It's funny how boards always look better than in drawings... I can say the same for bicycles etc.
Select to expand quoteSurlygringo said..Kisutch said..
The new Infinity Wide Speed is interesting - it's marketed as a voluptuous board for heavy fellas, but there's a 7-7x 28 @ 100L and in some of the pics the outline looks very similar to JL Worldwide, bevelled rails look crazy.
I like the look of the beveled rails as well. Too bad we won't see any until next Fall.
Be carefull with beveled rails if you do encounter choppy conditons regurlarly.
I had a F-One Papennoo-like custom board with bevelled rails, 7'11 x 30, tomo shape,130 liters for a 92 kg intermediate/advanced rider.
Really good and stable in glassy conditions, but the hell when chop showed up.
The bevels seemed to amplify the chop and the board felt 20+ liters smaller
It is certainly possible beveled rails will make the board less stable in chop. I would imagine it depends on the way they are shaped. I couldn't even guess what they will do without seeing an actual board. I have ridden a couple boards with bevels that didn't seem to affect stability, although they were pretty soft and they did not go as far back as the drawing indicates they do on the Wide Speed.
The rail bevels are made to help the board roll into a turn. But thus they also "help" the board roll underfoot while paddling.
The F-One SUP shaper (Remi Quique) copied the one made on the prone "Superfrog" and Bic longboards shaped by Gerard Dabbadie. But on prone board they did not have the issue with lateral stability when paddling.
Compromises...
changing topic slightly - does optimal shape depend on power of mushy waves? Yesterday the swell was ~ 7ft. @ 11s and some of the set waves were solidly overhead, but peeling really slow and not steep. I really like how my Blurr V2 handles these waves in terms of being nimble and smooth rail to rail; for my skill level, feels easier to do a backside cutback on V2 than my Worldwide (which is bigger so not fair comparison), same with navigating whitewater to finish the cutback. But I can see how a board that was inherently faster would be a blast...
Select to expand quoteKisutch said..
changing topic slightly - does optimal shape depend on power of mushy waves? Yesterday the swell was ~ 7ft. @ 11s and some of the set waves were solidly overhead, but peeling really slow and not steep. I really like how my Blurr V2 handles these waves in terms of being nimble and smooth rail to rail; for my skill level, feels easier to do a backside cutback on V2 than my Worldwide (which is bigger so not fair comparison), same with navigating whitewater to finish the cutback. But I can see how a board that was inherently faster would be a blast...
The short answer is: it depends:) In small mushy waves a faster board is usually more fun. There are myriad ways to make a board faster ranging from longboards to very short boards that pump well. In the case of an overhead wave that is mushy it seems like the V2 might be a pretty nice ride. Are you finding it to be slow even if you pump it, or is it just a matter of figuring out how to make it go fast in those waves?
Select to expand quoteSurlygringo said..Kisutch said..
changing topic slightly - does optimal shape depend on power of mushy waves? Yesterday the swell was ~ 7ft. @ 11s and some of the set waves were solidly overhead, but peeling really slow and not steep. I really like how my Blurr V2 handles these waves in terms of being nimble and smooth rail to rail; for my skill level, feels easier to do a backside cutback on V2 than my Worldwide (which is bigger so not fair comparison), same with navigating whitewater to finish the cutback. But I can see how a board that was inherently faster would be a blast...
The short answer is: it depends:) In small mushy waves a faster board is usually more fun. There are myriad ways to make a board faster ranging from longboards to very short boards that pump well. In the case of an overhead wave that is mushy it seems like the V2 might be a pretty nice ride. Are you finding it to be slow even if you pump it, or is it just a matter of figuring out how to make it go fast in those waves?
