...if one is handling them the way it has been shown on 7 news tonight!

I am in a filthy mood tonight and on the top of that a sailor was coiling a length of double braid rope the way it should not be coiled. Premier plan. On the news! Crikey! (he was cooling a twist at each turn into the bundle so at the end he would end up with a spider web no matter what)

If we are shown the incorrect way doing things, we all are going to grow up stupid.

It is my pet hate, properly tying knots and cooling ropes, and how could one point out one's mistake after this?
"I'we seen it on tv Mate!"
Bugger!

Feeling better after that Sirg

I remember an advert where a bloke with a waterside boat yard was doing similar. IIRC it was a super ad or similar. I remember it because it was discussed in my Marine Study class at high school. That was a long time ago.

I would say almost nobody would remember it, and we certainly weren't dumbed down by it. I wouldn't let this one bother you. It's not worth the anger. Not while it isn't on your boat anyway..

When I was in France, I had a seasoned single hander showing me how to rig the boat.
He didn't coil at all, he simply grabbed a loop at a time and stuffed it into the canvas rope holders in the cockpit, one handful at a time.
Time intensive compared to looping, but it pays out of the bag perfectly every time, you don't pull the sheet or halyard before deploying out of the bag at all. it was a real eye opener for me.

You must be over 50?
Angry old man syndrome
Know exactly how you feel.

Yeah, well Shaggy, l could have shown you that saving you an air ticket .
It is an old trick, but sometimes one has to coil sheets, warps, mooring lines which must be coiled differently according to their construction. lf one coils all ropes the same way he is going to be the one who throws the rope to the Marina to tie up and the coil falls into the water half way to the wharf to everybodies embarrassment.
Angry old man's syndrome. Hey? Yep.
I wish l was just over fifty, again.

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sirgallivant said..
...if one is handling them the way it has been shown on 7 news tonight!

I am in a filthy mood tonight and on the top of that a sailor was coiling a length of double braid rope the way it should not be coiled. Premier plan. On the news! Crikey! (he was cooling a twist at each turn into the bundle so at the end he would end up with a spider web no matter what)

If we are shown the incorrect way doing things, we all are going to grow up stupid.

It is my pet hate, properly tying knots and cooling ropes, and how could one point out one's mistake after this?
"I'we seen it on tv Mate!"
Bugger!

Now, if we could only apply the same logic to the garden hose. Hang it beside the tap on too hooks using the figure 8 method. One day we'll be able to buy these double hook hose hangers from bunnies and never ever have a garden hose with a kink in it.

Yep, I've had to bravely fight the crew off tiding up the main halyard on numerous occasions. It is alway pickup as and stuffed unceremoniously into the bag. This is one rope you never want to get a twist in.

I put on a new genoa sheet one day. I run a continuous single sheet to save on tangles in the cockpit, and my mate was ready with the knife to cut it saying 'ya forgot to chop it up, mate!
I managed to stop him, but just.

You don't know what twists are until you sail a big boat where you need to use winches 100% of the time. Ropes are all long and you require 4 to 5 wraps on the winch to winch on, but you need to throw a couple wraps off to ease the ropes which causes the twists. Halyards, furling lines, sheets, all get twists and all requiring to constantly be unraveled.

Well, my private ride is a 28 but the family boat is a Benny 523 Oceanic Clipper, so l got a fair idea of the electric whinches with thick sheets and mast furling mains, no worries, as well as the cost of maintenance.
You have it all. It's yours! I don't want a bit of it.
I have more fun on mine than l would on that Ginpalace. That piece of crap nearly killed me few years ago.

I have just re-rigged the boat and went from 10mm double braid to 8mm spectra on the halyards. What a difference that makes?! My winches love it too.

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Toph said..
Feeling better after that Sirg

I remember an advert where a bloke with a waterside boat yard was doing similar. IIRC it was a super ad or similar. I remember it because it was discussed in my Marine Study class at high school. That was a long time ago.

