first of all, i would like to say that i put the Raptor from Naish out of my decision, because i Heard it was not a performance board, that is a good sup, to jump on, very stable and fun in small waves, but that starboard and jp were more preformance oriented.

The Jp is supposed to be rigth now in san fransisco port, but not able to reach the stores until may.

The starboard dealer here in Uruguay is now making a preorder for de 2016 Starboard Sup, delivery time, august!!!

the only benefit i get if i place a PREorder, is 10% discount...never use one of this brands, so no idea wich is better.

A fellow SUPer from seabreeze, said that in a demo day at Merimbula there where a lot of guy who rode the slate and the hypernut back to back in the same conditions (2-3 foot clean waves) and all of them said that they prefered the Satrby, that it was more stable and performed better, but the slate was more skatey and easy to slide the tail in any part of the wave.

The smallest hypernut is 105 liters (7´2 x 28¨) while the Slate is 91 (7´2 x 26¨) as everybody is saying, with this kind of shapes you could go smaller that you think, and i know i can handle 109 liters on a fanatic prowave.

At 75-80kg a Little affraid to go on 91 liters, so options are smaller starby or the médium jp

I don´t know anything about shapes and stuff, but it seem to me that this are two differents boards.

Anyone rode them or can enlight me about the differences of the shape?

Thanks a lot!!

Hi Nacho; Building my own board since i was a kid( for 46 years by now) to fit my home spot which is beach break I keep on catching influences from reading Seabreezers post. Out of buying anyone, I did have the same thoughts of choice about those two boards as you Nacho. Still Raptor from Naish and its ancestor which is the one with 4channels built few years ago are both the single kind NAISH model making me " froth" about .Despite of she got the Naish shaping touch from getting balance forward stance at nose buoyancy of the board.
And obviously this buyoancy balance is why i would prefer Hypernut mainly for reasons as said by Marco Gribi in this topic:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/Starboard-Hyper-Nut-Minion-Vanguard-MPH/?page=2&index=51
and specially this mention about the Hypernut "One other factor that helps with wave entry is the wider tails as they tend to get earlier lift from the coming wave and then they slip down the wave with quicker acceleration followed by drive from the quad fins." I think this is why i like Hypernut rather than Raptor is the fast entry. In second reason of my Hypernut preference more than Vangard principle is the common shaping one shared with MEYERHOFFER board . IMO those MEYERHOFFER are really up to date
Out of what did i say here, Hypdernut or Raptor dont get enough buoyancy ranges, should cover every 10 kg of weight . So catching influences as i explained up here I drawn something fitting to >70 and <80kg as our range of weight.
So this is my idea about it , I called it " Manix"
Take care watching the buoyancy diagram . Please note the equal balance of volume between tail and nose as well as center sections of the board. This is the" S" outline effect before other shaping components... Also this "S " or depress curved outline has many others reasons i cant explain here by now.
You cant have this perfect volume balance on Vangard style and more on Raptor where balance is pull on nose with such narrow tail able to dig rails and fins




Yes this board got a nose riding option

I like it in a Twinzer option too

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Kami said..
I like it in a Twinzer option too

This one looks very nice mate!!

NAISH RAPTOR all the way!!

JB

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NACHOSUP said..
first of all, i would like to say that i put the Raptor from Naish out of my decision, because i Heard it was not a performance board, that is a good sup, to jump on, very stable and fun in small waves, but that starboard and jp were more preformance oriented.

Ha.. Try telling Chuck that the new Naish Raptor is not preformance oriented..

Hey Nacho... check this out.
I had a friend in the states buy one and had it shipped to the US for $300 US... he got it last week.
Total price less than anything on your list.... and my bet is... it's a better option, if the size works for you.
I'm waiting for them to show up in my neck of the woods.... super stoked from my research.

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Browse/?search=krEbfC6oOAOtnyyxC2ltwLub5PPNrHOa

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DavidJohn said..

NACHOSUP said..
first of all, i would like to say that i put the Raptor from Naish out of my decision, because i Heard it was not a performance board, that is a good sup, to jump on, very stable and fun in small waves, but that starboard and jp were more preformance oriented.

Ha.. Try telling Chuck that the new Naish Raptor is not preformance oriented..

