Hi Sup Foilers,
In my attempt to catch waves on my JP Australia 7.0 115 Ltr board ( Large NP Foil) I have tried everything in my capacity. No problem to balance and move around but catching bumps have been lately catching waves.

Not was I was hoping.

The waves are steep and during wipeouts the gear and me gets beaten up.

How to catch the smaller waves or better bumps? I paddle as hard as I possibly can (Feels like I will break my carbon paddle soon) timing is obviously key.

In my quest to pop up and foil like "all others" on YouTube I have tried to trim or setup my foil, position and board.

1. The wedge (About 10mm on the back) Helped a lot on my first try with it.

2. Moving the foil Fwd seems to shorten the board? Pivot point (Foil) I can move forward as well balance the pressure point. When I have had the foil fully aft in the track I have had little luck getting on the foil. Frustration as on my normal 9,6 Sup I would not have any of these problem catching the wave. Think the 10mm wedge helped a lot as it felt like having a sea anchor holding me back.

3. To further increase lift I have trimmed the back wing.

4. Front foot strap are just in my way, I think one day I will have it installed for lifting during pumping at the start.

Maybe I need a larger down wind foil? I do not want to end up in surf to be able to foil, some manufactures recommend not to use the larger foils.To much stress on their equipment and could void their warrantees.

Where to go for these larger foils? Armstrong CF2400, GoFoilMaliko 280, Signature Albatross 210, Axis S-Series 102, Takuma V900. Hope that Neil Pryde will come out with a XL front wing But haven't heard any thing if or when that might be. Sent them a e-mail but no reply so far.

Anyone tested the above foils pros and cons to use the biggest ones on the market?

Cheers

Anders

Or useful to pump ?

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Hi Sup Foilers,

In my attempt to catch waves on my JP Australia 7.0 115 Ltr board ( Large NP Foil) I have tried everything in my capacity. No problem to balance and move around but catching bumps have been lately catching waves.
Not was I was hoping.
The waves are steep and during wipeouts the gear and me gets beaten up.

How to catch the smaller waves or better bumps? I paddle as hard as I possibly can (Feels like I will break my carbon paddle soon) timing is obviously key.
In my quest to pop up and foil like "all others" on YouTube I have tried to trim or setup my foil, position and board.

1. The wedge (About 10mm on the back) Helped a lot on my first try with it.
2. Moving the foil Fwd seems to shorten the board? Pivot point (Foil) I can move forward as well balance the pressure point. When I have had the foil fully aft in the track I have had little luck getting on the foil. Frustration as on my normal 9,6 Sup I would not have any of these problem catching the wave. Think the 10mm wedge helped a lot as it felt like having a sea anchor holding me back.
3. To further increase lift I have trimmed the back wing.
4. Front foot strap are just in my way, I think one day I will have it installed for lifting during pumping at the start.

Maybe I need a larger down wind foil? I do not want to end up in surf to be able to foil, some manufactures recommend not to use the larger foils.To much stress on their equipment and could void their warrantees.

Where to go for these larger foils? Armstrong CF2400, GoFoilMaliko 280, Signature Albatross 210, Axis S-Series 102, Takuma V900. Hope that Neil Pryde will come out with a XL front wing But haven't heard any thing if or when that might be. Sent them a e-mail but no reply so far.

Anyone tested the above foils pros and cons to use the biggest ones on the market?

Cheers

Anders

Does Wedge and the Mast at the back of the board can help you get up on the foil on Flat water ?

Filow said..
Does Wedge and the Mast at the back of the board can help you get up on the foil on Flat water ?

I think you have to be superfit,supergood and a lightweight to get up on this combo on flat water.
And you need a thick wedge of course
And the foil all the way back in the tracks is not good for pumping...

So your wedge is 10,5 mm
Mine is only 6 mm

Did you try thicknesses?
My method is quite flexible, I can add or remove layers but 6 mm is working for me.

I am not familiar with that board or foil but a 1.5 -12mm wedge (so basically 10.5mm) seems excessive to me.

