Hi
Most of my spots have better waves from mid to high tide. The waves then are slower. At low tide the waves are much faster but break much worse, so I prefer mid to high tide.
Therefore, I look for boards with good glide but also as good manoeuvrability as possible. In the market there are different options: Longboards, tomo short boards and midle lenght mixed style boards. I've tested/had the two last types and prefer the last one.
Longboards performance is clear, lot of glide, stable, turny if you step back, but lots of swing weight and difficult to put inside the car
The tomo short boards use to be quite flat, very few rocker, very poor glide, and very wide tails you have to make a big displacement of your back foot to step on the rail and turn. I don't understand why are good for slow waves because they need some slope to catch the waves. Later they can be very turny in small waves, but first you have to catch it. Besides, as they are very flat are not polyvalent to use in a bit faster and hollower waves.
For me the mixture is the best recipe. Boards with a part of flat hull but a good rockered on nose and tail, good length to have glide for soft waves, and rockered nose and tail for tight turning and a little bit faster waves. I only know the Fanatic Stubby, Loco Hybrid, and Gong 8'0" NFA, no more. Being a light guy there are few of them around 100 l. If you know any other model please tell me.
Point of view of an intermediate with few good surfing days on weekends, wanting to have fun as many days as possible, with only one sup board for everything.
Sunova flow ,has speed ,has looseness ,good amount or rocker to handle steep waves as well ..its a great allrounder ,
Jimmy Lewis Worldwide.
Nothing else I have surfed has come close to it in smaller conditions.
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I don't understand why are good for slow waves because they need some slope to catch the waves.
Well, this shows how it is hard to advise people over the internet.
These boards can take off quite early with a bit of technique, to use the width of the tail as leverage. You need to feel where is the "bump" of the wave and time your body movements to push on it. This is why for instance Gong does not advise "Tomo" SUPs for people with not enough surfing experience, who need length to compensate for less wave knowledge.
This is just to answer your "I don't understand". You are absolutely entitled to prefer gliding mindlessly into a wave rather than having to "hunt" for the best time&place for the takeoff.
As for my advice, what you may enjoy is a "just a bit shorter" longboard, e.g. in the 8'6" range, not a full 9'. Something with a flat rocker for early wave entry, but a pulled in tail and rocker to handle more size. E.g. Some friends here enjoy a lot the 8'5" Gong Zero (longboard SUP), but most brands have these kind of boards: JL Destroyer, Infinity new deal, SB Wedge, ... the list goes on.
Select to expand quotecolas said..Mucel said..
I don't understand why are good for slow waves because they need some slope to catch the waves.
Well, this shows how it is hard to advise people over the internet.
These boards can take off quite early with a bit of technique, to use the width of the tail as leverage. You need to feel where is the "bump" of the wave and time your body movements to push on it. This is why for instance Gong does not advise "Tomo" SUPs for people with not enough surfing experience, who need length to compensate for less wave knowledge.
This is just to answer your "I don't understand". You are absolutely entitled to prefer gliding mindlessly into a wave rather than having to "hunt" for the best time&place for the takeoff.
As for my advice, what you may enjoy is a "just a bit shorter" longboard, e.g. in the 8'6" range, not a full 9'. Something with a flat rocker for early wave entry, but a pulled in tail and rocker to handle more size. E.g. Some friends here enjoy a lot the 8'5" Gong Zero (longboard SUP), but most brands have these kind of boards: JL Destroyer, Infinity new deal, SB Wedge, ... the list goes on.
Thanks all.
Regarding size, I don't need 8'5", I manage pretty well around 8'0", wide nose and 100 litres. The problem is that in many cases, the 8'0"s have too much volume and width (115 litres x 30") or if you look for 100 litres then you have the JL Destroyer at 7'7", too short. The ranges are not made for light people.
On the other hand, most of the spots in Europe are fully booked of prone surfers, so I prefer to go to secondary peaks or spots with currents to avoid problems. At these peaks the waves are worse so the tomo boards are not applicable. You need a 8'0", wide nose and stable board.
8' x28" x 101ltr infinity New Deal. The longer ones surf great. I have not surfed an 8'0" yet, but I did have a chance to check one out in person and they look like a really fun board that fits your requirements exactly.
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8' x28" x 101ltr infinity New Deal. The longer ones surf great. I have not surfed an 8'0" yet, but I did have a chance to check one out in person and they look like a really fun board that fits your requirements exactly.
After reading into the posts more, a 8'0" New Deal sounds perfect. You could also do a Sunova custom to suit volume etc.
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Regarding size, I don't need 8'5", I manage pretty well around 8'0",
Also, don't forget the weight in the equation.
A light 8'5" will fell nimbler than a heavy 8'0"...
