Might not be the cut of your Jib but a few brands and now bringing out wings like this eg:- Uni Vyper , Signature Game Changer , Axis BSC (Broad Spectrum Carve) & now Goil Foil EZ series plus Naish & Takuma. The idea of these slightly lower aspect wings lets the serious proner stick closer in the pocket without accelerating away and surfs so much better with a really tight turning arc and on top of all that they are way easier to ride and pump with a much lower collapse rate , plus they won't spit you off in broken water.

Yes they are a bit slower but speed isn't everything when it comes to jamming tight turns in a more critical situation on a foil. For sure yes is you just want to fly down the line and roll off a connect one or two behind , go the HA series wings . ( Disclaimer here I'm not an Axis team rider) Just loving my time on the Axis 890 BSC , when I finally jumped on one as soon as I got up it was a Holly F+ck moment & I was pumping crop circles , seriously the easiest thing I have ever ridden & my pump game is now 20 years my junior , why didn't I try this 6 months ago. The New Uni Vyper just looks insane but you just can't get one but the 1260 Signature Game changer is definitely a game-changer . Check out this link on my mate Erik from the progression report , bit younger than me but same body size just ripping buckets on it.

www.instagram.com/reel/CUvGNn-gW7L/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

The social media frothing on the new HA Katana style wings has unfortunately for some , probably most has foiled them into a black hole that can't pump back out of

GoFoil GT as well

Well I was talking about prone foils but yeah the GT too & good to see after all these years GF is finally putting up wing specs.

Comparison chart will be updated soon so everyone can geek out

Yep old is new again. Mid aspect is the best for carving swell. Armie 1050 is a blast.

Yeah Hilly totally agree, it was a wake up call when these video came up in my FB feed from 2.5 years ago on the original Neil Pryde small low aspect wing. I reckon I've gone backwards on the HA wings .

HA wings have their place, just not around decent sized steep waves

We've been windfoiling the Infinity 65 mid-aspect wing for 2 years.
65cm, 840 cm2, thin profile.
Fast, controllable and super-carvey

Have to agree with Piros as I cant say enough good things about the Axis 890 BSC in my case for supfoiling.originally got it for winging in higher winds at 225lbs but tried it one day supfoiling and really blew me away how well it handled in decent size foil surf.Just dont think you need a HA wing in the waves with all the existing wave energy 890 goes plenty fast.I got the feeling on my first session was like you get riding that magic surfboard for first time just felt so positively solid under my feet first go.have quite a few sessions with 890 and it just really is a great wing,gets better everytime.Been winging lately with the 980 and 1050 HPS but will have to try out the 890 soon on the ding,the big difference of the 890 BCS that Axis made with this semi midaspect wing is the thinness with the black fuse which really worked out well as it's quite fast for a mid aspect wing but it sure handles extremely well.The older lower aspect wings that were pretty thick were fairly sluggish compared to the 890

Hmm, The lift 120 ,Army 925 ,uni 150 hyper carve like surf wings at lower speeds but pump and glide way better. It's really only higher speed turns and low speed stall the old surf surf wings have the edge.......the gap has closed ,and I find it hard to ride the 1050 after being on the 925.

I have big hopes with the Unifoil Vyper !

Seems like shorter fus helps to get a surfy feeling, tighter turns, hitting the foam.

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frenchfoiler said..
I have big hopes with the Unifoil Vyper !

Seems like shorter fus helps to get a surfy feeling, tighter turns, hitting the foam.

It's somewhere between mid and high by the look of it......fine tuning even further !

Axis BCS 810 is working for me windwing, 76kg, definitely agree with comments above.
When very light wind I have HPS 1050 and 930.

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Hmm, The lift 120 ,Army 925 ,uni 150 hyper carve like surf wings at lower speeds but pump and glide way better. It's really only higher speed turns and low speed stall the old surf surf wings have the edge.......the gap has closed ,and I find it hard to ride the 1050 after being on the 925.

They are fine if you are light and in small swell. The mid aspects have a much wider range, especially for heavier folk.

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kobo said..
Hmm, The lift 120 ,Army 925 ,uni 150 hyper carve like surf wings at lower speeds but pump and glide way better. It's really only higher speed turns and low speed stall the old surf surf wings have the edge.......the gap has closed ,and I find it hard to ride the 1050 after being on the 925.

They are fine if you are light and in small swell. The mid aspects have a much wider range, especially for heavier folk.

I think the mid aspects have a better low range up to medium/fast, but I wouldn't say wider range ...as the HA extend into the upper end more with top speed and almost right down to the lower end especially for lighter riders as you say.
I can ride my 925 in waves as small as what I can ride the 1250, but the 925 handles bigger waves and steeper drops compared to the 1250 for me @ 80 kg. I can't pump out of a hole on the 925 but can on the 1250.
The section profiles are having an effect now too.....The new axis 999 is essentially a HA wing but with a thicker profile which gives it more bottom end but reduced top end , and the maximum lift is a a slower speed than say the Army 925 ......therefore the axis 999 suits heavier riders who don't like stalling at slower speeds. The 925 suits lighter riders ,who want maximum speed/glide and are not really effected by the higher stall speed that would annoy a heavier rider.

Good points Kobo , and for sure the mid aspect has it's limits at the top end and the HA's have their limits at the bottom end. The mids have an overall easier to ride feel and way more forgiving without that sudden collapse. As you said body weight plays a huge part in the HA's in what works for some but not others , again the mids can carry a much more diverse weight range.

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kobo said..
Hmm, The lift 120 ,Army 925 ,uni 150 hyper carve like surf wings at lower speeds but pump and glide way better. It's really only higher speed turns and low speed stall the old surf surf wings have the edge.......the gap has closed ,and I find it hard to ride the 1050 after being on the 925.