Nearly all of the solid mushy waves I've gotten this winter were lefts (my backside) and I'm not very good at pumping on that side or making speed from compression/extension on bottom turn/cutback, but waves were big enough to go fairly fast without trying. Hopefully can keep getting practice on them
Select to expand quoteKisutch said..Surlygringo said..Kisutch said..
changing topic slightly - does optimal shape depend on power of mushy waves? Yesterday the swell was ~ 7ft. @ 11s and some of the set waves were solidly overhead, but peeling really slow and not steep. I really like how my Blurr V2 handles these waves in terms of being nimble and smooth rail to rail; for my skill level, feels easier to do a backside cutback on V2 than my Worldwide (which is bigger so not fair comparison), same with navigating whitewater to finish the cutback. But I can see how a board that was inherently faster would be a blast...
The short answer is: it depends:) In small mushy waves a faster board is usually more fun. There are myriad ways to make a board faster ranging from longboards to very short boards that pump well. In the case of an overhead wave that is mushy it seems like the V2 might be a pretty nice ride. Are you finding it to be slow even if you pump it, or is it just a matter of figuring out how to make it go fast in those waves?
Nearly all of the solid mushy waves I've gotten this winter were lefts (my backside) and I'm not very good at pumping on that side or making speed from compression/extension on bottom turn/cutback, but waves were big enough to go fairly fast without trying. Hopefully can keep getting practice on them
Narrower tail = easier to turn on backside. Heaps of people say the same thing about surfing Fish shaped surfboards...
Select to expand quoteKisutch said..Surlygringo said..Kisutch said..
changing topic slightly - does optimal shape depend on power of mushy waves? Yesterday the swell was ~ 7ft. @ 11s and some of the set waves were solidly overhead, but peeling really slow and not steep. I really like how my Blurr V2 handles these waves in terms of being nimble and smooth rail to rail; for my skill level, feels easier to do a backside cutback on V2 than my Worldwide (which is bigger so not fair comparison), same with navigating whitewater to finish the cutback. But I can see how a board that was inherently faster would be a blast...
The short answer is: it depends:) In small mushy waves a faster board is usually more fun. There are myriad ways to make a board faster ranging from longboards to very short boards that pump well. In the case of an overhead wave that is mushy it seems like the V2 might be a pretty nice ride. Are you finding it to be slow even if you pump it, or is it just a matter of figuring out how to make it go fast in those waves?
Nearly all of the solid mushy waves I've gotten this winter were lefts (my backside) and I'm not very good at pumping on that side or making speed from compression/extension on bottom turn/cutback, but waves were big enough to go fairly fast without trying. Hopefully can keep getting practice on them
Pumping backside does feel a little less intuitive when you are starting out. It is really the just same thing as frontside. Once you feel it you will have it.
Select to expand quoteHoppo3228 said..Kisutch said..Surlygringo said..Kisutch said..
changing topic slightly - does optimal shape depend on power of mushy waves? Yesterday the swell was ~ 7ft. @ 11s and some of the set waves were solidly overhead, but peeling really slow and not steep. I really like how my Blurr V2 handles these waves in terms of being nimble and smooth rail to rail; for my skill level, feels easier to do a backside cutback on V2 than my Worldwide (which is bigger so not fair comparison), same with navigating whitewater to finish the cutback. But I can see how a board that was inherently faster would be a blast...
The short answer is: it depends:) In small mushy waves a faster board is usually more fun. There are myriad ways to make a board faster ranging from longboards to very short boards that pump well. In the case of an overhead wave that is mushy it seems like the V2 might be a pretty nice ride. Are you finding it to be slow even if you pump it, or is it just a matter of figuring out how to make it go fast in those waves?
Nearly all of the solid mushy waves I've gotten this winter were lefts (my backside) and I'm not very good at pumping on that side or making speed from compression/extension on bottom turn/cutback, but waves were big enough to go fairly fast without trying. Hopefully can keep getting practice on them
Narrower tail = easier to turn on backside. Heaps of people say the same thing about surfing Fish shaped surfboards...
YES .hoppo ,backside a pin or rounded pin is always better ,less area to push ,
