Flat water paddle up - no paddle - Jeremy Riggs

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pohaku
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16 Sep 2022 8:02am
Just the other day we saw Kane De Wilde attempt the flat water paddle up with no paddle. This morning vid emerges of Jeremy Riggs getting up on foil. No motor just skill and the right board/foil to get the job done. Riding Kalama Barracuda, Gofoil

www.instagram.com/reel/Ciivpogh9by/?igshid=NTlmMWMyMzg=
hilly
hilly
WA
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16 Sep 2022 7:51am
pohaku said..
Just the other day we saw Kane De Wilde attempt the flat water paddle up with no paddle. This morning vid emerges of Jeremy Riggs getting up on foil. No motor just skill and the right board/foil to get the job done. Riding Kalama Barracuda, Gofoil

www.instagram.com/reel/Ciivpogh9by/?igshid=NTlmMWMyMzg=



Jeremy's talent had a lot to do with it as well. Mind blown; I find it hard with a paddle and Foil Drive assist LOL
pohaku
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16 Sep 2022 11:25am
100% he's sooo good. Incredible to watch in person too
foilthegreats
foilthegreats
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16 Sep 2022 9:37am
This is a bench mark. Hopefully we see this become the every day normal in the future. Exciting times for the foil world.
RichJam
RichJam
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16 Sep 2022 11:56am
Bloody impressive.
I'm wrecked just thinking about it.
paul.j
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16 Sep 2022 3:21pm
This really just goes to show the biggest improvement people can make is work on Technique and i have always said to people wanting to learn to DW that timing and technique are the 2 biggest factors. All one has to do is match the board speed with the speed of the foil they want to get up on and then get the timing right with the way your paddle and body move so they don't work against each other.

Great to see the no-paddle get-up done and all I picked up from it more than anything else is how important good timing is. More people working on technique and timing and more people getting into DW cant really hurt so I'm all for it.
frenchfoiler
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16 Sep 2022 3:16pm
pohaku said..
Just the other day we saw Kane De Wilde attempt the flat water paddle up with no paddle. This morning vid emerges of Jeremy Riggs getting up on foil. No motor just skill and the right board/foil to get the job done. Riding Kalama Barracuda, Gofoil

www.instagram.com/reel/Ciivpogh9by/?igshid=NTlmMWMyMzg=


www.instagram.com/p/CidkDxEvsAP/

Kane did it as well. I think it is a 2500cm2 Gofoil.
Hank1
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16 Sep 2022 4:01pm
paul.j said..
This really just goes to show the biggest improvement people can make is work on Technique and i have always said to people wanting to learn to DW that timing and technique are the 2 biggest factors. All one has to do is match the board speed with the speed of the foil they want to get up on and then get the timing right with the way your paddle and body move so they don't work against each other.

Great to see the no-paddle get-up done and all I picked up from it more than anything else is how important good timing is. More people working on technique and timing and more people getting into DW cant really hurt so I'm all for it.






Agree that developing the skill of timing and coordination will aid in improving technique.

You mentioned creating board speed to match the required speed for lift of foil. Would you agree that the longer, narrower board design enables you to create forward board speed at a quicker rate and more efficiently over a set distance than a 6'0 board? Do you think it's possible to do this style of get up on a 6'0 x 22 ish style board or would this design not allow for enough forward board speed without a paddle?
foilfondler
foilfondler
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16 Sep 2022 9:52pm
For a while now I've been wondering if that was possible with a sinker board shaped like a catamaran hull that could plunge into the water and come out easier, so the pumping action isn't limited by slapping on the surface. Sinker so you can get moving by moving the foil up and down, and so the volume above the deck front and back keeps you stable.
Hdip
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17 Sep 2022 12:05am
frenchfoiler said..


pohaku said..
Just the other day we saw Kane De Wilde attempt the flat water paddle up with no paddle. This morning vid emerges of Jeremy Riggs getting up on foil. No motor just skill and the right board/foil to get the job done. Riding Kalama Barracuda, Gofoil

www.instagram.com/reel/Ciivpogh9by/?igshid=NTlmMWMyMzg=




www.instagram.com/p/CidkDxEvsAP/

Kane did it as well. I think it is a 2500cm2 Gofoil.