They are fine if you are light and in small swell. The mid aspects have a much wider range, especially for heavier folk.

I think the mid aspects have a better low range up to medium/fast, but I wouldn't say wider range ...as the HA extend into the upper end more with top speed and almost right down to the lower end especially for lighter riders as you say.
I can ride my 925 in waves as small as what I can ride the 1250, but the 925 handles bigger waves and steeper drops compared to the 1250 for me @ 80 kg. I can't pump out of a hole on the 925 but can on the 1250.
The section profiles are having an effect now too.....The new axis 999 is essentially a HA wing but with a thicker profile which gives it more bottom end but reduced top end , and the maximum lift is a a slower speed than say the Army 925 ......therefore the axis 999 suits heavier riders who don't like stalling at slower speeds. The 925 suits lighter riders ,who want maximum speed/glide and are not really effected by the higher stall speed that would annoy a heavier rider.

Comparing my 1250 and 1125 the only thing the HA does better is glide. The 1250 is way ahead for everything else.

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kobo said..

hilly said..

kobo said..
Hmm, The lift 120 ,Army 925 ,uni 150 hyper carve like surf wings at lower speeds but pump and glide way better. It's really only higher speed turns and low speed stall the old surf surf wings have the edge.......the gap has closed ,and I find it hard to ride the 1050 after being on the 925.

They are fine if you are light and in small swell. The mid aspects have a much wider range, especially for heavier folk.

I think the mid aspects have a better low range up to medium/fast, but I wouldn't say wider range ...as the HA extend into the upper end more with top speed and almost right down to the lower end especially for lighter riders as you say.
I can ride my 925 in waves as small as what I can ride the 1250, but the 925 handles bigger waves and steeper drops compared to the 1250 for me @ 80 kg. I can't pump out of a hole on the 925 but can on the 1250.
The section profiles are having an effect now too.....The new axis 999 is essentially a HA wing but with a thicker profile which gives it more bottom end but reduced top end , and the maximum lift is a a slower speed than say the Army 925 ......therefore the axis 999 suits heavier riders who don't like stalling at slower speeds. The 925 suits lighter riders ,who want maximum speed/glide and are not really effected by the higher stall speed that would annoy a heavier rider.

Comparing my 1250 and 1125 the only thing the HA does better is glide. The 1250 is way ahead for everything else.

Yeh the 1125 is an acquired taste ....I absolutely love it but it took a bit and I'm in the minority, The 925 is a different story though...plug and play

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kobo said.. The 925 is a different story though...plug and play

But too small for me

For sure, I think people assume that a certain wing feels the same to everybody, and don't take the weight of the rider or ( wing loading) into account.A 1250 @ 100kgs probs feels more like a 1050 @ 70 kgs ......than a 1250.

I have just got the 925 today and will try sup foiling it in the waves as soon as conditions allow. Today is onshore and 30 knots so not keen. I have a feeling that I will find it challenging as I seem to crash less on the 850 1050 1200 and 1550 compared to the 1250 which is slightly higher aspect. Will be interesting to see if I can handle the performance. 1050 and 925 in photo

Totally agree . until i saw bastion on a super high aspect patrick and my son antman on the 925 slotting in tight and carving the sh1t out of hunters.

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Totally agree . until i saw bastion on a super high aspect patrick and my son antman on the 925 slotting in tight and carving the sh1t out of hunters.

Both little people.

True and thats a major factor, but most arent your size hilly either.

This is why I love the Lift 150v2 Surf so much. It has a crazy amount of glide yet it just loves to turn in so many different conditions. Yes, it doesn't pump like the 120 but you can still double down quite easily and pump a fairway if you have the lungs.

I agree, extreme HA is a tempting road to nowhere interesting as far as i am concerned.

But like in any progressing sport foil design has to push the limits until it goes too far.

I think the design craze will eventually stabilize a bit and most users will choose more moderate,med aspect foils with a freeride program rather than max speed/glide as only goals.

Yeh i think you may be right.

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Yeh i think you may be right.

Have seen it in surfing and windsurfing. It is best to have a easy to ride option for most people. Light fit freaks can ride anything.

Had my first day of foiling on the axis 980 today, I have been on the 1010 and 860 ( red series). On the 980 I could pump and connect waves easily but still able to handle solid waves around head high or slightly overhead. The 860 could turn really nice, has a great surfy feel and handle some solid waves but I couldn't connect waves consistently. The 1010 I could pump and connect waves but definitely hit the top end in head high waves. I think the 980 could be a quiver killer for me at 100kgs on a sup and wing.

Anyway it's nice to have the smaller mid aspect and the bigger HA. The MA for actual good waves and the HA for milking crappier waves.

Also got an 810 BSC for the real waves

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Totally agree . until i saw bastion on a super high aspect patrick and my son antman on the 925 slotting in tight and carving the sh1t out of hunters.

Yeah up north recently I saw Bastion on the lift 120 pumping 300- 400 meters from the very inside of the bomby, connecting some overhead nugs and shredding them. Amazing to see he could pump so far and still have the control to surf powerful waves. He is a professional athlete though !

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eppo said..
Totally agree . until i saw bastion on a super high aspect patrick and my son antman on the 925 slotting in tight and carving the sh1t out of hunters.

Yeah up north recently I saw Bastion on the lift 120 pumping 300- 400 meters from the very inside of the bomby, connecting some overhead nugs and shredding them. Amazing to see he could pump so far and still have the control to surf powerful waves. He is a professional athlete though !

Yeh again you are right. My son isnt a pro ahtlete but as hilly said he is very light and kind of a freak like Bastion in the making. I suppose i was just making the point that it can be done on HA wings
so not to write them of completely.


Ive watched paddy from gero doing the same thing. Again young and a freak waterman in the making.