Select to expand quoteHoppo3228 said..Surlygringo said..
8' x28" x 101ltr infinity New Deal. The longer ones surf great. I have not surfed an 8'0" yet, but I did have a chance to check one out in person and they look like a really fun board that fits your requirements exactly.
After reading into the posts more, a 8'0" New Deal sounds perfect. You could also do a Sunova custom to suit volume etc.
Yeah the 8' New Deal sounds super fun. I've never seen one in real life or read a review of any kind. Doesn't seem like there are many out in the wild yet.
I still have a ton of fun on my smaller pulled-in shape (Blurr V2) when waves are mushy.
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Jimmy Lewis Worldwide.
Nothing else I have surfed has come close to it in smaller conditions.
Hoppo,
Please tell us in detail why and reasons! For example, the WW is not listed as a groveler like the SFrank, is not a long board often used, etc. Insights much appreciated.
Select to expand quotebillekrub said..Hoppo3228 said..
Jimmy Lewis Worldwide.
Nothing else I have surfed has come close to it in smaller conditions.
Hoppo,
Please tell us in detail why and reasons! For example, the WW is not listed as a groveler like the SFrank, is not a long board often used, etc. Insights much appreciated.
Hey mate,
Wide tail, flat/single/double bottom, flattish tail rocker, thickish rails make it skate = fast, super light weight = easy to rip.
I've been PM'ing Thegreatsup a lot about a WW as he found one that come up for sale in NZ second hand... His thoughts sum it up pretty nicely. www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/Best-one-board-quiver--Getting-the-FROTH-back-?page=1#16
The Super Frank has basically replaced it in the range, but it still is an awesome HP sup for smaller conditions. It is the only board I now have regret in selling - so much so, that I might just order another one...
Hi Mucel, Have you considered going custom?with what you describe you know what you want and any shaper can build you something like that.About the Tomo shapes: I,m close to 100kg and live in the netherlands. The UK blocks most of the waves so what we have is slow and crap. In such conditions, but also the slower days in French Brittany or North of Spain I really like the Hypernut for that kind of conditions.
Yes it needs a peak to get started, but it generates speed in slow mushy stuff, allows you to turn tight while the wide tail prevent from sinking too much. The trick is that that they are rather weight to size critical: Too small and the concept won,t work, too big and it skips out. When it gets big and steep they are limited, but if you wanna stick with 1 board I would go for something that you use most of the times instead of conditions you dream of (or end up like me with 6 boards
and have a problem choosing what boards to bring).
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Hi Mucel, Have you considered going custom?with what you describe you know what you want and any shaper can build you something like that.About the Tomo shapes: I,m close to 100kg and live in the netherlands. The UK blocks most of the waves so what we have is slow and crap. In such conditions, but also the slower days in French Brittany or North of Spain I really like the Hypernut for that kind of conditions.
Yes it needs a peak to get started, but it generates speed in slow mushy stuff, allows you to turn tight while the wide tail prevent from sinking too much. The trick is that that they are rather weight to size critical: Too small and the concept won,t work, too big and it skips out. When it gets big and steep they are limited, but if you wanna stick with 1 board I would go for something that you use most of the times instead of conditions you dream of (or end up like me with 6 boards and have a problem choosing what boards to bring).
Hi Jeroensurf
I'm considering custom seriously, thanks.
Cheers
Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..
Hi Mucel, Have you considered going custom?with what you describe you know what you want and any shaper can build you something like that.About the Tomo shapes: I,m close to 100kg and live in the netherlands. The UK blocks most of the waves so what we have is slow and crap. In such conditions, but also the slower days in French Brittany or North of Spain I really like the Hypernut for that kind of conditions.
Yes it needs a peak to get started, but it generates speed in slow mushy stuff, allows you to turn tight while the wide tail prevent from sinking too much. The trick is that that they are rather weight to size critical: Too small and the concept won,t work, too big and it skips out. When it gets big and steep they are limited, but if you wanna stick with 1 board I would go for something that you use most of the times instead of conditions you dream of (or end up like me with 6 boards and have a problem choosing what boards to bring).
What size Hypernut did you ride at 100kg?
The 7.8x30x115l and 7.10x31.5x131l.The 7.8 is great in cleanish conditions. unfortunately those days are very rare here so I bought the 7.10.It works great in pretty much everything Use my Starboard 10x29x123l longboard as well.
For better/cleaner/faster waves I have an 8.3x30x115lcustom, an Smik Hipster 8.3x31x123l and the former model Spitfire 8.6x30x126l.
Reason I ask is I'm 93kg and use the 4-in-1 for light wind wavesailing and windfoiling. Only tried it paddling on a lake and very challenging. I've heard you want maybe 10-15L over body weight with these shapes.