Are you sure you are not overdoing it?

I think I would be trying something a lot thinner, maybe further forward in the tracks if anything.


Don't be fooled by how easy some make it look to pop/pump up on smaller waves/bumps a lot of it comes down to experience and technique.

Get that back foot right back over (or just in front of) the mast.

Oh. Just met a guy in the surf from DC boards. All the way down here, south of Wollongong from Currumbin Qld. I think his name was Dale Chapman. He was on one of his 6ft 6" foil boards. And he was ripping compared to me. On the foil he was turning just as easy as a normal shortboard & pumping back out to the break to start again.
He had the same hop & paddle, bouncing the board to catch the wave early. He had style & technique. So I then thought, this guy would do down wind foiling so easy. But to my surprise he mentioned it was the hardest to do. And he said it with emotion.
So what does that tell us beginners & plain surf foilers?

tightlines said..
I am not familiar with that board or foil but a 1.5 -12mm wedge (so basically 10.5mm) seems excessive to me.

Are you sure you are not overdoing it?

I think I would be trying something a lot thinner, maybe further forward in the tracks if anything.


Don't be fooled by how easy some make it look to pop/pump up on smaller waves/bumps a lot of it comes down to experience and technique.

Get that back foot right back over (or just in front of) the mast.

Hi,

Just to show how the 10,5 mm wedge looks on the JP Board.

I went out late today in some small slow moving swell/bumps, sitting on the outside trying to catch them. On my first few try I was over the moon when I got on them, 3 out of 4

I also had the mast further forward than I ever had and thanks JB for help on that. Will try to play with the placement of the mast regarding to conditions.

The designers and developers have tested and worked this angle of mast VS / Board out. But I think it has been done only with Pro riders that can pop the board up in any conditions. Not struggling beginners like me.
The board is super stable, I have now had plenty of paddling time and less of flying...

One day I can remove the wedge.
It might be like training wheels for kids bikes





I have marked out were the handle is. Looks pretty central and neutral to a amateur like me

Cheers

Anders

anders884 said..

tightlines said..
I am not familiar with that board or foil but a 1.5 -12mm wedge (so basically 10.5mm) seems excessive to me.

Are you sure you are not overdoing it?

I think I would be trying something a lot thinner, maybe further forward in the tracks if anything.


Don't be fooled by how easy some make it look to pop/pump up on smaller waves/bumps a lot of it comes down to experience and technique.

Get that back foot right back over (or just in front of) the mast.

Hi,

Just to show how the 10,5 mm wedge looks on the JP Board.

I went out late today in some small slow moving swell/bumps, sitting on the outside trying to catch them. On my first few try I was over the moon when I got on them, 3 out of 4

I also had the mast further forward than I ever had and thanks JB for help on that. Will try to play with the placement of the mast regarding to conditions.

The designers and developers have tested and worked this angle of mast VS / Board out. But I think it has been done only with Pro riders that can pop the board up in any conditions. Not struggling beginners like me.
The board is super stable, I have now had plenty of paddling time and less of flying...

One day I can remove the wedge.
It might be like training wheels for kids bikes





I have marked out were the handle is. Looks pretty central and neutral to a amateur like me

Cheers

Anders

Good stuff anders884. Basically my other foil converted paddleboard is set up with mast at pretty close to 90 degrees and seems to catch & ride waves ok and paddles easier than without a foil due to its excessive nose rocker.
So with that wedge you have produced maximum lift. But not sure on your paddle speed.
If it works for you & you are getting more flying time then good.
Where I think it may change on the JP board is on bigger waves more speed. But then I would be putting the foil back towards the tail near the back kick with the same wedge.
Would be good if you get another two wedges at about 8mm & 4mm and try those in similar conditions.
Going by your experience it looks like I will be making another wedge about 8mm for those more weak wave days.
But tomorrow for me the surfs picking up & I will need to go to a more powerful break to try the 4mm wedge again. If I can stop falling off my board. Haaa!