Anyone know the weight of the new 7'10" Naish Max Dog? Can't seem to find it on the Naish website??

Hmmm. I've always found it interesting when a brand doesn't list the weights of their boards. They always seem to list every other detail like length, width, thickness, volume etc. But you only ever see weights listed by board companies that are, dare I say, proud of the weights achieved during manufacturing. So read between the lines if you will.

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Zeusman said..
Hmmm. I've always found it interesting when a brand doesn't list the weights of their boards. They always seem to list every other detail like length, width, thickness, volume etc. But you only ever see weights listed by board companies that are, dare I say, proud of the weights achieved during manufacturing. So read between the lines if you will.

Well..there is a flip side..take Jimmy Lewis boards..I think Jimmy says who cares when it comes to listing weight as he knows all his boards are strong AND light. And then of course you get some companies who state the weight and you find the boards are a whack heavier than stated. If you go by a recent SUPboarder review...Gong have been guilty of that but I'm sure they are not the only one!

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Slab said..
If you go by a recent SUPboarder review...Gong have been guilty of that but I'm sure they are not the only one!

For Gong, the weights stated on the web site are [1] +/- 5% [2] not including pads (+600g for a 8'-something, more for a 10') nor fins (+250g for a thruster set, more for a 2+1).
Normally they sell the overweight boards at a rebate. And if one slips by the QA, you can ask for a rebate afterwards if you find it overweight, that's the benefit of a brand stating the weights on the web site.

I could not find how SUPboarder weighted the test boards (with pad, obviously, but with fins?), but their stated weights seem normal if with fins.

I think I have heard sup boarder mag say that they weigh the boards as they are intended to be ridden with pads and fins.

Not having a pop at Gong but their website says 8.5kg for a NFA Pro x28 wide..Supboarder weighed their one and it was over 10kg I think. That's too big a difference in my book and certainly made me think twice about which board to buy.

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Slab said..
Not having a pop at Gong but their website says 8.5kg for a NFA Pro x28 wide..Supboarder weighed their one and it was over 10kg I think. That's too big a difference in my book and certainly made me think twice about which board to buy.

8.5 kg (NFA 10' XS) + 5% = 8.9kg
+ pad (I guess 800g for a 10' board) = 9.8kg
So if Supboarder weighted it without the fins, they got a slightly overweight model, and are entitled to a rebate.
If they weighted with fins, it may still be in expected range.
If weight is critical for you, you can contact them beforehand to have an idea of the actual weights in stock.

I guess Gong use weight without a pad as it is how they are weighted at the factory for the quality control, they are used to always mention the "naked" weight internally.

PS: few brands list the weights, even fewer list which weight they are speaking of, and even fewer commit to a rebate if the board is out of spec. What bothers me is brands saying "This board is very light"... but do not dare commit to a number!

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Zeusman said..
Hmmm. I've always found it interesting when a brand doesn't list the weights of their boards. They always seem to list every other detail like length, width, thickness, volume etc. But you only ever see weights listed by board companies that are, dare I say, proud of the weights achieved during manufacturing. So read between the lines if you will.

Well..there is a flip side..take Jimmy Lewis boards..I think Jimmy says who cares when it comes to listing weight as he knows all his boards are strong AND light. And then of course you get some companies who state the weight and you find the boards are a whack heavier than stated. If you go by a recent SUPboarder review...Gong have been guilty of that but I'm sure they are not the only one!

Jimmy says who cares?? Well, we the avid sup board consumer care
And any brand that thinks we don't care is kidding themselves!

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Slab said..

Zeusman said..
Hmmm. I've always found it interesting when a brand doesn't list the weights of their boards. They always seem to list every other detail like length, width, thickness, volume etc. But you only ever see weights listed by board companies that are, dare I say, proud of the weights achieved during manufacturing. So read between the lines if you will.

Well..there is a flip side..take Jimmy Lewis boards..I think Jimmy says who cares when it comes to listing weight as he knows all his boards are strong AND light. And then of course you get some companies who state the weight and you find the boards are a whack heavier than stated. If you go by a recent SUPboarder review...Gong have been guilty of that but I'm sure they are not the only one!

Jimmy says who cares?? Well, we the avid sup board consumer care
And any brand that thinks we don't care is kidding themselves!

Absolutely care

I'm sure Jimmy Lewis didn't actually say "who cares" so let's not take the man's word out of context. I think whatever he may have said in relation to weight could be summed up by saying that his boards are guaranteed to be lighter than the majority of boards out there and anyone who has owned one knows that to be the truth - his boards are perfectly super light AND absolutely bomber construction.

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nShoreSlider said..
I'm sure Jimmy Lewis didn't actually say "who cares" so let's not take the man's word out of context. I think whatever he may have said in relation to weight could be summed up by saying that his boards are guaranteed to be lighter than the majority of boards out there and anyone who has owned one knows that to be the truth - his boards are perfectly super light AND absolutely bomber construction.

Yup..you are never going to have a heavy Jimmy Lewis board..built to last.

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nShoreSlider said..
I'm sure Jimmy Lewis didn't actually say "who cares" so let's not take the man's word out of context. I think whatever he may have said in relation to weight could be summed up by saying that his boards are guaranteed to be lighter than the majority of boards out there and anyone who has owned one knows that to be the truth - his boards are perfectly super light AND absolutely bomber construction.