Do you have the 7.4 or the 8ft?The 7.4 is challenging for your weight in everything but perfect clean conditions with a longer period (something we have twice a year maybe). The 8.0 is more or less the same shape as my 7.10 (and my floatiest board).
That rule of +10 sounds okay, but is also very much depending om your local conditions.The 7.8 x118l of my pal is great in most moderate conditions except the chaos/mess, max 5secc period and strong current we have here in the Netherlands and going 1 size up, up to +30-40l doesnt hurt either:
With close to 100kg, or over it with my wetsuit on it still turns really good, but you can,t supersize it like the Widepoint/Wedge/ more traditional shapes like the Element where you can get away with volumes that doubles your bodyweight.
Still the limit of an Hypernut is how steep of a wave you can surf with it without pro skills, and back OT, that is a bit of a catch: for low slow waves you need a bit of foam, a bit wider tail to keep speed and all those things work against you when the waves get faster and steeper, so an 1 board quiver is also about making compromises and accepting it won't perform in every situation.
It's the 7'4"
Locally we get long period swell, or windswell. However the moment it's windswell I'm plugging in a sail.
Grantmac,
I realize it is a bit off topic, but I would be curious to know how well the hypernut sails without the foil. All the reviews I read only address windfoiling. I would also love an opinion on how much the extra weight of the foil boxes affects their surfing performance, but I understand from your post above that you haven't surfed yours.
again, my apologies for the hijack.
Surly,
Honestly I haven't had a really break out session on it.
I can say that it will plane but takes more power than my 104L waveboard to keep going. Doesn't seem to turn as well as that board either, but it uphauls and slogs much easier. I think if I dropped 10kg it would be significantly better.
Also it feels like the mast track is too far forward since everything happens off the tail. Currently trying to decide if I want to install a longer one.
The board has an SUP rocker, and that is sign more as any windsurf planing shape.Great for slogging in virt no wind, but for planing wavesailing even an 20l smaller board is probably quicker up to plane.I windsurf foiled one a couple of times and that was good fun.
Not a 20L smaller board at my weight at least.
The Hypernut WILL plane but not really upwind, trucks upwind on the rail pretty okay. I only use it for groundswell on days I'm not confident in being able to waterstart since I lack the balance to uphaul a narrow board. I haven't been able to say whether it can out turn a bigger FSW though, I think I need to get waaay further back on the tail then I have been.
Thanks for the info. I figured it would be draggy due to the rocker, but good to know that you can get it planing at least some of the time with enough power. Also good to know about the mast foot placement. I will probably just add a track or an insert to a regular board as I don't need the foil boxes. I don't have consistent wind so can't justify an extra board, but something I can uphaul in the lulls and have a bit of fun on could have some utility. I did have a 1st gen hypernut for a couple years so I know I like how they surf.
Are you looking for a SUP that can wavesail or actually thinking about trying to sail it on flatter water? Because I wouldn't touch it unless there is breaking swell, it's too draggy to be fun and a cheap freeride board would be a far better option.
Honestly if not foiling I'd look at a Sealion instead. They are shockingly good wavesailing boards.
I was actually thinking flat water as I am usually happy surfing prone or sup when I have access to waves. It sounds like it wouldn't make sense even if I was just looking at it as a novelty ride to break up the monotony of paddling when I am stuck inland. I get that a freeride board would make way more sense, but lack of storage and an aversion to lots of equipment rule that out for me. In a perfect world I would prefer to just have a 6' shortboard, so a sup is enough of a compromise. thank you again for your advice.
The new Infinity Wide Speed is interesting - it's marketed as a voluptuous board for heavy fellas, but there's a 7-7x 28 @ 100L and in some of the pics the outline looks very similar to JL Worldwide, bevelled rails look crazy.
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I was actually thinking flat water as I am usually happy surfing prone or sup when I have access to waves. It sounds like it wouldn't make sense even if I was just looking at it as a novelty ride to break up the monotony of paddling when I am stuck inland. I get that a freeride board would make way more sense, but lack of storage and an aversion to lots of equipment rule that out for me. In a perfect world I would prefer to just have a 6' shortboard, so a sup is enough of a compromise. thank you again for your advice.
I can't think of a worse board for those conditions.
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The new Infinity Wide Speed is interesting - it's marketed as a voluptuous board for heavy fellas, but there's a 7-7x 28 @ 100L and in some of the pics the outline looks very similar to JL Worldwide, bevelled rails look crazy.
I like the look of the beveled rails as well. Too bad we won't see any until next Fall.
Yeah and you'd think that date is probably unlikely given all the challenges. Here's pics I saw on web today, looks more appealing to me than the illustrations on the site
