Looking for some advice- I took he Armstrong plunge wanted 2 setups. Love Kujira (prone) regularly getting connections and doing pretty well. Love the way the 1550 V2 / 1125 w V tailand the way they turn but struggling to get the same pump feels as takuma. Only had a handful of sessions but I'm collapsing the v2 constantly when pumping -way diff feel then takuma, I can push as hard as I want on the pump w takuma but the same technique isn't working w V2. Actually having more success w 1125. Anyone made the switch and can offer some thoughts?
Riding 4 6" prone w Armstrong full forward in the box w takuma about 3/4 forward. I'm sure I'll sort it out but I'll take any thoughts!
cheers from N Florida!

I presume the 1550 v2 is similar surface area as the Kujira? Both medium high aspect or the 1550 V2 higher/lower overall? similar mast height ?
if so try:

- flip the mast plate to board chips to put your board forward more.

-2 shim. (Will give more front foot pressure and reduce the collapse / stall).

- try a V tail

- even better pair it with a KD Maui tail

- then there is the chop idea all with the above

ps I use a chopped 1250, V tail with a -2 shim when proning. Not sure id use the 1550 unless really small.

Unusual that your collapsing the pump on the 1550 but not the 1125, it would normally be the other way around for sure.Maybe something to do with your setup , there are so many options for tuning Armstrong with fuses/shims/tails took me about 6 sessions to get the 1125 setup, but now it's amazing and absolute pumping /gliding machine.Sounds like it's not setup right for you atm.

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db541 said..
Looking for some advice- I took he Armstrong plunge wanted 2 setups. Love Kujira (prone) regularly getting connections and doing pretty well. Love the way the 1550 V2 / 1125 w V tailand the way they turn but struggling to get the same pump feels as takuma. Only had a handful of sessions but I'm collapsing the v2 constantly when pumping -way diff feel then takuma, I can push as hard as I want on the pump w takuma but the same technique isn't working w V2. Actually having more success w 1125. Anyone made the switch and can offer some thoughts?
Riding 4 6" prone w Armstrong full forward in the box w takuma about 3/4 forward. I'm sure I'll sort it out but I'll take any thoughts!
cheers from N Florida!

The 1125 pumps better than the 1550 V2. What shim are you using? If you are heavy (85kg +) then -2 might help. Do not use the stock -1 setup. At least go 0 and try the +1 if light and fit.
-2 shim hack is reverse a +1 shim and trim to fit.

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db541 said..
Looking for some advice- I took he Armstrong plunge wanted 2 setups. Love Kujira (prone) regularly getting connections and doing pretty well. Love the way the 1550 V2 / 1125 w V tailand the way they turn but struggling to get the same pump feels as takuma. Only had a handful of sessions but I'm collapsing the v2 constantly when pumping -way diff feel then takuma, I can push as hard as I want on the pump w takuma but the same technique isn't working w V2. Actually having more success w 1125. Anyone made the switch and can offer some thoughts?
Riding 4 6" prone w Armstrong full forward in the box w takuma about 3/4 forward. I'm sure I'll sort it out but I'll take any thoughts!
cheers from N Florida!

What size Kujira

Thanks guys-
1210 kujira w takuma base shim/ uni 18 tail chopped to 14 w a neg shim
florida surf ( small)

armstrong a+ so no neg 2 option ordered KE Maui shim kit based on reading here
72 mast

-1 shim (none) thats the set degree on A+

Tried w and w out foil hat base shim but last sesh no base shim

yes 1125 more technical but seem to get it going better than 1550 v2.

Kujira i I feel I can push as hard as I want w front foot once I'm pumping. 1550v2 I can collapse so easily. I feel Armstrong wants a more both leg feathered approach. It's what I would call a maintenance pump on Kujira.

This is only refers to pumping back outside on the waves it's great. I know the 1125 I will sort out. It's the 1550 I'm more concerned w.

Using V tail.

Anyone had same feels.

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db541 said..armstrong a+ so no neg 2 option

Disagree, see my hack above. Extremely easy and works fine.

Hilly
"-2 shim hack is reverse a +1 shim and trim to fit."


What did you use to trim the shim?

I found I had similar issues with the 1125/1250 and v tail.

I also ran the uni race tail chopped down to 13.5" on my previous setup. I could pump that for days and get multiple link ups. I found on the Armstrong I couldn't accelerate my pump back up to speed and just dropped. Also felt too locked in, and if I pumped hard it pushed through the water instead of accelerating.

I've just had a breakthrough with mine by Chopping the winglets off the v tail and running the 0 deg shim.. I've also found doing lighter pulses with my pump made a big difference along with keeping it HIGH on the mast. This has worked for me I hope that gives some insight for you.

Ah crap I forgot about the other option mentioned above. Yeh stay high on the mast - lighter pulses to bring it up then you can push harder and will get more forward speed.

Over exaggerate the up pump (sending your arms up quickly helps - and also throwing them back quite far (hence they have a bigger arc coming back up!!). The "up"
is way more important than the "down" pump



hey Wicka what shim did you have on then before you went to zero and chopped your V tail tips. ? More yaw now on the pump ??


ya reckon it's the chop or the shim that's making the bigger difference ?

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Foilnut said..What did you use to trim the shim?

pair of side cutter and a bit sand paper.

Gents thanks for the help. I'll work on the -2 shim and the technique. Glad I'm not the only one.

