Can anyone confirm that the Naish foil sups use the deep tuttle connection? Particularly the surf oriented board.

Various google searches show deep tuttle connections.www.naishsurfing.com/product/malolo-hydrofoil/

But various other results show standard tuttle.

I get similar results with searches for GoFoil and Starboard. Lots of pictures of different mounts but no definitive statements about what is available.

I am just about to order a low speed kite foil and have plans on matching it to a SUP down the track. I think my current SUP surfboard is too light construction for a foil so I don't want to add a deep tuttle box to that. I would be looking at a Naish or similar board.

On this picture, you can see the deep tuttle on the left, and standard tuttle on the right.



There is no question that your picture shows a deep tuttle head, and that it comes standard with it from all the "unboxing" videos you can see on the web.

BUT, what I understand from the phrase on the naish web site "the medium-sized extruded alloy mast can be retrofitted to any style box system" is that you should be able to buy different heads (tuttle, plate, ...) to screw on the allow mast. So just ask your Naish dealer what spare head(s) you can actually order .

My requirement is the other way round. I have a short carbon mast with deep tuttle head on top. I need a board with a deep tuttle hole to stick it in.

Sorry Gorgo, I misread you....

You must go to the new foil-dedicated Naish site, www.naishfoils.com
where all the boards listed ( http://www.naishfoils.com/sup-surf-foiling/ ) are plate-mount only.

Apparently they did not update yet their main www.naishsurfing.com/ site.

Edit: Note that deep tuttle to plate adapters exist, such as: www.mantafoils.com/e-shop/Manta-deep-tuttle-to-plate-adapter-p85832834

The 2017 Naish Malolo Foil ( www.naishsurfing.com/products/boards/ ) comes standard with a deep tuttle box mount. The new 2018 Naish Thrust Foils ( www.naishfoils.com/thrust-surf/ ) all come standard with the plate mount. Both Foils can be fitted with the other mount and/or Std tuttle as an accessory.

I hope this helps,

Ride safe,

JB

Hi Gorgo,

good to see you're looking to expand your foil repertoire.
Being the impatient soul I am, I converted a Naish Hokua LE to a deep tuttle awhile back as my first board. The LE construction is super light, but the inherent strength of the deep tuttle as well as the through the board installation has made it a strong unit.

I have also started wind-foiling, hence the decision to run tuttle box foils to suit my various sailboard hulls.

My new board project which has just been completed is a Naish Raptor, which I also had decked out with a deep tuttle.

Give me a yell at the store if you want to check them out.

Cheers

Warwick / KR

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Gorgo said..

I think my current SUP surfboard is too light construction for a foil so I don't want to add a deep tuttle box to that.

Hi Gorgo,

I'm doing some research for my first SUP foil setup and just wondering what you mean by the statement above. Are you worried about the strength of your light board accommodating the tuttle box? Or are light SUP's no good for foiling in general?

Thanks

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JoffaDan said..

Gorgo said..

I think my current SUP surfboard is too light construction for a foil so I don't want to add a deep tuttle box to that.

Hi Gorgo,

I'm doing some research for my first SUP foil setup and just wondering what you mean by the statement above. Are you worried about the strength of your light board accommodating the tuttle box? Or are light SUP's no good for foiling in general?

Thanks

Light weight board is the only way to go...
the swing weight is very noticable..
I've ridden the same size all waves in hrs and ltd converted and you can really tell the difference..
I've converted a heap of light weight pro boards and zero issues..
Just get whoever does your conversion to put a decent piece of Atleast 80kg foam thru to the deck, extended forward of the box..
From my experience I would lean towards a US style box (chinook strongbox best out there) over Tuttle system

Starboard have 3 different models which can be ordered in with Deep Tuttle box standard !!

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Hi Gorgo,

I'm doing some research for my first SUP foil setup and just wondering what you mean by the statement above. Are you worried about the strength of your light board accommodating the tuttle box? Or are light SUP's no good for foiling in general?

Thanks

My surf SUP is a 9' custom and weighs under 6kg. It's creased once and been repaired. I fear that having a foil mount might focus any stress and break the board.

That was my original position. Now I'm thinking, stuff it, use it, abuse it, get a new one. I'll look at getting a deep tuttle mount set into my board, with an appropriate amount of glass to reinforce it, and go foiling. If it breaks then I get it repaired, or buy a new one.

I am told by the designer of my kite foil that swing weight is a problem when surf foiling so short boards are good. He's quite keen on boards around 7'. He sells prone paddle surf foil boards at 5'8" to 6'. I am a crap short board prone paddler so they are not on my shopping list. I would be happy if my 9' survived long enough to see if SUP foiling was for me, and what direction emerges for SUP foil boards for the general public.

BTW From kite foiling, plate mounts win because of adjustability and versatility, and you can have a thinner board if you want. Deep tuttle is much quicker and easier for assembly and storage.

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Gorgo said..
I am told by the designer of my kite foil that swing weight is a problem when surf foiling so short boards are good.