Not to be a stickler for the rules here. But I think the way Pohaku describes it best. Kane attempted it. Jeremy Rigg's got it off the water and did it. Dave Kalama said he tried all day with Jeremy and couldn't get it off the water himself. Like the 1 hour on foil in the surf challenge though. Once someone proves it's possible, I bet we'll see more craziness coming out of this.
Velocicraptor
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17 Sep 2022 2:35am
To me (a complete supfoil kook) it looks like they are working the volume of the board against the water to generate some speed. would tweaking volume distribution on the board further assist with this type of takeoff? I realize only a couple people in the world have actually done this, but does anyone with board design experience have ideas here?
burchas
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17 Sep 2022 3:08am
Hdip said..

frenchfoiler said..



pohaku said..
Just the other day we saw Kane De Wilde attempt the flat water paddle up with no paddle. This morning vid emerges of Jeremy Riggs getting up on foil. No motor just skill and the right board/foil to get the job done. Riding Kalama Barracuda, Gofoil

www.instagram.com/reel/Ciivpogh9by/?igshid=NTlmMWMyMzg=





www.instagram.com/p/CidkDxEvsAP/

Kane did it as well. I think it is a 2500cm2 Gofoil.




Not to be a stickler for the rules here. But I think the way Pohaku describes it best. Kane attempted it. Jeremy Rigg's got it off the water and did it. Dave Kalama said he tried all day with Jeremy and couldn't get it off the water himself. Like the 1 hour on foil in the surf challenge though. Once someone proves it's possible, I bet we'll see more craziness coming out of this.


Not to be a knowitall but 2 points to note. Both Kalama and Kane are over 200LBS while Jeremy is 155LBS. Looking at Kane attempt I'm inclined to believe he would made it had he used the Barracuda.
foilthegreats
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Piros
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17 Sep 2022 7:00pm
frenchfoiler said..

Kane did it as well. I think it is a 2500cm2 Gofoil.



No it was a Axis 1310
pohaku
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17 Sep 2022 8:46pm
Piros said..

frenchfoiler said..

Kane did it as well. I think it is a 2500cm2 Gofoil.




No it was a Axis 1310


The link Frenchfoiler put he was on a GoFoil GT2600 and KT board. when he got it he was on a Kalama Barracuda and Axis 1310
kobo
kobo
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17 Sep 2022 8:46pm
The good news is these boards are going to make DW that much easier and within reach to a larger group of foilers.I wonder if there is any downsides to this design apart from standing further away from the mast on a thicker deck ?
foilthegreats
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danish
danish
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17 Sep 2022 9:05pm
kobo said..
The good news is these boards are going to make DW that much easier and within reach to a larger group of foilers.I wonder if there is any downsides to this design apart from standing further away from the mast on a thicker deck ?

Agree
Any idea how thick the 'cuda is? Volume doesnt look too high?
Gorgo
Gorgo
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18 Sep 2022 12:52pm
Add Dave Kalama pumping up with a little push from a pump. A relatively big unit pushing 60.

kobo
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18 Sep 2022 3:56pm
Looks like he's on a fairly long one too,I wonder if foot straps would make it easier ?
FoilAddict
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18 Sep 2022 2:52pm
Riggs and kalama both using front strap. Gonna give it another try with a maliko 280 and straps soon!
hilly
hilly
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18 Sep 2022 7:11pm
FoilAddict said..
Riggs and kalama both using front strap. Gonna give it another try with a maliko 280 and straps soon!


Dave had wind and a bump assistance. Still very impressive.
Windgenuity
Windgenuity
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19 Sep 2022 1:38pm
hilly said..

FoilAddict said..
Riggs and kalama both using front strap. Gonna give it another try with a maliko 280 and straps soon!



Dave had wind and a bump assistance. Still very impressive.


I'd be stoked to get up without paddling in 1m swell and 25 knots .

I've got my flat water paddle up to about 5 or 6 strokes now, and as little as 3-4 in the ocean when I am on and well timed, removing the stroke all together sounds awesome to me, but probably a lot harder than it looks. Will break out the old big dog and see what happens.
kobo
kobo
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19 Sep 2022 6:36pm
Think it might only be possible on those new type narrow semi displacement type boards but maybe I'm wrong ?
Piros
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20 Sep 2022 10:56am
Yes the board plays a big part but the new foils are just as important , plus the placement of boxes around 600mm forward
pohaku
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3 Oct 2022 9:39pm
Who would like to see JR in Australia? Would you attend a pop up clinic and learn from the best?
pohaku
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