Sure Raptor is a performance oriented board for island wave like Hawaï out of Honolulu by summertime. Can be an accurate shape to fit the reef break waves provide by ground swell of the pacific coast reef break of Chili.
Nacho , what kind of wave are you use to surf in Chili

My main concern, having been burnt before on new concept boards (SUP, kite, windsurf etc) is that they are just that and it would appear that the custom guys out there have a lot more prototypes under their belts than the production guys. After much thought and debate i went for a Deep Minion and it was great to chat with Simon the designer about what works and what does not. Interesting I did NOT want to go for teh bat tail but after a lengthy debate I was convinced and listened to the shaper and took his advise. Deep and Simsup are readily available globally and i know Simon is shipping all over the globe, well worth discussing with him before you take a take the early production model route. Even if you are mixed on Naish, JP or Starby its worth a call.

phil

nacho - you read review of a 31" raptor vs 28 " JP !!!! ...go figure ! .... of course its not going to be as performance orientated ... apples for apples would have been 28 raptor vs JP 28 .... if peeps have tested both these SML designs back to back , and have some conclusions , then fair enough .... dont go on reviews of one size vs a much smaller size

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seabreezer said..
nacho - you read review of a 31" raptor vs 28 " JP !!!! ...go figure ! .... of course its not going to be as performance orientated ... apples for apples would have been 28 raptor vs JP 28 .... if peeps have tested both these SML designs back to back , and have some conclusions , then fair enough .... dont go on reviews of one size vs a much smaller size

apples to apples but at 28" Raptor, tail buoyancy become too small with a sinking tail effect while paddling on the board making the Naish 28" looking like an apple rotten.

yesterday i placed an order for the Hypernut 7´2 x 28´´ Delivery time Setember!!!!

Thanks supthe creek for the resarch, but one of the big ítems that made me go "big brands" is the customs taxes here in Uruguay and the reselling Price i could get.

As here qe have dealers of the major brands, they put the board in my hands with very similar worldwide Price. If i choose to bring a board by myself, import taxes are up to 60%, plus shipping cost. (so, very similar Price to a major Brand)

Kami, i´m a big fan of naish products (the global kitesurf board is the best board i ever had, and when i change my allwave to a hokua 9´5 it was a game changer, excellent sup)

Here in Uruguay, we only have sand bottom beach breakes. Max swell we get is arround 6 foot and 11-12 sec period.

Here is a good map of uruguayan waves (the pictures are in epic conditions)

guiadesurfuruguay.com (look at ROCHA or Maldonado Spots)

More webs that have some sessions:

http://www.olasdeluruguay.com.uy/

moresurfmag.com/

paipo.com.uy/

olasyvientos.com/

kami , are you saying raptor tails too narrow ? looks pretty wide to me ...

Awesome pics on those websites Nachosup!

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seabreezer said..
kami , are you saying raptor tails too narrow ? looks pretty wide to me ...

No tail width is ok with 31" board as original dimension . I mean: tail's Raptor would be too narrow if you shrink outline with same proportion at 28" .

Kami , I think raptor 28 tail will be fine ... would sooner shift my wgt up the board 2" to balance it , and have more nimbleness in the pocket with a slightly (if it is?) narrower tail .... wasnt that a drawback that casso touched on with minion - the super wide tail difficuilt at close quaters - therefore paddlepop was better with it pulled in tail and his go-to board ...? I dont think you can ever draw any conclusions by looking at pictures ... as to how its going to feel or what its going to trim like on the water - for instance , volume flow (depth etc) could totally correct for width adjustments ... maybe Im misunderstanding yr point though ... ?

Dear seabreezer .There is misunderstood about tail to narrow at Raptor design at 28", i'm just talking about paddling buoyancy balance. One of reasons that Vangard style board got wide tail is to provide stability while standing on the rear half board. Raptor as all Naish board got buoyancy from nose half one so if you shrink max width , tail sink dramatically while paddling .
I made this experience on some my first boards, narrow tail are ok and reliable but it's night mare to paddle on

So i'm working by now to a new design which is a SUP and reliable surfboard in any part of the wave.
Note volume ratios on quarter ends of the diagram , more they equal more stable the board is.

well hello everybody!!!

after months of waiting i just recieve a call from my SUP dealer.

good new & bad news

the good news is that the Hypernut will arrive by the end of the month (so i will have it here les say mid july) i ordered Wood finish

The bad news is that NOW he has a JP full carbón pro edition as well! only USD 300 + (2200 vs 2500 us dollars)

Anyone rode this two back to back? I know its down to personal preferences, but no way i could demo any of them.

Is JP full carbón pro edition better than SB Wood? how much weight difference?
What about performance?
Which one is the most user friendly, the one that will be "the every day board"


Now i´m Reading all over again, and again and again...

sorry if i bother anyone with all this again..

I don't think any of these shapes are top end performance boards.....if you want a true performance shape then you need a small, narrow pointy stick. if anyone else tells you otherwise then they are probsbably a dealer

these shapes are for mere mortals....the shapes work well and help folks surf well.

i read a good and honest review of one of the smaller Slates by a very good surfer. His view was the boards are loads of fun, need a diff riding technique but are very much for the intermediate to good surfer.....not top end.

i´m a mere mortal

no way i could stand on a sub 8´ SUP