Rear wing up or down?

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stevet73
stevet73
NSW
241 posts
NSW, 241 posts
20 Oct 2018 8:50am
I picked up a used 'china rip off' all carbon surf foil (based on the lift foil template) just for pure curiosity to play around on a prone board-have sup foiling down. The rear wing fits seamlessly facing down but I had always assumed the rear wing goes up - which I did manage to fit it facing up with some new screws...although not quite as neat alignment.

80% of the pics I looked at online has the front wing down/rear wing up BUT there was a couple with the rear wing down.

Any thoughts?





DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
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VIC, 17570 posts
20 Oct 2018 9:34am
Nice rug..
stevet73
stevet73
NSW
241 posts
NSW, 241 posts
20 Oct 2018 12:02pm
DavidJohn said..
Nice rug..


Ha! Yes. It does have that 'keys in the bowl/swingers club's vibe.

Suits the man shed well.....
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2897 posts
SA, 2897 posts
20 Oct 2018 11:52am
Whichever way means the rear wing pushes down.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
20 Oct 2018 12:58pm
Try it and see. If you can't tell then it doesn't matter.
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
2360 posts
NSW, 2360 posts
20 Oct 2018 4:48pm
I have Naish foils and stab is tip down.
I did try it tips up to minimize contact with the bottom but was a no go so tips down for Naish SUP foils.
Some are up and some are down.
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
WA, 3509 posts
20 Oct 2018 3:22pm
If it fits seamlessly with tips down then that is probably the way it is designed to go.

Heaps of foils do.
stevet73
stevet73
NSW
241 posts
NSW, 241 posts
20 Oct 2018 8:10pm
Thanks folks....so maybe it is rear wing down after all. As it's a lift foil 'rip off', I checked the lift foil profile and their rear wing is definitely up.....but if u guyscare calling wings down is really not that strange then I'll indeed run it both ways.

Anyone savvy with the 'rear wings up vs. down' hydrodynamics? Or is it really like a box of chocolates..to use forest gump analogy...
DWF
DWF
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DWF DWF
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20 Oct 2018 5:59pm
Put a level on the rear wing. Figure out which way it's creating lift downward. Then you got it right.
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
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NSW, 2360 posts
20 Oct 2018 9:46pm
1mm aoa makes a huge difference.
The test is where you need to put your back leg for lift off and comfort on the fly.
If to far one way or the other for your comfort stance then adjust aoa.
Works for me.
stevet73
stevet73
NSW
241 posts
NSW, 241 posts
21 Oct 2018 3:09pm
foilSURFmachines said..
Put a level on the rear wing. Figure out which way it's creating lift downward. Then you got it right.


Thanks fSm for that suggestion. I may be a bit special but Im not sure what you mean....
warwickl said..
1mm aoa makes a huge difference.
The test is where you need to put your back leg for lift off and comfort on the fly.
If to far one way or the other for your comfort stance then adjust aoa.
Works for me.


And thanks warwickl. What does the "aoa" acronym mean? Also, back foot usually doesn't move - once up? Im not sure what you mean....again, I may be a bit special....
stevet73
stevet73
NSW
241 posts
NSW, 241 posts
21 Oct 2018 3:12pm
The more I think about it twists my mind that you can have foils with rear wing up and some with rear wing down....fair enough there are some that are flat....but complete opposite?

Not seen any airplanes with a rear wing down as yet......is there a hydrodynamic nerd in the house? That can pitch at dummy level....
Fishdude
Fishdude
315 posts
315 posts
21 Oct 2018 3:58pm
The rear stab on a foil should have some small amount of angle to it that makes it want to move downward When travelling through the water. This in turn makes the front wing want to go upward. (A upward AOA... angle of attack)

So do like FoilSupMachine says it should help you find the correct way for your foil.

AOA angle of attack. You might want to look this up...
stevet73
stevet73
NSW
241 posts
NSW, 241 posts
21 Oct 2018 8:02pm
Thanks fishdude. So, if I'm understanding correctly, a rear wing must create a downward force to cause the opposite effect at the front wing..ie lift. The rear wing therefore can be facing up or down/mounted top or bottom BUT it's design will vary to create that same 'downward' force....

And angle of attack refers to the foil in relation to the wave angle/flow of water....I think....
toppleover
toppleover
QLD
2070 posts
QLD, 2070 posts
21 Oct 2018 7:22pm
90% of the foils I have seen have the rear stabilizer wing pointing down.
stevet73
stevet73
NSW
241 posts
NSW, 241 posts
21 Oct 2018 8:39pm
2018 foils seemed to be majority rear wing up.....now 2019 is looking rear wing down....fair call?
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