One of the hardest parts of learning to downwind foil can be getting off the coastline so the swells and wind don't push you back in and up the beach straight away. When you are good at downwinding this is not such an issue as you can usually get up pretty fast and know how to angle out but learning to get to that stage can be a little frustrating.
So we came up with a way around this where all you need is your own little foil bitch (me) and then just wing as far out to sea as you need to get the angles right(in this case it was 4km) then once the boss turns up you give her the paddle and she gives me the wing which i pack up and put in a backpack while she downwinds home. I still have some fun trying to catch up on my wind wing while trying to film and carry all the gear.
So if you have your own little bitch then maybe this might be worth a try!!

www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/blog/2022/11/20/m1jzzpxnxnwcygbjhgztcuml4cnlkn

are you offering this service at Merimbula? how many wings can you take at once?

Alternative is the deflate -

Then just pump up and go again.

JB

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paul.j said..
One of the hardest parts of learning to downwind foil can be getting off the coastline so the swells and wind don't push you back in and up the beach straight away. When you are good at downwinding this is not such an issue as you can usually get up pretty fast and know how to angle out but learning to get to that stage can be a little frustrating.
So we came up with a way around this where all you need is your own little foil bitch (me) and then just wing as far out to sea as you need to get the angles right(in this case it was 4km) then once the boss turns up you give her the paddle and she gives me the wing which i pack up and put in a backpack while she downwinds home. I still have some fun trying to catch up on my wind wing while trying to film and carry all the gear.
So if you have your own little bitch then maybe this might be worth a try!!

www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/blog/2022/11/20/m1jzzpxnxnwcygbjhgztcuml4cnlkn

Haha Classic I like it you little bitch ! I wonder if the wing foiler would have enough grunt to tow the SUP foiler up ? I have been towed up by a kiter mate no worries, but probs too much to ask of a ding.
4k out seems a long way offshore , do you find you need to go that far to get decent conditions?

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JB said..
are you offering this service at Merimbula? how many wings can you take at once?

Alternative is the deflate -

Then just pump up and go again.

JB

JB,

Brilliant idea.
What kind of pump are you using?

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paul.j said..
One of the hardest parts of learning to downwind foil can be getting off the coastline so the swells and wind don't push you back in and up the beach straight away. When you are good at downwinding this is not such an issue as you can usually get up pretty fast and know how to angle out but learning to get to that stage can be a little frustrating.
So we came up with a way around this where all you need is your own little foil bitch (me) and then just wing as far out to sea as you need to get the angles right(in this case it was 4km) then once the boss turns up you give her the paddle and she gives me the wing which i pack up and put in a backpack while she downwinds home. I still have some fun trying to catch up on my wind wing while trying to film and carry all the gear.
So if you have your own little bitch then maybe this might be worth a try!!

www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/blog/2022/11/20/m1jzzpxnxnwcygbjhgztcuml4cnlkn

I did a similar task deflating one or two Km outside and packing the 3.5m wing on my back. Even had a wing boom packed no problem.
the problem was the weight of the yet wing on the backpack shifting the weight balance on paddle and foiling downwind. It also adds significant swing weight to pumping and turns. i did once again but this time deflating on the air without touching water and wrapping around my arms before packing it dry. It changed completely the experience but I fell on the water once before I paddled up. Maybe a waterproof backpack would be a good solution to avoid water getting inside the bag in case you fall. this could be also a good solution in more onshore winds so you can ride upwind and downwind straight back to shore.www.instagram.com/reel/ClKxeZbLBCI/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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AdiZi said..

JB said..
are you offering this service at Merimbula? how many wings can you take at once?

Alternative is the deflate -

Then just pump up and go again.

JB

JB,

Brilliant idea.
What kind of pump are you using?

Just a cheap balloon pump that I hot glues a PVC hose and Naish fitting to.