How do you know he didn't say it, yes he makes great boards but that doesn't mean he doesn't say odd things occasionally. It's not a personal attack on JL and shouldn't be taken out of context, I took it as Zeus saying hey SUP producers we want to know how much these mega buck things weigh just as the information of lay up is shown. Not hard really

The poor chap asking about the weight of a Mad Dog still isn't close to getting an answer from anyone. I think we somewhat went off on a tangent on his thread .

The only thing I want to keep in context is Jimmy Lewis sup construction,absolutely at the pointy end,arguably the best I.M.O.Not sure what was said by whom,but I also require weight ! from any manufacturer other than Jimmy,as I consider his boards the bench mark, Light / strong,value for money/ resale ect.,just wish he did customs from the kinetic Factory.

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Slab said..
The poor chap asking about the weight of a Mad Dog still isn't close to getting an answer from anyone. I think we somewhat went off on a tangent on his thread .

I also agree with Slab,we can get off topic sometimes,hope someone comes up with a weight for him ,and everyone is getting waves

So what if it's slightly off topic, most topics have been discussed many times and it can get pretty boring without some off topics.

Just hope JL gets the info he is seeking

I asked Jimmy about the weights...he said he might ask the factory and start putting the weights up if it helps... and to prevent him searching through emails trying to remember them all Love his style. He also wasn't fussed about putting volumes of boards up at first because he reckons people should be more concerned with width and thickness. However, he concedes people like to know all this sort of stuff when trawling through websites so you never know..weights might appear.

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Slab said..
He also wasn't fussed about putting volumes of boards up at first because he reckons people should be more concerned with width and thickness.

Now that's insane. Ever heard of Archimedes? :-)

I guess he made this statement when his boards had huge volumes so a bit more or a bit less was not noticeable. But for boards near neutral flotation, every liter is felt.

Maybe it a new thing but I bought. Naish Mana 6 years ago and knew how much it weighed and it's volume, meant nothing to a novice at the time. Then 3 years ago I got a JL Sidewinder and knew it's volume and weight as it was the lightest 14ft board on the market at 9kg. Waiting on a Smik Lord Bonza 9.5 x 32 and again know the volume and weight?? What am I missing the info is easy to find??

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DaveSandan said..
What am I missing the info is easy to find??

The info is not easy to find, otherwise "JL" would not have started this thread :-)
For instance, I could not find the 7'10" Naish Max Dog weight on Naish site. It can by found however by googling for it on reseller and review sites... but the number varies: I have found 17 lbs and 16.12 lbs with a quick search.

There is a major difference between knowing the weight of some boards at a reseller and having the brand committing formally to a weight range, meaning boards out of this range can be actually considered as defective.

The weight of a brand new board with fins and grip is extremely important,to me ,not just for performance ect,but for future dings /weight gain !!! You need to have a reference point to start with IMO.this has been posted many times before,and it has helped me in the past,problem solving,the forum working as it should !

Weight of a SUP is important to me just to know how much hassle it is going to be walking the thing to the water . I'm not a performance surfer and tend to buy boards from brands which I know will be a reasonable in terms of weight. I've had JL, Starby's, Fanatic JP Aus, Gong and others. I've only had one board which was heavier than expected but it surfed great.

You are of course correct the web sites are inaccurate. When I bought my boards they had the weight printed in the specs on the Naish Website and JL had the Sidewinder weight listed because it was 9kg and the lightest in the market. Smik have weights somewhere because the board stock standard in Carbon is 7kg but mine is longer but the same volume so I expect it will be around that mark.

So if a carbon 9'5 x 32, 140Lt approx 7kg and my Naish Mana 10x 33 is 12kg you would presume the Mad Dog is the same construction as the Mana so it would sit around the 7Kg mark give or take. Mad Dog is 101lt and Mana 190lt so it's close enough don't you think, 1kg differential would make no difference, they all get heavy the longer the walk.

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justaddwater said..
The weight of a brand new board with fins and grip is extremely important,to me ,not just for performance ect,but for future dings /weight gain !!!

Dont do this.
Weights on new boards can vary by up to 10% (-5% to +5%) around the stated weight, building boards is still a (mostly) manual process.

Personally weight precisely every board you buy, this is the only way to have a reference precise enough to actually check water entry later on.
I use a luggage scale precise to the gram, they are cheap, with a stand to keep the board stable:

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Slab said..
The poor chap asking about the weight of a Mad Dog still isn't close to getting an answer from anyone. I think we somewhat went off on a tangent on his thread .

Ha ha it would have been pretty boring if i just got a answer straight away.

The previous years model, which I have, did have the weights on the Naish website. Strange not to have it on this one??
All good, ill just go into a shop and pick one up.

I'm just speaking for myself here. For me, every piece of info of a board is important and should be disclosed openly by the brand. A boards weight is a major factor for me when deciding on which one to purchase. Just as length and width are important to me for gauging paddle power and stability, swing weight of a board will also influence my decision. And I know Jimmy Lewis boards have a great strong construction. We all know. I just think that all brands should state all details. After all. These things cost a heap of cash. We should be told everything