Wicca are you thinking chopping the winglets helped the pump or just the locked feel?

Funny, on takuma that big heavy front foot pump would dig you out of the hole and got you up high on foil then you could do the little pumps and go for long runs. Sounds the opposite for Armstrong. Looking forward to working on it!

And also eppo I'll try this "up" on the pump on takuma it's all about the "down" on the pump! No wonder I'm struggling.....

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eppo said..
Ah crap I forgot about the other option mentioned above. Yeh stay high on the mast - lighter pulses to bring it up then you can push harder and will get more forward speed.

Over exaggerate the up pump (sending your arms up quickly helps - and also throwing them back quite far (hence they have a bigger arc coming back up!!). The "up"
is way more important than the "down" pump



hey Wicka what shim did you have on then before you went to zero and chopped your V tail tips. ? More yaw now on the pump ??


ya reckon it's the chop or the shim that's making the bigger difference ?

I tried heaps of different shims before I chopped the winglets. I've only tried the 0 shim since chopping, Technically running 0 degs should have the least amount of drag. Unless there is a degree built into the stab. I might try some other shims soon but I'm happy with it for now.
I honestly think the chopped winglets made the most difference. Reduced the drag, it just feels faster and smooth, not as twitchy at higher speeds. There is less yaw stability but I like that as I was previously riding a unifoil flat race tail that has the least amount of drag for any stab I've tried so far, but that comes with the yaw movement, but you get use to it fairly fast.

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Gents thanks for the help. I'll work on the -2 shim and the technique. Glad I'm not the only one.

Wicca are you thinking chopping the winglets helped the pump or just the locked feel?

Funny, on takuma that big heavy front foot pump would dig you out of the hole and got you up high on foil then you could do the little pumps and go for long runs. Sounds the opposite for Armstrong. Looking forward to working on it!

yeah I think it helped heaps with both aspects!
ive ridden my mates takuma lol 1300 and that also had heaps of possitive foot pressure! It's definitely way different to the Armstrong! Stick at it, it will start coming together. It's slowly coming together for me. Haha

The Kujira 1210 might be the single best pumping wing out there right now. So keep in mind that you might not be able to match it

I'd give up some pump for the sweet feel of the Armstrong on turns. Always a compromise. Had a good sesh today in waist to chest onshore w the *1 shim (so zero ) and I threw the takuma base plate shim in on the Armstrong - better. Def a gentler feel on the pump but progress was made. Gonna try and wait for Kane shims or sacrifice one of the Armstrong shims and reverse it. I'll let you know how it goes after a few more sessions.
Coming from the uni race chopped maybe I'll be chopping the V. Anyone played w base plate shims on Armstrong?

Thanks gents- appreciated for reals!

Thank wicka

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I'd give up some pump for the sweet feel of the Armstrong on turns. Always a compromise. Had a good sesh today in waist to chest onshore w the *1 shim (so zero ) and I threw the takuma base plate shim in on the Armstrong - better. Def a gentler feel on the pump but progress was made. Gonna try and wait for Kane shims or sacrifice one of the Armstrong shims and reverse it. I'll let you know how it goes after a few more sessions.
Coming from the uni race chopped maybe I'll be chopping the V. Anyone played w base plate shims on Armstrong?

Thanks gents- appreciated for reals!

Nice work! That was my rationale for chopping my wing tips and it worked really well! Let us know how you go if you chop.

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I'd give up some pump for the sweet feel of the Armstrong on turns. Always a compromise. Had a good sesh today in waist to chest onshore w the *1 shim (so zero ) and I threw the takuma base plate shim in on the Armstrong - better. Def a gentler feel on the pump but progress was made. Gonna try and wait for Kane shims or sacrifice one of the Armstrong shims and reverse it. I'll let you know how it goes after a few more sessions.
Coming from the uni race chopped maybe I'll be chopping the V. Anyone played w base plate shims on Armstrong?

Thanks gents- appreciated for reals!

Base plate ? Is that for the mast plate ? To give more front foot pressure ?

That was the thought works a treat on Kujira

I've seen some army crew using shimmed down bread boards for mast plates. I find the -2 shim kind of helps anyhow. But shimming the entire base plate might be worth a thought for sure.

Do you adjust the mast position in board according to foil? I've found that each foil has it's optimum position where it seems to pump more willingly. I'm not a great pumper (not for lack of trying) so not sure what the pro's have observed?

Wizard hat makes shims the you can use for Armstrong. All the way forward in the box seems to be the move for Armstrong. takuma was further back- more lfit overall.

I'm def gonna try -2 and base plate, at least til I get the pump sorted.

So some positive feels. Finally got a clean buttery day! Takuma TK 45 very flat bottom - nobase shim. Helped a ton. If your board has tail rocker than maybe base plate shim. The plus 1 shim makes it zero so that helps too! Easy pumps to get it high then you can get the high tap pump going and the big pump when you need it! Had 2 triple dips and a few double dips and some nice carving connections on the V2 1550 w v tail. Still want to try -2 shim especially for small days. Also want to try 1125 w same set up.
Thanks for the help all!

Arnnie Armstrong said the vtail if screwed on without any shim on the A Plus fuselarge is set at minus one so to get to 0 posistion you need a plus one shim ,i found that most tail wings for me as being i light rider i always set my tail wings to plus one hence now i have plus two .