weight and conditions please

Would 90kg be to heavy for all conditions

I paddled last years model 8'9 and it was unstable for 80kg beginner-intermediate on the flat and not in the surf.

Yea just a bad choice for 90 kg

think will I'll be looking at deep jc pro seems best size and litres 8,8 x30x 4 3/8" @ 120 Litres

looks good as a board for 90kg in adverse conditions ?

deep have changed all there dimensions on a jc pro short boards , now made in Thailand

I really depends on you level. Hint, there is a "pro" in the name of these boards...

If you are not doing vertical surfing, a pulled-in nose will bring you no advantage, and a lot of instability. Just like the old saying "If you ask for the price it means you cannot afford it", for these boards "if you ask for they stability, you are not ready for them".

Look for boards with a wider nose (and tail, if your waves are not too hollow), You will have all the performance you need AND stability. It will also allow stability while keeping the board from being too wide overall . Much better than using a "pro" shape but oversizing it.

For instance, I would recommend shapes like the new SMIK Short Mac www.smiksup.com/short-mac
but there are other shapes like this on the market.

Disclaimer: I am a Gong ambassador I personnally use mostly a Gong Fatal www.gong-galaxy.com/magazine/news/dealer-new-dealer-van-bellen/

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Foam said..
Yea just a bad choice for 90 kg

think will I'll be looking at deep jc pro seems best size and litres 8,8 x30x 4 3/8" @ 120 Litres

looks good as a board for 90kg in adverse conditions ?

deep have changed all there dimensions on a jc pro short boards , now made in Thailand

I like to try the 9'2 prowave.

To much board that 9,2 fanatic don't seem to catch on very well

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colas said..
I really depends on you level. Hint, there is a "pro" in the name of these boards...

If you are not doing vertical surfing, a pulled-in nose will bring you no advantage, and a lot of instability. Just like the old saying "If you ask for the price it means you cannot afford it", for these boards "if you ask for they stability, you are not ready for them".

Look for boards with a wider nose (and tail, if your waves are not too hollow), You will have all the performance you need AND stability. It will also allow stability while keeping the board from being too wide overall . Much better than using a "pro" shape but oversizing it.

For instance, I would recommend shapes like the new SMIK Short Mac www.smiksup.com/short-mac
but there are other shapes like this on the market.

Disclaimer: I am a Gong ambassador I personnally use mostly a Gong Fatal www.gong-galaxy.com/magazine/news/dealer-new-dealer-van-bellen/

Hi colas, I am advanced and surf top to bottom , I just find my 126 litres is quite a lot even at 90 kg
so im trying to replace it with a simaler board, yes pulled in nose and tail, turned down rails but want a bit o stability in chop
i think the deep 8,8 x30 @120 litres might do the trick

Hi Foam, I have the 8'8 fanatic and am around 88kg. I come off occasionally in tricky conditions, but its not too bad. All depends on your level.

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Foam said..
Hi colas, I am advanced and surf top to bottom , I just find my 126 litres is quite a lot even at 90 kg

Yup, my 8'4" 125 liters pulled-in nose & tail was too big for my 100kg. I am now on a 7'11" 115 liters, and it is much better, even in chop, but also more tiring as I must stay alert all the time, I cannot totally relax as on the 125l. And you must learn to narrow your paddling stance, foot close to the rail = fall.

120 litres should be comfy for your 90kg.
I use this board when I need paddling speed (shifting peaks, big rips). Otherwise I am just as stable on my 7'3" 105l wide nosed.

Crikey colas, you make me think I should drop more litres

I'm 85kg plus winter gear in the UK and been riding a prowave 8'4 at 104 litres. The nose on it is much wider than the equivalent JP pro etc (2015 model, newer may be narrower?) and makes it a lot more stable than you might think. Pulled in tail turns super tight and paddles well for size. Great boards demo if you can.

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Kovert said..
I'm 85kg plus winter gear in the UK and been riding a prowave 8'4 at 104 litres. The nose on it is much wider than the equivalent JP pro etc (2015 model, newer may be narrower?) and makes it a lot more stable than you might think. Pulled in tail turns super tight and paddles well for size. Great boards demo if you can.

Yea the older model 8,9 was a wider nose , new ones not so much and 6 litres less plain hard work in any chop I think

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Foam said..
Crikey colas, you make me think I should drop more litres

I depends. 115 liters is OK now that I average 3 sessions/week on the poweful Hossegor waves. 2 years ago, I was at less than 2 sessions/week in slow mediterranean waves, and 125 liters was better.

- less volume brings lots of rewards in powerful waves, not so much in weak waves
- less volume needs regular pratice to stay fit and be able to enjoy long sessions despite the lack of comfort
For instance, at 105 liters, I sometimes had the waves becoming much better during the session, but having to get out anyways because I was too tired after 2 hours. With a 120 liters board, I would have stayed 5-6 hours and enjoyed it. This is not a big problem if you have waves frequently, but if you do not surf often, it can be frustrating.

So reducing volume is a compromise. You gain some, but you lose some.

Hi colas

yea I trying to work that out on my decision and basing your advise on your 100kg but noring im 90kg at most

looking at the two deep boards, one is 116 and the other 120 I guess not a hide difference

I would be wary to compare liters across brands. Just like for shoes, a size 10 in one brand may be a size 9 in another, especially when not computer-shaped. When Gong was still hand-shaping boards, then creating molds, a board was actually measured in a pool, and the announced volume was 10% off (the board was actually 137 liters instead of the stated 125).

And if one can think that the difference between actual volumes and stated ones can stay consistent within a brand (but maybe not across factories), it can varies between brands. Just like you do not buy blindly based on stated size a wetsuit brand you do not know, I would try to demo any deep board to see how they "fit" you volume-wise.

Or just contact Deep and tell them your feeling of the various boards you tried, they may know them and offer you advice of which Deep board to choose.

It is too bad most brands do not give the rocker and one-foot-off widths, as I found it a good way to predict the behavior of a shape (kudo to Sunova for their OFOs). My rule of thumb is that more front OFO gives stability, and less rear OFO ease rail-to-rail transition.