longboards, with paddle protections and maybe an additional glass layer on the deck

Thanks all for your input. I appreciate it.
It seems my doubts were well founded. It appears that SUPS at this stage aren't in the same league as longboards when it comes to nose riding.Taking into account Colas and Sandsy 1 comments (thank you both) I still lean toward the Sunnova Style unless someone can convince me otherwise. One more enquiry. I have a Starboard Drive 10' 5". Is there anyone that has ridden both Style and Drive that can give some feedback re nose riding. Thanks again to all that bothered to reply.

The last 3 comments are pretty spot on, the LB 'Toots' is nose riding (nice vid, thanks Liinter) is about as flat as an ironing board and as Colas says, not many sups are currently made like this due to demand/sales unless you go custom. The Jimmy B&B is pretty much it for flat front rocker, 50/50 log style on the production market, and also comes with a massive single fin with box placed right at back of board. Haven't had the chance to surf it tho but definitely looks the goods...

Depending on what year your Drive is, it could actually be as good a nose rider as any (B&B excluded) of the newer LB style sups. The older Drives had flatter nose rocker and could get up on the nose easily on them. If you haven't already, take out the side fins (these could possibly be contributing to the 'shimmies') and slide centre to the back of box and (if you also haven't already done so) try a less 'whippy' fin than the Drake that comes with it.

Drives from last couple of years not as good as older models for nose riding as they have focused more on performance, with more pulled in and rockered nose with vee from centre tends to make them rock and roll (shimmy?) when you get forward of centre too far.

I tried a few times but could never get on with the Starby Noserider, other guys i know (a bit heavier than me) love it and can get toes on the nose but I think is too much volume at nose for me.

Have ridden the Sunova Style 10' as single and it's a nice longboard feel and yep, could definitely run to the nose. The new Fanatic 10'er is similar to the Sunova with low rail profile and thin wide nose but have only paddled it in flat so no useful feedback as yet.

The Laird 10'6 was never as good on the nose as the 10' or 11' versions as plan shape was a bit wider, and never seemed as fast or smooth especially on bigger waves as the other two, but was a fun board and more manoeuvrable though. I haven't ridden any of the new Laird models.

Naish Nalu 10' definitely more performance focused, 10'6 as mentioned is a great all round LB style that will do better nose riding with single fin, but the 11' is an awesome nose rider (again with no side fins). I could even paddle onto wave from standing less than a foot from nose but I'm under 80kg so might have made difference.

Looks like there will be more longboard style sups hitting the market over the next few months tho...

Great question and some good feedback from lots of people that way know more than me. I think, weight is an issue, i am just over 100kgs and really like to surf the front of the board, have spent enough time on the Nalu 10'6 and 11'4/6 and more recently the 11'. Of the pick of those i would say the 10'6. My partner has the JP 10'6 and its not a noserider (but the new 10' may be )

When I was up the coast recently I was over the 11' for a few reasons and wanted to try the Style 10', so I demo'd one. First wave, down the face, bottom turn, straight to the nose, had a cup of tea and cooked the BBQ I was there so long, fell in love right there and then

Is it the best I don't know but I do know that you can ride with your toes on the front. I would love to have tried the bigger BnB but I am told there are not many (any) in the country and demo is not an option, so you are basically forking out and hoping, and thats not my preference. Being from WA you might have more of a chance being as I understand the importer is in Perth?

What ever you choose, hope it goes well for you

G'day mate, I have owned the Drive, a 2010 model with the flatter rocker, pretty good nose rider.
A board that I really liked except for the excess weight.
I have also demo'd the 2012 carbon drive, oh what a nice board that was, again good nose rider but too darn expensive!
I also demo'd the starby nose rider, didn't like it, prefering the drive which IMHO is a better nose rider.

I now own a 10'6" Sunova style, which is too big for me, I need the 10 footer, which I have demo'd and nose rides better for me than the 10'6". I like the Sunova but not as much as I thought I would, but that could change if I can get the 10 footer.
I have also demo'd the Fanatic Stylemaster which is a good board that nose rides well.
Also demo'd the Naish Nalu 10' LE, a very nice versatile board. Surprisingly a very good nose rider.

