JB Messenger out at a Sydney foiling reef on his Naish Raptor 7'0" x 31" (V116) and a Naish Thrust Surf Large Foil

Nice one Casso , smooth JB

The waves seemed quite tricky to "read" for foiling... I guess similar to hunting for bumps in downwinding...

Nice , how is the large foil compared to the medium ?

Thanks for sharing, making it look too easy JB!

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colas said..
The waves seemed quite tricky to "read" for foiling... I guess similar to hunting for bumps in downwinding...

It difficult to see, but it's about 15+ kn direct offshore, ad the chop is monster big, lots of water moving in every direction. Yes riding the "waves" were a lot like downwinding, looking for the chops as opposed to the wave. Although very hard and exhausting, it was lots of fun.

Ride safe,

JB

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roachy said..
Nice , how is the large foil compared to the medium ?

It's approx. 20% bigger - therefore give more lift. This said it is also a little more drag and you will notice it. I will base my response off my weight (95+kg) and findings.

- Medium. Faster to paddle. Gets up about the same time as the Large (even though less lift, it has more speed easier = Lift). More maneuverable (quicker to transition from turn to turn), and glides faster. But I find I have to pump quite a bit more, especially on smaller waves.

- Large. Lots of lift. Once you pop up, you rarely go back down without you wanting to. Super stable, really really stable. You will find the paddle back out a little harder and it's not quite as nimble as the Medium (transitioning from turn to turn).

Conclusion, I prefer the Large in the conditions I ride. If I was to ride bigger and faster waves, I would prefer the medium. Or possibly for Prone (std) Surfing. As a bigger rider I am used to the weigh offs to get the performance I need. I think most beginners will prefer the Large unless your a lightweight. Lightweight is a difficult one to but an exact number to as there are so many variables. But if you're aiming to ride bigger swells/waves and are under 80-85, consider the Medium (if you don;t need to constantly pump to stay on the foil, then you'll prefer the Medium).

I hope this helps,

Foil Safe,

JB

Thanks JB only 70kg wet , about to buy one , still a newborn just started , ummming and arrring for large or medium , Sunycoast soft small waves ?
any thoughts

Hi JB,
thanx for all the valuable Infos.
Someone her mentioned you have some advice for positioning the Naish foils.
Is it also 20" from tail to back of mast like with the GoFoil?
Alex

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roachy said..
Thanks JB only 70kg wet , about to buy one , still a newborn just started , ummming and arrring for large or medium , Sunycoast soft small waves ?
any thoughts

At 70kg, you'd likely be fine on the Medium. The Large offers up a lot stability but also more drag, if you don't the lift, the Medium is faster to paddle and more nimble to use. If your waves are really soft, you may want the Large or for Down Winding but I think the Medium all you will likely need. Best thing is you can always buy one then just get the other front wing later and you have all bases covered.

Ride safe,

JB

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AlexF said..
Hi JB,
thanx for all the valuable Infos.
Someone her mentioned you have some advice for positioning the Naish foils.
Is it also 20" from tail to back of mast like with the GoFoil?
Alex

When you say 20", this is dependant on the size of the board, and also the waves you are riding. I ride a 7' board and use 20" for the fuller and smaller waves, and trim back to about 19" - 19.5" on bigger and steeper days. This is the beauty of the duel track system. Use the Go Foil graph as a starting point, some you've used both, feel the Naish Thrust likes to ride a little further back.

If you want help deciding where to put boxes, let me know which board you are considering converting, and I'll try help.

Ride safe,

JB

Just a quick note: in the air, it is only the positioning of the feet relative to the mast that counts. So, if 1/2" - 1" in mast positioning makes such a difference, imagine what happens if you are not able to exactly position your feet at the same place each time, and have, say 2"-4" difference in position on each ride...

So there is no use setting up precisely the mast position if you do not also ensure you have some way to position precisely your feet (the front one mainly), be it straps, half straps, additional pad, archs, holes or texture difference in the pad...

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JB said..

AlexF said..
Hi JB,
thanx for all the valuable Infos.
Someone her mentioned you have some advice for positioning the Naish foils.
Is it also 20" from tail to back of mast like with the GoFoil?
Alex

When you say 20", this is dependant on the size of the board, and also the waves you are riding. I ride a 7' board and use 20" for the fuller and smaller waves, and trim back to about 19" - 19.5" on bigger and steeper days. This is the beauty of the duel track system. Use the Go Foil graph as a starting point, some you've used both, feel the Naish Thrust likes to ride a little further back.

If you want help deciding where to put boxes, let me know which board you are considering converting, and I'll try help.

Ride safe,

JB

I'll get a 8' x 30" custom board, tomostyle like the 2017 JP Surf Slate 8 x 30 or the Fone Papenoo 7'11.
The foil will be plate mount either Naish, Slingshot or Takuma
Thanx for your help.
Alex

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colas said..
Just a quick note: in the air, it is only the positioning of the feet relative to the mast that counts. So, if 1/2" - 1" in mast positioning makes such a difference, imagine what happens if you are not able to exactly position your feet at the same place each time, and have, say 2"-4" difference in position on each ride...

So there is no use setting up precisely the mast position if you do not also ensure you have some way to position precisely your feet (the front one mainly), be it straps, half straps, additional pad, archs, holes or texture difference in the pad...

It is good to have reference points to ensure you standing in the right place. I use the location of the breather valve and deck grip colour circle for my front foot and I have put a kick pad for my rear foot. See pic below.




This way I'm pretty much in the right position every time.

regards,

JB