Note that you can reduce swing weight a lot on long boards (9'+) by having the mast more centered. Try to move around your paddle with one hand near the handle, and then with the hand near the center to understand immediately the effect.

Disclaimer: as with everything in surfing there are advantages and drawbacks. The centered position seems less efficient for the "Huntington Hop", the pumping where you try to lift from the water (pumping once airborne to keep the wave is different). But long boards are not good for this kind of pumping anyways.

So, shorter boards, and boards with nose & tails as light as possible are much better to foil on, there is no arguing about that. But if you want to put a foil on a 9'+ board, it is quite doable if the board is light to begin with (6kg for a 9' should be quite OK to foil on. My 8'9" was 7kg before adding the tuttle box & straps), and the mast is somewhat centered (rear screw at ~ 14" back from the rear of the handle).

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JoffaDan said..

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Hi Gorgo,

I'm doing some research for my first SUP foil setup and just wondering what you mean by the statement above. Are you worried about the strength of your light board accommodating the tuttle box? Or are light SUP's no good for foiling in general?

Thanks

My surf SUP is a 9' custom and weighs under 6kg. It's creased once and been repaired. I fear that having a foil mount might focus any stress and break the board.

That was my original position. Now I'm thinking, stuff it, use it, abuse it, get a new one. I'll look at getting a deep tuttle mount set into my board, with an appropriate amount of glass to reinforce it, and go foiling. If it breaks then I get it repaired, or buy a new one.

I am told by the designer of my kite foil that swing weight is a problem when surf foiling so short boards are good. He's quite keen on boards around 7'. He sells prone paddle surf foil boards at 5'8" to 6'. I am a crap short board prone paddler so they are not on my shopping list. I would be happy if my 9' survived long enough to see if SUP foiling was for me, and what direction emerges for SUP foil boards for the general public.

BTW From kite foiling, plate mounts win because of adjustability and versatility, and you can have a thinner board if you want. Deep tuttle is much quicker and easier for assembly and storage.

I have been using these to fit to my sups and various other boards I cnc from 80kg pet and take the futures 10.75 strongbox. it make the install nice and easy as you don't have to worry about trying to make sure you get booth boxes lined perfect and level and is just one single route to insert the HD foam insert.
If anyone needs one just drop me a pm I have shipped them to the usa fairly cheaply so aus shouldn't be a problem.

Charlie are you near the surf coast?

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charlieuk said..

Gorgo said..

JoffaDan said..

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Hi Gorgo,

I'm doing some research for my first SUP foil setup and just wondering what you mean by the statement above. Are you worried about the strength of your light board accommodating the tuttle box? Or are light SUP's no good for foiling in general?

Thanks

My surf SUP is a 9' custom and weighs under 6kg. It's creased once and been repaired. I fear that having a foil mount might focus any stress and break the board.

That was my original position. Now I'm thinking, stuff it, use it, abuse it, get a new one. I'll look at getting a deep tuttle mount set into my board, with an appropriate amount of glass to reinforce it, and go foiling. If it breaks then I get it repaired, or buy a new one.

I am told by the designer of my kite foil that swing weight is a problem when surf foiling so short boards are good. He's quite keen on boards around 7'. He sells prone paddle surf foil boards at 5'8" to 6'. I am a crap short board prone paddler so they are not on my shopping list. I would be happy if my 9' survived long enough to see if SUP foiling was for me, and what direction emerges for SUP foil boards for the general public.

BTW From kite foiling, plate mounts win because of adjustability and versatility, and you can have a thinner board if you want. Deep tuttle is much quicker and easier for assembly and storage.

I have been using these to fit to my sups and various other boards I cnc from 80kg pet and take the futures 10.75 strongbox. it make the install nice and easy as you don't have to worry about trying to make sure you get booth boxes lined perfect and level and is just one single route to insert the HD foam insert.
If anyone needs one just drop me a pm I have shipped them to the usa fairly cheaply so aus shouldn't be a problem.

How deep are your blocks of foam? I always go from deck to bottom laminate, and preferably much further in front of the boxes. The Naish Production boards have about 1 meter or PVC from deck to bottom to support the boxes.

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JoffaDan said..
Charlie are you near the surf coast?

Yes he is.. if there's a surf coast in England..

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DavidJohn said..

JoffaDan said..
Charlie are you near the surf coast?

Yes he is.. if there's a surf coast in England..

Surf and England are two words that don't go together.....especially in last two months, especially on east coast.....and make that for Scotland too!

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JoffaDan said..
Charlie are you near the surf coast?

sorry I thought I had changed my profile unfortunately I'm not in vic any more and I'm back in the uk on our south coast.
We have actually had a pretty good summer here especially for foiling, I'm hoping I can make it back to Melbourne this winter/summer

the inserts are 380mm x 210mm x 40mm

You can go full depth and with a tuttle box I defiantly would but with the size of these the load is well spread out and I have found no real need especial if you run a little glass under them and up to the bottom laminate so its all tied in. Going much larger and at the same density it gets rather heavy and over kill and also quite hard to blend into the bottom contours.