Hope that helps some.

Ken.

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colas said..
Gong line it is the 10' IT ("Incredible Ten") , at 15" wide

Ooops, 25" wide, of course.

I would also advise to take a board with as little volume as possible. With the length and wide tips, there are very stable for their volume, and the less volume you have, the thinner the rails, which is critical in the front. This is why older SUPs often do not fit the bill: they may have the outline and the rocker, but too much foam...

Note that "shortboard" SUP are different beasts from a prone surfboard, and that asking a non-SUPing shaper to make you a SUP is a bad idea. However, you cannot go wrong by just asking a longboard shaper to make you a longboard SUP of the appropriate width & volume & reinforments: a longboard SUP works in the same way as a prone one.

colas: i tried forever to get patrice to send me a gong never stick here in the states, to no avail. failing that, i tried to pry the design details out of his hands so i could get someone local to make one for me -- again, no luck. is that the pure noserider SUP that gong stopped producing due to low demand?

Just to add a bit more fuel to the fire, my new nose rider longboard that is being made for me, is 10'2" x 24" x 3 and a quarter" thick. I weigh in at 76kg.
Based on that, a sup would need to be 10'6" at least, say 29 - 30" wide and as flat as an ironing board.
I'm thinking of getting a custom made.

Yeah, so I'm in the exact same boat, really wanting a dedicated Noserider SUP, I'm 6'0, 175 lbs riding mostly weak knee to waist high mush on the east coast (US).

It's really down to these boards:

JL Black and Blue 10'1" - Seems to be the best for a dedicated NR, losing some traditional longboard carving.
Fanatic Stylemaster 10'0" - Looks great, I really like Fanatic's construction, just came out: http://www.fanatic.com/product/stylemaster-4/
Sunova Style 10'0" - Really like the construction and info from Bert.


All things being equal I can get the B&B cheaper and quicker, but..........any more reviews/thoughts would be helpful.

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linter said..
colas: i tried forever to get patrice to send me a gong never stick here in the states, to no avail. failing that, i tried to pry the design details out of his hands so i could get someone local to make one for me -- again, no luck. is that the pure noserider SUP that gong stopped producing due to low demand?

There were many ones. I guess there have been nearly ten "true" noseriders in the Gong line.
Here is a comparison (In French) of 4 of them some time ago: www.gong-galaxy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=62345

You have so many legendary shapers in the states...cannot you have one made you a big longboard?
(In Patrice house, there are no Gongs on the walls, but a lot of US boards, Tyler ones for instance...)

Thanks again all for your feedback. Very informative. Kennyk you say the 10'6" is too big for you? I wonder what weight and height you are? I weigh around 88kgs 5'8" in the old measure. Is there much difference between the 10' and the 10'6"? I'm still leaning toward the Sunovas mainly because of lightness and finish and of course their performance in the surf.B and B are a bit hard to get hold of over here and despite Colas's informed advice I'm too lazy and impatient to go to the effort of getting a board custom made. Thanks again everyone.

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/StandUpPaddle-Surfing-and-Cruising-Boards/~tyzy1/2014-Jimmy-Lewis-Black-And-Blue-Machine-9-6.aspx?search=1iqlDeuEK69tqSKwRokAxJjpccyXbvrs

the 9-6 is supposed to be very tricky to ride.

also, that pic of the guy with five over is riding an infinity not a jimmy. false advertising!

What makes you say that? Mark Miedama was the rider

i'm talking about the second pic, five toes over, soul arch. pretty darn sure that's dave boehne riding an infinity. classic shot. you can also see that pic over on the infinity website.

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linter said..
i'm talking about the second pic, five toes over, soul arch. pretty darn sure that's dave boehne riding an infinity. classic shot. you can also see that pic over on the infinity website.

Second pic??

you don't see this? pretty sure that's boehne.

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linter said..
you don't see this? pretty sure that's boehne.

did not know you were talking about the ad. Thought you were talking about my post.

no worries. i was beginning to think we were not talking about the same thing. nice noseriding photo, though. onward!