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kobo said..

paul.j said..
One of the hardest parts of learning to downwind foil can be getting off the coastline so the swells and wind don't push you back in and up the beach straight away. When you are good at downwinding this is not such an issue as you can usually get up pretty fast and know how to angle out but learning to get to that stage can be a little frustrating.
So we came up with a way around this where all you need is your own little foil bitch (me) and then just wing as far out to sea as you need to get the angles right(in this case it was 4km) then once the boss turns up you give her the paddle and she gives me the wing which i pack up and put in a backpack while she downwinds home. I still have some fun trying to catch up on my wind wing while trying to film and carry all the gear.
So if you have your own little bitch then maybe this might be worth a try!!

www.oneoceansportsaustralia.com/blog/2022/11/20/m1jzzpxnxnwcygbjhgztcuml4cnlkn

Haha Classic I like it you little bitch ! I wonder if the wing foiler would have enough grunt to tow the SUP foiler up ? I have been towed up by a kiter mate no worries, but probs too much to ask of a ding.
4k out seems a long way offshore , do you find you need to go that far to get decent conditions?

I just lined up where i wanted to finish and with how far out i needed to go and 4 km looked like the good angle. The North winds on the goldy can push you back to the beach pretty quick so going further out just took any worry out of the whole downwinder.

I Think getting towed up by a ding with two people is quite doable and was nearly about to through my tow handle on my waist belt as well but thought i might be better to practice this with Ang first in the flat but for sure have been thinking the same thing and just towing her way out to sea. I might need to ride a ding size up but feel its easily doable.

Just wondering if a small Flysurfer Peak or new Hybrid foil kite on short lines could also do the trick?

Maybe get better upwind angles, less tiring to get to the start of the downwinder, can carry a smaller front foil, light and packs down into a backpack.

Downwinding without extra toys or car shuffle sounds appealing. Probably dreaming...

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NathanG said..
Just wondering if a small Flysurfer Peak or new Hybrid foil kite on short lines could also do the trick?

Maybe get better upwind angles, less tiring to get to the start of the downwinder, can carry a smaller front foil, light and packs down into a backpack.

Downwinding without extra toys or car shuffle sounds appealing. Probably dreaming...

As a long time user and also a reseller of the Flysurfer Peak and now also Hybrid kites, I think you are right on the money Nathan. The kite-only weights of both of these kites is under 1 kilogram in up to 8m sizes. They also pack down very small and with a simple lightweight bar and lines you would have an ideal setup.
You could easily get out from shore a good distance quickly for a downwinder as well as crank back upwind for another run.

The Peak and Hybrid are both easy to fly, hang in the air in light winds and are very powerful for their size. For my 67kg on a kitefoil setup with front wings under 1000sq cm, I mainly use the 2.5m to 4m sizes with a 5m for light winds around 8-10 knots. The Peak is not guaranteed water relaunchable, though I've been successful relaunching most times I've dropped them. The Hybrid is extremely easy and quick to relaunch every time. These kites have relatively simple bridles which give no problems if you pack them methodically and are very quick to set up and launch, no pump required

Here's a vid of Armin from Flysurfer using very short lines on a 5.5m Hybrid and 90l wingfoil board

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drsurf said..

NathanG said..
Just wondering if a small Flysurfer Peak or new Hybrid foil kite on short lines could also do the trick?

Maybe get better upwind angles, less tiring to get to the start of the downwinder, can carry a smaller front foil, light and packs down into a backpack.

Downwinding without extra toys or car shuffle sounds appealing. Probably dreaming...

As a long time user and also a reseller of the Flysurfer Peak and now also Hybrid kites, I think you are right on the money Nathan. The kite-only weights of both of these kites is under 1 kilogram in up to 8m sizes. They also pack down very small and with a simple lightweight bar and lines you would have an ideal setup.
You could easily get out from shore a good distance quickly for a downwinder as well as crank back upwind for another run.

The Peak and Hybrid are both easy to fly, hang in the air in light winds and are very powerful for their size. For my 67kg on a kitefoil setup with front wings under 1000sq cm, I mainly use the 2.5m to 4m sizes with a 5m for light winds around 8-10 knots. The Peak is not guaranteed water relaunchable, though I've been successful relaunching most times I've dropped them. The Hybrid is extremely easy and quick to relaunch every time. These kites have relatively simple bridles which give no problems if you pack them methodically and are very quick to set up and launch, no pump required

Here's a vid of Armin from Flysurfer using very short lines on a 5.5m Hybrid and 90l wingfoil board

The problem is the overall weight of the wet kite, bar, lines and harness. Way heavier and complicated than a simple 2.5m hand wing that you can easily deflate it dry away from the water and quickly pack it up on a waterproof backpack.

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JB said..
are you offering this service at Merimbula? how many wings can you take at once?

Alternative is the deflate -

Then just pump up and go again.

JB

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