Well, out for a pleasant day sail ,solo, predicted winds 11/12 knots ,they lied 15/20 +++ but anyway headed north up Broardwater from Jacobs Well to just short of Russell on a beam reach ( almost run at times) with jib and full main. Was thinking about putting a reef in when bang I was hit by a nasty gust and the Sonata went into a roundup.
At the time I was playing the jib sheet . With no wriggle room I let go the jib sheet and eased the main right out to quickly bring the bow around .
It was then I saw my jib and both sheets flying out ahead of me so I turned into the wind to retrieve the sheets .
Thinking about it does anyone knot the end of their sheets to prevent such?

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Bananabender said..
Well, out for a pleasant day sail ,solo, predicted winds 11/12 knots ,they lied 15/20 +++ but anyway headed north up Broardwater from Jacobs Well to just short of Russell on a beam reach ( almost run at times) with jib and full main. Was thinking about putting a reef in when bang I was hit by a nasty gust and the Sonata went into a roundup.
At the time I was playing the jib sheet . With no wriggle room I let go the jib sheet and eased the main right out to quickly bring the bow around .
It was then I saw my jib and both sheets flying out ahead of me so I turned into the wind to retrieve the sheets .
Thinking about it does anyone knot the end of their sheets to prevent such?

Of course.

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Bananabender said..
Well, out for a pleasant day sail ,solo, predicted winds 11/12 knots ,they lied 15/20 +++ but anyway headed north up Broardwater from Jacobs Well to just short of Russell on a beam reach ( almost run at times) with jib and full main. Was thinking about putting a reef in when bang I was hit by a nasty gust and the Sonata went into a roundup.
At the time I was playing the jib sheet . With no wriggle room I let go the jib sheet and eased the main right out to quickly bring the bow around .
It was then I saw my jib and both sheets flying out ahead of me so I turned into the wind to retrieve the sheets .
Thinking about it does anyone knot the end of their sheets to prevent such?

Yes. But I never knot a spinnaker sheet or other flying sail like my Drifter.

Little boat so tie the job sheets to each other if you like
with the round up leave the jib sheeted and dump mainsail

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lydia said..
Little boat so tie the job sheets to each other if you like
with the round up leave the jib sheeted and dump mainsail

Interesting idea. I'll try it . Yea I know but only had one turn on winch and no time to cleat off. You know once the sails are up I reckon a small boat solo is harder than say a 30 ft. with decent self tailers in a lot of ways .

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MorningBird said..

Bananabender said..
Well, out for a pleasant day sail ,solo, predicted winds 11/12 knots ,they lied 15/20 +++ but anyway headed north up Broardwater from Jacobs Well to just short of Russell on a beam reach ( almost run at times) with jib and full main. Was thinking about putting a reef in when bang I was hit by a nasty gust and the Sonata went into a roundup.
At the time I was playing the jib sheet . With no wriggle room I let go the jib sheet and eased the main right out to quickly bring the bow around .
It was then I saw my jib and both sheets flying out ahead of me so I turned into the wind to retrieve the sheets .
Thinking about it does anyone knot the end of their sheets to prevent such?

Yes. But I never knot a spinnaker sheet or other flying sail like my Drifter.

Wow never. I've broached with kite up more than once.

Hi Bananabender

Normally you would tie a figure eight knot in the end of each headsail sheet to prevent this from happening

Regards Don

Fig 8 knots in all sheets and halyards and carry a knife in the cockpit if the s---t hits the fan.

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Jode5 said..
Fig 8 knots in all sheets and halyards and carry a knife in the cockpit if the s---t hits the fan.

Don / Jode ,I'll think about Lydia's idea otherwise fig.8 Always carry
yachtie knife. Tks.

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Bananabender said..

MorningBird said..

Bananabender said..
Well, out for a pleasant day sail ,solo, predicted winds 11/12 knots ,they lied 15/20 +++ but anyway headed north up Broardwater from Jacobs Well to just short of Russell on a beam reach ( almost run at times) with jib and full main. Was thinking about putting a reef in when bang I was hit by a nasty gust and the Sonata went into a roundup.
At the time I was playing the jib sheet . With no wriggle room I let go the jib sheet and eased the main right out to quickly bring the bow around .
It was then I saw my jib and both sheets flying out ahead of me so I turned into the wind to retrieve the sheets .
Thinking about it does anyone knot the end of their sheets to prevent such?

Yes. But I never knot a spinnaker sheet or other flying sail like my Drifter.

Wow never. I've broached with kite up more than once.

No knots in spin sheets or braces.
If really fresh no knot in the spin halyard either.
Better to have it blow away and breeze keeps sail above the water to pulpit in.

As for rounding up, I sail a Sydney 38, over 25 knots in the ocean it is standard operating procedure as you will not even barely feel the rudder stall.
Does not means it is a bad boat just the foils are such there is little margin for error with the benefit it is a joy upwind in anything.
Occasionally i wish the balance was the other way!!

plus one for never knot kite sheets !!!!!!

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Bananabender said..

MorningBird said..

