Gofoil to armstrong

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Pacoo
Pacoo
137 posts
137 posts
15 Jan 2023 7:32pm
Hi guys,
After moving from Gofoil to an Armstrong 85cm mast, HA1125, 70cm fuse, 235 tail, set ; I'm have a fiery flash feel, which I expected a bit, but if I load a good bottom turn I have a couple of "spin outs" (sorry for the windsurfing term but I cannot find a better way to define it.
Overall I'm very happy with the equipment, but I just want to make sure everything is right and if there are other things I can improve.
hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
15 Jan 2023 8:18pm
Pacoo said..
Hi guys,
After moving from Gofoil to an Armstrong 85cm mast, HA1125, 70cm fuse, 235 tail, set ; I'm have a fiery flash feel, which I expected a bit, but if I load a good bottom turn I have a couple of "spin outs" (sorry for the windsurfing term but I cannot find a better way to define it.
Overall I'm very happy with the equipment, but I just want to make sure everything is right and if there are other things I can improve.


There will be lots of wobble and you will need a lot of shims, then they will recommend you buy the new mast and stabs. Enjoy the rabbit hole
Wobbles
Wobbles
NSW
32 posts
NSW, 32 posts
16 Jan 2023 8:21am
Try a 50 or 60 fuse. I use the 50 fuse and have no issues.
Pacoo
Pacoo
137 posts
137 posts
16 Jan 2023 1:42pm
Wobbles said..
Try a 50 or 60 fuse. I use the 50 fuse and have no issues.


Thanks! what about a smaller stab?
kobo
kobo
NSW
1111 posts
NSW, 1111 posts
16 Jan 2023 6:37pm
Go the 195 stab for sure
hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
16 Jan 2023 7:21pm
Ok we have had a wobble, fuse and a few stabs anyone up for the mast or MA?
foilthegreats
foilthegreats
801 posts
801 posts
16 Jan 2023 9:36pm
If stab is too slippery in turns shim it for more lift. Will slow the rig but add more bite in turns. Will also make more pitch stable and easier to ride.
Pacoo
Pacoo
137 posts
137 posts
17 Jan 2023 12:25pm
foilthegreats said..
If stab is too slippery in turns shim it for more lift. Will slow the rig but add more bite in turns. Will also make more pitch stable and easier to ride.


As I understand, it has a negative 1 without shim (more amount of lift). If I add the 0.5 or 1 degree that comes with the kit, it will be reduced to 0,5 of 0 respectively. If I add the supplied shim it will have less lift.
foilthegreats
foilthegreats
801 posts
801 posts
17 Jan 2023 7:30pm
Pacoo said..

foilthegreats said..
If stab is too slippery in turns shim it for more lift. Will slow the rig but add more bite in turns. Will also make more pitch stable and easier to ride.



As I understand, it has a negative 1 without shim (more amount of lift). If I add the 0.5 or 1 degree that comes with the kit, it will be reduced to 0,5 of 0 respectively. If I add the supplied shim it will have less lift.


Reverse the shim and trim the excess. Works great.
Pacoo
Pacoo
137 posts
137 posts
17 Jan 2023 9:17pm
foilthegreats said..

Pacoo said..


foilthegreats said..
If stab is too slippery in turns shim it for more lift. Will slow the rig but add more bite in turns. Will also make more pitch stable and easier to ride.




As I understand, it has a negative 1 without shim (more amount of lift). If I add the 0.5 or 1 degree that comes with the kit, it will be reduced to 0,5 of 0 respectively. If I add the supplied shim it will have less lift.



Reverse the shim and trim the excess. Works great.


Excellent! thanks.
motogon
motogon
206 posts
206 posts
18 Jan 2023 12:37am
Funny. I just moved opposite way. From Armstrong to GoFoil :-)
windrider323
windrider323
VIC
48 posts
VIC, 48 posts
18 Jan 2023 11:17am
hilly said..

Pacoo said..
Hi guys,
After moving from Gofoil to an Armstrong 85cm mast, HA1125, 70cm fuse, 235 tail, set ; I'm have a fiery flash feel, which I expected a bit, but if I load a good bottom turn I have a couple of "spin outs" (sorry for the windsurfing term but I cannot find a better way to define it.
Overall I'm very happy with the equipment, but I just want to make sure everything is right and if there are other things I can improve.



