A mate and I are looking to get into this foiling thing

He likes Naish, I like Axis but we both dont know much and dont really care

We're looking to both buy the same brand to allow us to interchange parts etc and so we learn from each others mistakes haha

So to the SB experts - is there a clear best option? the two things that appear to matter most are:

- which system is better in terms of quality/strength of components and the fitting together/ease of use of the foil parts?
- is one mob ahead of the other in terms of range of different wings and overall performance?

I'll be focusing on SUP surf with maybe a bit of kite if i like it, my mate will be prone surfing, maybe kite also.

Lack small wings for kiting ? I was kiting on the axis 680 for two seasons. But yeh if you want the new black series they wings are limited right at this point in time. Personally I'd get the older and still great S series version second hand anyhow and save some serious coin. You won't know any bloody difference for a good two seasons. Never used the naish system and I'm sure it's good. But you can't go wrong with the axis system.
of course if ya coined up I'd go Armstrong for sure.

Ok cheers for the replys. I've been web browsing foil stuff all day and am now leaning havily towards axis

They seem to be significnatly more common also, so finding 2nd hand extra bits and pieces should be easier. Also I cant actually find a shop in WA that stocks Naish (is there one?) so thats a pretty big deal breaker

Foiling is still a new sport with design advances coming fast and furious. So the advantage goes to brands that are primarily "foil companies"

They seem to be quicker at reacting to where the sport is going. Axis, GoFoil, Armstrong for example. Versus big corporations where foils are just another product in their massive lineup.

Axis is great. Might want to checkout Konrad foils-the new guy on the block. Probably the easiest foiling wings ive used.

If you want to fly above water and enjoy foiling, don't buy naish. If you want to crash, get pissxd off and hate the sport, buy naish. Seriously buy anything but naish.

You wont regret it, hopefully I can share some glides with you up the coast soon.

So are you still using axis then Alysum??

konrad do an all carbon foil setup now IMO

jason (wa surf) and I rode the the first iteration of the Konrad foil ages ago and we were really impressed with its ease of use and good balance. Since then plenty of crew I know ride Konrad (including my son) and find them a great setup. Now there are carbon setups and other HA stuff in the pipeline. But it's been kept simple with choices.

axis make a high quality product and with a vast array of choices. They are always pushing the envelope. Some say too quickly and I agree with this (have said this on a post in the past). But that is just an opinion who really knows at the moment, things are changing fast.

Konrad for simplicity, axis for choice. Either one is a good buy. I cannot comment on others because I haven't used them. Except Armstrong which I'm on now.

eppo said..
So are you still using axis then Alysum??

konrad do an all carbon foil setup now IMO

jason (wa surf) and I rode the the first iteration of the Konrad foil ages ago and we were really impressed with its ease of use and good balance. Since then plenty of crew I know ride Konrad (including my son) and find them a great setup. Now there are carbon setups and other HA stuff in the pipeline. But it's been kept simple with choices.

axis make a high quality product and with a vast array of choices. They are always pushing the envelope. Some say too quickly and I agree with this (have said this on a post in the past). But that is just an opinion who really knows at the moment, things are changing fast.

Konrad for simplicity, axis for choice. Either one is a good buy. I cannot comment on others because I haven't used them. Except Armstrong which I'm on now.

Yep still on Axis for now until I find a full carbon set I like. I have too many requirements Armstrong isn't fast enough for my liking. 2021 is going to be interesting....

Don't know that I'd want to go any faster than my Hs 1050 with 212 tail , the wipeouts hurt too much !

What front wing was he on, I can only just handle the 212 tail prone it's so fast and sensitive.

kobo said..
What front wing was he on, I can only just handle the 212 tail prone it's so fast and sensitive.

Pretty sure he was on the 1050.

hilly said..

Alysum said..It would be great to see some garmin/strava activities to see the real speeds Armstrong foils are.

Drew got 44.8kph on the 850. Rich on the gofoil NL is close to 50kph I think. The 850 turns better though. Horses for courses.

Would like to see a complete activity graph not just the one "top speed" which is often inaccurate anyway

Alysum said..
Sure any foil can be pushed hard depending on many things, conditions, gear, rider etc...

It's not rocket science that thinner flatter wings are faster. And I like to go fast

It would be great to see some garmin/strava activities to see the real speeds Armstrong foils are.

Oh I see you are looking for the real flat HA type wing for pure speed / glide type riding. Fair enough. Surely Adrian is considering a pure carbon setup including the fuse soon enough ? Pretty sure the armie crew are developing a super HA flat as wing but I am assuming it won't be released until it's spot on.

Alysum said..

hilly said..

Alysum said..It would be great to see some garmin/strava activities to see the real speeds Armstrong foils are.

Drew got 44.8kph on the 850. Rich on the gofoil NL is close to 50kph I think. The 850 turns better though. Horses for courses.

Would like to see a complete activity graph not just the one "top speed" which is often inaccurate anyway

This ^

Im not saying those quoted speed are wrong because I believe they are acheivable but I am saying top speeds on gps's are usually during stacks so not reliable at all, the graph doesn't normally lie.

Hell I got 67kph the other day on my 1000 Axis.
You and I know that's not true but hey that's what my gps says.
It actually tops out in the mid 30's
Top averages for a km are more like 25kph
downwinding.

eppo said..

Alysum said..
Sure any foil can be pushed hard depending on many things, conditions, gear, rider etc...

It's not rocket science that thinner flatter wings are faster. And I like to go fast

It would be great to see some garmin/strava activities to see the real speeds Armstrong foils are.

Oh I see you are looking for the real flat HA type wing for pure speed / glide type riding. Fair enough. Surely Adrian is considering a pure carbon setup including the fuse soon enough ? Pretty sure the armie crew are developing a super HA flat as wing but I am assuming it won't be released until it's spot on.

Sadly Axis refuses to make a carbon fuselage and their carbon mast is heavy. They do make very fast wings with the black series, I've topped 20knots but it's not the perfect foil setup for me either :-)

Armie is a little anti-HA at the moment for some reason, he showed some crazy super high AR wing prototypes in a video recently but that's too extreme I wouldn't be surprised if Armstrong releases a different fuselage for HA wings for a stronger connection, we'll see....