Bananabender said..
Well, out for a pleasant day sail ,solo, predicted winds 11/12 knots ,they lied 15/20 +++ but anyway headed north up Broardwater from Jacobs Well to just short of Russell on a beam reach ( almost run at times) with jib and full main. Was thinking about putting a reef in when bang I was hit by a nasty gust and the Sonata went into a roundup.
At the time I was playing the jib sheet . With no wriggle room I let go the jib sheet and eased the main right out to quickly bring the bow around .
It was then I saw my jib and both sheets flying out ahead of me so I turned into the wind to retrieve the sheets .
Thinking about it does anyone knot the end of their sheets to prevent such?

Yes. But I never knot a spinnaker sheet or other flying sail like my Drifter.

Wow never. I've broached with kite up more than once.

Knots in spinnaker sheets. A death wish!

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MorningBird said..

Bananabender said..
Well, out for a pleasant day sail ,solo, predicted winds 11/12 knots ,they lied 15/20 +++ but anyway headed north up Broardwater from Jacobs Well to just short of Russell on a beam reach ( almost run at times) with jib and full main. Was thinking about putting a reef in when bang I was hit by a nasty gust and the Sonata went into a roundup.
At the time I was playing the jib sheet . With no wriggle room I let go the jib sheet and eased the main right out to quickly bring the bow around .
It was then I saw my jib and both sheets flying out ahead of me so I turned into the wind to retrieve the sheets .
Thinking about it does anyone knot the end of their sheets to prevent such?

Yes. But I never knot a spinnaker sheet or other flying sail like my Drifter.

Ummm, how much wind do you have your drifter up in?

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lydia said..

Bananabender said..

MorningBird said..

Bananabender said..
Well, out for a pleasant day sail ,solo, predicted winds 11/12 knots ,they lied 15/20 +++ but anyway headed north up Broardwater from Jacobs Well to just short of Russell on a beam reach ( almost run at times) with jib and full main. Was thinking about putting a reef in when bang I was hit by a nasty gust and the Sonata went into a roundup.
At the time I was playing the jib sheet . With no wriggle room I let go the jib sheet and eased the main right out to quickly bring the bow around .
It was then I saw my jib and both sheets flying out ahead of me so I turned into the wind to retrieve the sheets .
Thinking about it does anyone knot the end of their sheets to prevent such?

Yes. But I never knot a spinnaker sheet or other flying sail like my Drifter.

Wow never. I've broached with kite up more than once.

No knots in spin sheets or braces.
If really fresh no knot in the spin halyard either.
Better to have it blow away and breeze keeps sail above the water to pulpit in.

As for rounding up, I sail a Sydney 38, over 25 knots in the ocean it is standard operating procedure as you will not even barely feel the rudder stall.
Does not means it is a bad boat just the foils are such there is little margin for error with the benefit it is a joy upwind in anything.
Occasionally i wish the balance was the other way!!

The only lines I ever had knots in previous boats were those that went into the mast ie.
main and headsail halyards. Mind you 80% of time I had crew and winch handle ,cleating etc. was needed in breeze whereas in my toy now one wrap around winch and hold in hand sitting to weather. Only time I wish I was a few kgs. Heavier

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MorningBird said..

Bananabender said..

MorningBird said..

Bananabender said..
Well, out for a pleasant day sail ,solo, predicted winds 11/12 knots ,they lied 15/20 +++ but anyway headed north up Broardwater from Jacobs Well to just short of Russell on a beam reach ( almost run at times) with jib and full main. Was thinking about putting a reef in when bang I was hit by a nasty gust and the Sonata went into a roundup.
At the time I was playing the jib sheet . With no wriggle room I let go the jib sheet and eased the main right out to quickly bring the bow around .
It was then I saw my jib and both sheets flying out ahead of me so I turned into the wind to retrieve the sheets .
Thinking about it does anyone knot the end of their sheets to prevent such?

Yes. But I never knot a spinnaker sheet or other flying sail like my Drifter.

Wow never. I've broached with kite up more than once.

Knots in spinnaker sheets. A death wish!

I have never had an issue with knots, but I do run long sheets and braces. Have only ever had to call for the knife one time and that was off Break Sea Spit in A Brisbane to Gladstone race where we were hit by a 45 knot squall. Sheet, brace and halyard out to the ends and spinnaker flying 40 feet out from the boat. Cut the halyard and easily retrieved the spinnaker.

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lydia said..
Little boat so tie the job sheets to each other if you like
with the round up leave the jib sheeted and dump mainsail

Interesting idea. I'll try it . Yea I know but only had one turn on winch and no time to cleat off. You know once the sails are up I reckon a small boat solo is harder than say a 30 ft. with decent self tailers in a lot of ways .

Hi BB, I'm another for dumping the main.
We had a causal race last night, where we had the gennaker (100 m2) and full main (50 m2) up threading our way between Green and St Helena Islands. It was a beam reach and in the gusts it's traveller down to the stops and ease mainsheet. I rarely touch the gennaker unless its really blowing hard.
If we don't ease the main, the helm becomes redundant very rapidly!