There will be lots of wobble and you will need a lot of shims, then they will recommend you buy the new mast and stabs. Enjoy the rabbit hole


Oh Hilly. from no. 1 Army fanboy to no.1 gofoil fanboy. Unsure why you are commenting on a brand you don't ride?probably a bit embarrassing given your 1000 posts pumping Armstrong products. Have you even ridden the performance mast and new foils?obviously well into the gofoil rabbit hole now with your mallet, teffjel, fixed tails and corrosion. Keenly waiting for your new brand comments once the gofoil shine wears off The new Army performance mast is a gem. Game changer for heavy riders on large ha foils. If you can afford it do it. the new ma foils are superb foils easy to fly and fast with very little lift variation in waves and at varying speed once dialled. Able to ride ocean swell at speed and will turn once inside and can ride slowI personally think the cf v2 foils are underrated wave machines - for me the best turning wave foils I've ridden smooth turny and inspire so much confidence on waves due to predictable lift and ride - awesome kitYou won't regret changing to Armstrong once you dial in your kit. The range is huge. The adjustment for each foil/tail/fuse/mast combo is virtually endless and will suit most riders once you find your setup All ha foils are harder to ride than lower aspect shapes so may be worth stepping back a while to improve skills to maximise enjoyment of more technical foils or just persevere until skill improves to meet demands of the setup.
hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
18 Jan 2023 11:00am
windrider323 said..Unsure why you are commenting on a brand you don't ride?probably a bit embarrassing given your 1000 posts pumping Armstrong products. Have you even ridden the performance mast and new foils?obviously well into the gofoil rabbit hole now with your mallet, teffjel, fixed tails and corrosion.

Welcome to the breeze an open forum where you are allowed to express an opinion and have a joke.

I have ridden an MA on the new mast. Seems to be ok for you to comment on GoFoil but please get your facts straight, no tefgel and no corrosion on Army or GoFoil and you can use shims on a GoFoil pedestal if you chose with a wide range of other brands tails as well. Yes the mallet always made me laugh too.

A lot of mates on Armstrong and they are going through the MA tuning stage with shims on masts and tails, I was poking some fun at them.

Enjoy Armstrong, well made kit.
Pacoo
Pacoo
137 posts
137 posts
18 Jan 2023 8:43pm
Hi all,
Thanks for the comments!
Very good feedback.
Just allow me to say, that I'm keeping me RS1000-26 mast set. There are pros and cons for every system.
I don't like to pick up sides in this life ;)
Pasquales
Pasquales
210 posts
210 posts
19 Jan 2023 1:03pm
I second the suggestion of trying a 50 cm fuse with the 1125. That's my favorite combo and find it to be plenty loose. The HA 1125 shares some similarities with the RS 1150 if you've ridden, but rides quite different due to the thinner profile.
TrailRunner
TrailRunner
SA
19 posts
SA, 19 posts
24 Jan 2023 3:02pm
I changed over from gofoil to armstrong and love it! I use HA1125, 60 fuse, HA195 tail with red+blue shim and its magic. same setup with the HA925. I dont get any slide out in the tail. 235 tail is too slow for the HA's
Pacoo
Pacoo
137 posts
137 posts
25 Jan 2023 11:26am
TrailRunner said..
I changed over from gofoil to armstrong and love it! I use HA1125, 60 fuse, HA195 tail with red+blue shim and its magic. same setup with the HA925. I dont get any slide out in the tail. 235 tail is too slow for the HA's


Thanks! Yes, I have the same feeling. Sanding down the 235 may help.
bolocom
bolocom
NSW
215 posts
NSW, 215 posts
26 Jan 2023 8:12am
TrailRunner said..
I changed over from gofoil to armstrong and love it! I use HA1125, 60 fuse, HA195 tail with red+blue shim and its magic. same setup with the HA925. I dont get any slide out in the tail. 235 tail is too slow for the HA's


Few months ago I got the 935 mast and 50 fuse, made the 925 and 725 feel amazing. Use both with 195 tail, no shim. Turns as tight as you want, super loose, stable and mush easier to quickly recover or adjust. For the first time since I started foiling I don't want to change anything.
kobo
kobo
NSW
1111 posts
NSW, 1111 posts
28 Jan 2023 12:14pm
bolocom said..