I would say almost nobody would remember it, and we certainly weren't dumbed down by it. I wouldn't let this one bother you. It's not worth the anger. Not while it isn't on your boat anyway..

I remember that ad Toph. Bloke standing on his boat looking into the middle distance coiling
his rope into a perfect figure of eight. Brilliant.

Ummm. ropes? on a boat? my old sailing teacher told me adamantly that there are definitely no ropes on a boat, do you mean lines?

You pedantic bugger...

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Bruski068 said..
Ummm. ropes? on a boat? my old sailing teacher told me adamantly that there are definitely no ropes on a boat, do you mean lines?

I got rope on my boat. It turns into lines when I take it off the spool and cut it.

Now who's the king of semantics?

I've been thinking of using ski ropes of larger diameter on my stern even for towing a dinghy as these float and would not get tangled
Any thought good or bad Please?

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sirgallivant said..
You pedantic bugger...

Ease up Sirg....he is a Victorian

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HG02 said..
I've been thinking of using ski ropes of larger diameter on my stern even for towing a dinghy as these float and would not get tangled
Any thought good or bad Please?

Polypropylene trap rope floats but you can still get it around your prop if you try hard enough!

Actually, I read an interesting piece a short time ago saying that forming the line into a figure 8 was actually better in terms of allowing it to run without a kink. I can't recall where it was, but the evidence sounded pretty good. If you have been taught to roll or twist the line as you coil it then it's not hard to understand that you are actually forcing it to become twisted.

Anchor rope !

It all depends on the consruction and the material of the rope.

If it is a laid rope it might be right hand, or 'z' laid - should be coiled clockwise - or left hand or 's' laid rope - should be coiled counter clockwise. Those used to be maid of natural fibres like hemp, manila,sisal,flax, coir.
This fibres are only approximately 1 meter long the only exception is silk which is produced of long continuous fibres called filaments. Like modern synthetic fibres.

Synthetic fibres - filaments - can be produced in any length like polyester, polyamide,aramid, dyneema, spectra, vectran, zylon.

The fibres twisted into threads, which are twisted into strands, which are twisted into ropes.

Made ropes - synthetic fibres - are three strand laid (left or right hand), square braided, single braided, double braided, parallel core braided.

And this is only the beginning. It is a dark art...

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Bruski068 said..
Ummm. ropes? on a boat? my old sailing teacher told me adamantly that there are definitely no ropes on a boat, do you mean lines?

I thought cisco would've been along before now to tell you there are 2 ropes to be found on a boat (from a recent thread.. IIRC he claimed a bell rope and a hangman's rope).

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Chris 249 said..
Actually, I read an interesting piece a short time ago saying that forming the line into a figure 8 was actually better in terms of allowing it to run without a kink. I can't recall where it was, but the evidence sounded pretty good. If you have been taught to roll or twist the line as you coil it then it's not hard to understand that you are actually forcing it to become twisted.

Yeah last time this came up a remembered seeing something similar. I could remember where so I didn't say anything, but I have heard the same.

When I water skied years ago we always fed the rope back into a bucket hand over hand in doing this it never tangled or no one ever lost a finger and it never knots up. The ski rope was just anchored to either side of the stern with a small float so it never tangles in the prop

Its a rope when its in the shop!! But two ropes on a yacht are, a bolt rope and a bellrope.

The advert on TV was a NAB advert for small business loans, always thought the bloke was coiling the rope wrong, but have a look at this you tube clip and you might change your mind.

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retired said..
Its a rope when its in the shop!! But two ropes on a yacht are, a bolt rope and a bellrope.

The advert on TV was a NAB advert for small business loans, always thought the bloke was coiling the rope wrong, but have a look at this you tube clip and you might change your mind.

I thought everyone did this. If you cant just pile it into a bag or drop it on the floor this is what you do. Coils that are not figure of eight scare the living bejesus out of me. I cant remember when I last had a line that didn't run - must be decades ago.