Yep +1 for easing the main. I have a shoal draft so have to reef the main early or the weather helm gets to be too much very quickly. Usually after reefing the windward pressure on the bow eases right up. Same when dealing with gusts.
Somewhat unrelated but when I fitted a folding prop that also reduced the weather helm a lot and the boat balances much better.

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shaggybaxter said..

Bananabender said..

lydia said..
Little boat so tie the job sheets to each other if you like
with the round up leave the jib sheeted and dump mainsail

Interesting idea. I'll try it . Yea I know but only had one turn on winch and no time to cleat off. You know once the sails are up I reckon a small boat solo is harder than say a 30 ft. with decent self tailers in a lot of ways .

Hi BB, I'm another for dumping the main.
We had a causal race last night, where we had the gennaker (100 m2) and full main (50 m2) up threading our way between Green and St Helena Islands. It was a beam reach and in the gusts it's traveller down to the stops and ease mainsheet. I rarely touch the gennaker unless its really blowing hard.
If we don't ease the main, the helm becomes redundant very rapidly!

Hi SB ,
Yea , I should have had the jib cleated off and probably should have put a reef in instead of thinking about it but only wusses reef early don't they? What a at my age ,mainsheet,jib sheet and tiller in two hands and no reef in over 15kn
Anyway the adrenaline rush is as good as S.. . That's a lie can't remember what it was like to compare.

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Jethrow said..

MorningBird said..

Bananabender said..
Well, out for a pleasant day sail ,solo, predicted winds 11/12 knots ,they lied 15/20 +++ but anyway headed north up Broardwater from Jacobs Well to just short of Russell on a beam reach ( almost run at times) with jib and full main. Was thinking about putting a reef in when bang I was hit by a nasty gust and the Sonata went into a roundup.
At the time I was playing the jib sheet . With no wriggle room I let go the jib sheet and eased the main right out to quickly bring the bow around .
It was then I saw my jib and both sheets flying out ahead of me so I turned into the wind to retrieve the sheets .
Thinking about it does anyone knot the end of their sheets to prevent such?

Yes. But I never knot a spinnaker sheet or other flying sail like my Drifter.

Ummm, how much wind do you have your drifter up in?

Very light, less than 10kts. It is such a light sail a gust to 15 could be nasty.

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Futurecruiser said..
Yep +1 for easing the main. I have a shoal draft so have to reef the main early or the weather helm gets to be too much very quickly. Usually after reefing the windward pressure on the bow eases right up. Same when dealing with gusts.
Somewhat unrelated but when I fitted a folding prop that also reduced the weather helm a lot and the boat balances much better.

Not unrelated at all.
Folding prop means better flow over the foil so foil does not let go i.e. round up.

Figure of 8s with tails long enough to do a sheet bend so you can tie another line to it and winch it out if need be. The same old man that told me that also said : if you are thinking about putting a reef in it should already be in , if you are thinking about taking a reef out have a cup of tea and see.
If you are short handed and the wind is aft off the beam just drop the main.

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tarquin1 said..
Figure of 8s with tails long enough to do a sheet bend so you can tie another line to it and winch it out if need be. The same old man that told me that also said : if you are thinking about putting a reef in it should already be in , if you are thinking about taking a reef out have a cup of tea and see.
If you are short handed and the wind is aft off the beam just drop the main.

Very wise advice. The long tail I don't do, but I will now.

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tarquin1 said..
Figure of 8s with tails long enough to do a sheet bend so you can tie another line to it and winch it out if need be. The same old man that told me that also said : if you are thinking about putting a reef in it should already be in , if you are thinking about taking a reef out have a cup of tea and see.
If you are short handed and the wind is aft off the beam just drop the main.

All very true. Like the long tail idea. Enough of the 'old man' experienced
yachtie please.

G'day, figure 8 in jib sheets.
No knots in kite sheets
As soon as the rudder starts to stall, blow vang you can usually regain steerage this way & drive back down.

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tarquin1 said..
Figure of 8s with tails long enough to do a sheet bend so you can tie another line to it and winch it out if need be. The same old man that told me that also said : if you are thinking about putting a reef in it should already be in , if you are thinking about taking a reef out have a cup of tea and see.
If you are short handed and the wind is aft off the beam just drop the main.

Sounds like we were taught by the same old man

Don't use a figure 8 knot at the end of your sheets. Use a slip knot. One quick pull and it's undone. I use this on my spinnaker sheets without problem.

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Foolish said..
Don't use a figure 8 knot at the end of your sheets. Use a slip knot. One quick pull and it's undone. I use this on my spinnaker sheets without problem.

I'm another for this one. We also do this to the lazy sheet at the turning block right next to the winch to keep it from dragging.
I got lazy last week in a night race and didn't do it, and spent the next 15 minutes hanging over the side of the boat unwrapping it from around the rudder It's amazing me how heavy a sheet gets when it's being skull-dragged behind the boat!

This old quote comes to mind "We must free ourselves of the hope that the sea will ever rest. We must learn to sail in high winds."- Aristotle Onassis.