TrailRunner said..
I changed over from gofoil to armstrong and love it! I use HA1125, 60 fuse, HA195 tail with red+blue shim and its magic. same setup with the HA925. I dont get any slide out in the tail. 235 tail is too slow for the HA's



Few months ago I got the 935 mast and 50 fuse, made the 925 and 725 feel amazing. Use both with 195 tail, no shim. Turns as tight as you want, super loose, stable and mush easier to quickly recover or adjust. For the first time since I started foiling I don't want to change anything.


What is your weight ? Just trying to get an idea at what weight the new mast starts to make a noticeable difference.
bolocom
bolocom
NSW
215 posts
NSW, 215 posts
28 Jan 2023 10:51pm
kobo said..

bolocom said..


TrailRunner said..
I changed over from gofoil to armstrong and love it! I use HA1125, 60 fuse, HA195 tail with red+blue shim and its magic. same setup with the HA925. I dont get any slide out in the tail. 235 tail is too slow for the HA's




Few months ago I got the 935 mast and 50 fuse, made the 925 and 725 feel amazing. Use both with 195 tail, no shim. Turns as tight as you want, super loose, stable and mush easier to quickly recover or adjust. For the first time since I started foiling I don't want to change anything.



What is your weight ? Just trying to get an idea at what weight the new mast starts to make a noticeable difference.


I am 88kg, was having a hard time with the 925 using the 85 mast. Now my favourite wing is the 725 and use a 50 fuse with all the wings. 925 and 725 feel amazing with this setup.
Windoc
Windoc
452 posts
452 posts
29 Jan 2023 1:21am

kobo said..



What is your weight ? Just trying to get an idea at what weight the new mast starts to make a noticeable difference.


Buddy of mine is just over 60kgs. Even he is blown away by the feel of the new mast, so I'm not convinced it's just the stiffness. Other factors are contributing (foil section, rake, thickness etc).
Wingman WA
Wingman WA
WA
66 posts
WA, 66 posts
7 Feb 2023 11:55am
New armstrong mast is ridiculously good, I have tried a few and this one is tops, I am loving down winding on the bigger HA's now as well.
kobo
kobo
NSW
1111 posts
NSW, 1111 posts
7 Feb 2023 5:12pm
What size HAs are you DW with the new mast on ? My fav setup is 925/50/195 on the 85+ mast and @ 80kg I don't notice any flex or have any problems with it. but I haven't tried the new masts so hard to know if they would be any better for me.
eppo
eppo
WA
9789 posts
WA, 9789 posts
7 Feb 2023 9:49pm
kobo said..
What size HAs are you DW with the new mast on ? My fav setup is 925/50/195 on the 85+ mast and @ 80kg I don't notice any flex or have any problems with it. but I haven't tried the new masts so hard to know if they would be any better for me.



Kobo .. Quantumn leap better bud. Outrageously improved. Might have been a very different market picture at the moment if this mast had come out before the crazy HAs and the somewhat needless CF v2 lines

All thse new wonder foils coming out etc. bla , bla , bla - recon buy this mast. Its the greatest change to your performance per dollar unit by far.
Wingman WA
Wingman WA
WA
66 posts
WA, 66 posts
8 Feb 2023 10:11am
kobo said..
What size HAs are you DW with the new mast on ? My fav setup is 925/50/195 on the 85+ mast and @ 80kg I don't notice any flex or have any problems with it. but I haven't tried the new masts so hard to know if they would be any better for me.



I have too agree with Eppo, this mast is so slick through the water, rock solid stability, I am loving it with the 925/1125 mainly as well as the new MA's.Going to be trying a 1325 and 1525 soon So will keep you posted.
kobo
kobo
NSW
1111 posts
NSW, 1111 posts
8 Feb 2023 4:59pm
Wingman WA said..

kobo said..
What size HAs are you DW with the new mast on ? My fav setup is 925/50/195 on the 85+ mast and @ 80kg I don't notice any flex or have any problems with it. but I haven't tried the new masts so hard to know if they would be any better for me.




I have too agree with Eppo, this mast is so slick through the water, rock solid stability, I am loving it with the 925/1125 mainly as well as the new MA's.Going to be trying a 1325 and 1525 soon So will keep you posted.


Sounds good , do keep me posted I'm fine on the 1125 atm but would be interested to hear how the 1325 and 1525 behave with the new mast especially for DW
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