dimits said..
hello, all the way from Greece !

I just bought a 14,5 flip tail and I own the 9,5 pedestal and I was wondering if anyone has tried to put this set upside down?
I haven't seen anything online but since the insert of the fuselage is unidirectional I tried it on dry land and seems fine.


thanks

The flip tip tails can be used on both the long and short pedestals. The short ped is a flat mount so you put the flat side of the tail against it, and the long ped is a curved mount, so (you've guessed it) you put the curved part of the tail against it. Because the short ped is a top mount and the long ped is a bottom mount, in both cases the tail will end up with the tips facing up as it travels through the water.

Dommo49 said..
Progress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice, Dommo! Is that the KD Maui 14.5" you were talking about? Is it completely flat? A buddy let me get a session in on his 190 last week and all I can say is--OMG! With a lot less effort, it had almost 1.5x the glide of my GL, stayed high on foil (at speed) and had faster turns--almost felt like I was cheating! Was looking for a bigger wave addition to my 180 so now just need to figure out whether it is this or to consider a smaller size. Will be interesting to hear your perspective when you get your 160 in the surf.

Impressions: 10 sessions in on the GoFoil NL190.

Glides well, Pumps well, Stays Down, Turns Hard!

I have surfed the NL190 in 4 to 12 foot faces. Speed feels impressive but I challenge anyone to SHOW ME THE DATA. So far the fastest runs have been 22 mph or 35 kmh. I am coming from a GL210 and GL140. I surfed all summer on the GL210 in 3 to 7 foot faces but have ridden the 210 up to 12+ foot faces. The GL 140 works in 5 to 15+ foot faces (with a 7' 4" board). The NL190 fits nicely between these 2 wings. I weigh 190 lbs or 86 kg.

Shimming the tail makes a BIG difference. NO shim (18" Wide Narrow tail) and the foil stays down. In bigger waves there is NO need to engage the wing as some suggested it just elegantly comes up. NOT with a kick just comes up nicely. In smaller waves adding a credit card spacer to the back of the tail increases pumping ability significantly.

What I like is that this wing will stay DOWN on big waves and then let you fly and connect once the energy fade. Nothing like video proof. Here was ~ Double Overhead SPICY take off followed by Easy Gliding on Northern California glass (that is a joke).

NL160!

I think if your sup surfing and not downwinding the NL190 and 160 would cover you. Would mean you need not to be under powered on your wing ding but be fine otherwise IMO. Especially is you have a GL240 already

I have punched a hole in a canopy with a foil without winglets too! Be interesting if winglets become standard on all foils in the future, that we will see what happens i guess but recent faster wings tend to have them so i can only assume they actually do make a difference.

Winglets -
takuma LOL and Kujira
Go Foil NL
(another brand can't mention yet!)
Dunno any other really fast production wings yet Hilly. No one in oz seems to downwind on the Armstrong's. New HA is small. (Don't say with a ding cos that's not downwinding with just a foil!)

hairybear01 said..
Gofoil NL quiver?
I'm around 85kg with wetsuit. Mainly Sup foil small reef break , learning to wing ding and considering prone and kite foil.

So the main difference between GL and NL in general is;
GL Lower speed glide, wont drop as fast, wider arc turns.
NL is faster, glides longer but requires more speed / pumping and turns better, drops at lower speeds than the GL.

So what size guide for a quiver?
GL 240 for low wind wing ding (maybe tiny Surf SUP)
NL 220 surf on SUP up to shoulder high waves
NL160 large surf SUP over shoulder high, high wind wing ding, prone surf, maybe kitefoil??

Hi Hairybear

I recently upgraded from GL to NLs. I'm 90kgs on a good day. My goto wing is now the NL160 with flat tail. It's better in every way: when winging, I can get it going in not THAT much more wind than my GL240. 20% more grunt required, maybe? I tried going back to GL 240, and it felt like I still had the handbrake on. Yuk. NL is by far superior. Even if it's 10-12 knots... the 160 is my preference.

The 160 is great for tow-in surf also. Perfect. And easy-as to pump, and I'm no professional. And I have also towed the Nl160 behind the jetski at 30 knots/50kph. It's stable at high speed.

I might get an NL220... but honestly not sure I need it.

160 rocks.

Anyone know the difference between a GL180 and a NL190 both with a 14.5 flip tip tail for prone foiling in waves flat to head high ?

I'm currently on the GL180 and loving it but just curious what the pros and cons of the NL190 might be, I'm 87kg.

RichJam said..

JmeHwk said..
Anyone know the difference between a GL180 and a NL190 both with a 14.5 flip tip tail for prone foiling in waves flat to head high ?

I'm currently on the GL180 and loving it but just curious what the pros and cons of the NL190 might be, I'm 87kg.

Hi Mate,

I've recently swapped from the GL range to the NL range. 130 and 160. Had a 180/140.
Bigger speed range. More versatile and a higher average speed. Not as easy to pump, but once you work out how to it's just as good as the GL's I find.
Turns better and is more fun to chuck around than the GL's. Doesn't have the glide that the GL's had. Well comparing 180 to the 160.
Overall for your level and skills I would love to see you ripping on a NL.

Rich

Thank Rich, food for thought.

Anyone familiar with a Axis wings for comparison? Haven't had a demo on Gofoil gear yet.
Is the NL stall speed a similar experience to Axis 900 or 1000. You have to keep them moving with lots of speed or they just drop. Harder to pump back out in small weak waves.
What are the comparible NL wings sizes?
Im guessing the Axis 1010 is more of GL 220 experience, continues to glide at really low speed?

Kooky question on the NL wingtips....has anyone taken some sandpaper to the ginsu trailing tip? How much would it affect performance if dulled just a little?

Team rider on south coast NSW ground them off.
I only have 1 1/4 of them left on my 160. Still goes perfect.
I know they look scary but I really don't know why people freak over them as much as they do. To hit them you would need to manage a acid drop onto them - beyond my skill level. For what it's worth I've always made more contact with the tail rather than the main foil.
They do love sail cloth though!

RichJam said..
Team rider on south coast NSW ground them off.

Tell us more! I have been threatening to do the same because I can't understanding whether they do anything. But obviously not enough to ruin an expensive wing. I tore up one of them on some rocks last week and almost went for it, but decided to repair with some epoxy and re-sand instead.

pohaku said..
Havnt read the above much but ALL the GoFoil NLs are in stock in Australia now.

So why not treat yourself to that special feeling when your new NL arrives just in time for two weeks of mandatory isolation, oh yeah :)