Hi all still getting through the amount of information and learning as much as I can. Got onto a crew for a winter comp out of

RANSA starting this weekend so very happy to get hours up on the water and learn as much as I can. My family are very

supportive even putting money aside when I decide to do a proper course later on.

Well question is about boat and which one I have noticed good ocean boats such as s&s34, Arends, Brolga, Nantucket 33

and Albin Vega 27 to name a few good vessels.


But what would be wrong with something like this Boro temptress given the price is low but its the material specs etc I'm

interested in and why one would steer away from this kind of purchase?

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-873841/1983-BORO-TEMPTRESS-34?WT.seg_4=PriceAlert%3BPCAA



This thread would be good for any beginner such as myself to start from and the insight from this forums members would be

great information.

Thanks Jorge

G'day Jorge. At 11 tonnes she won't go far fast but might be comfortable. I don't know these boats so will leave others to comment on the design and steel construction.
Condition is critical. As I've said before if you want an ocean going safe boat that size you will end up parting with about $60k. For a popular design like the S&S it will be between $60 and 80k. If you pay $30k be prepared to spend another $30k.
Others do it cheaper, I just visited a S&S 34 bought for $25k and all up about $45k. But I wouldn't want to be in her offshore with original rigging and limited useful safety gear.

Built 1983 in steel very possible has some rust some where in the hull or keel

You get what you pay for Morning bird is on the money when he said preprepared to spend money. The less you spend on your boat when you buy it means to make it sea worth and safe you coulds easily spend just as much again in preparation

Albin vega 27 ..? that's a first for me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


is that like a skoda car or something ?


i,m most definitely no expert on SV,s but the Albin vega .................... gamble !!!!

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Hi SandS

not that im biased or anything, but .....


The Albin Vega was a brand of yacht designed in 1965 and put into production in 1966 after extensive sea trials. Production ended in 1979 with almost 3400 hulls built. The manufacturer was Albin Marin of Kristinehamn, Sweden.The Vega is considered a solid sailboat and it has cruised around the world on many occasions, the more extreme being trips made byJarle Andhøy and his crews to Antarctica[1] and to the north of Spitsbergen[2] in Berserk. A 36 year old Albin Vega sailboat, christened the St. Brendan in honor of the 6th-century Irish explorer monk, was used by Matt Rutherford of Annapolis, Maryland in his successful 314 day, 27,077 mile solo circumnavigation of North and South America which was officially completed on April 18, 2012, when Rutherford crossed the start and finish line—the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel outside Norfolk, Virginia .[3]

http://bluewaterboats.org/albin-vega-27/

www.bluemoment.com/boatreviews/vegareview.html


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Jorge, don't be put off - go the albin vega - legendary !

Thanks Keelkicker , interesting read . So now ive heard about the albin vega ! sounds like the hulls were layed up nice and thick but the decks flex under foot a fair bit .......

I guess any boat could be a good boat for someone . As long as it has been well maintained over its life span .

My advice Jorge ........... try and find a well maintained , good windward sailing vessel with a reliable engine and systems . buy it and and start enjoying it .

if that turns out to be a vega then so be it . .............. not sure she will sail to windward very well though !

Get yourself one of these little jiggers, a Lotus 9.2, the biggest little 30 footer around.

Able to withstand three whale strikes in a row, able to be dragged over Fijian reefs and not take a drop of water, able to take 180 degree knock downs in 60 knots of wind leaving Noumea and come up smiling, able to survive cabin fires, be written off by insurance companies and then be rejuvenated by faithful owners, able to win short handed offshore races........SUPER YACHT, the Lotus 9.2 while in the guise of a mild mannered inshore family cruiser fights a never ending battle for truth, justice and the sailor's way.

See.....Boating New Zealand, January 2012, page 114, MY Boat...Kirsten J.

Here is mine. My Second Wind.




She just looks like she is going fast when she sitting still and she got Red Velvet upholstery.

http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/lotus-9-2/164105

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/lotus-9-2/153751

Hi Gorge,
I go by that Boro every day. It is between my boat and the showers etc at East Coast Marina.
I knew it was for sale but hadn't really looked at it as I am in the same situation as Cisco in that I have recently purchased my current boat and am very happy with what I have. I was actually going to look at the boat that Cisco bought but he bought it before I got the chance to go down there.
As a steel boat, the Boro would need a very thorough survey by someone that knows steel boats. It certainly looks like a lot of boat for the money but as with all boats it can be a gamble.

Great videos, really enjoyed them.
Gorge, a steel boat would be great sailing around icebergs, but fibreglass is lower maitainence and easy to repair, I figure if you are looking around the sub 30K you are going to be doing a lot of work to make it seaworthy and a fibreglass boat makes more sense. Often it can be much cheaper to spend more at the beginning buying a boat that has requires less work but then again its better to have a boat that needs work than not to have one at all. Just remeber if any project on a boat takes twice as long and costs half as you thought it would then your doing fine. Good luck

Thanks everyone...

I understand from all your posts that cheap doesn't mean a good buy. I'm not buying probably for a while but asking these

questions as amateurish as they are helps me and others that use that search button quite a bit.

Starting so late in my life I really want to make the right choices and not rush into something I have no idea about which could

result in hurting myself and my family..baby steps.

the boat I will buy probably wont be my first so the resale needs to be good hopefully...

Crewing is my 1st step starting in winter on Sydney harbour will be a great intro to what I would like to achieve...

I've had several conversations with MorningBird who has given me a realistic view into what I'm actually getting into without the

gloss..

as for the boats all of the above are on my list including Lotus now thanks to Cisco...

and for those that are starting everything has a beginning.

i recall your first post stating your are looking at sailing over the horizon with your small family and dog?

The suggested boats on this new post seem to be around the 27 foot to 35 foot....now this is not impossible but in reality if your moving from a large house into a small rocking Pod this can be quite overwhelming!

I moved from a 4 bedroom house into a 37 foot duncanson raised deck......for me it was simple as I was single, not that tall and had previous experience camping on small yachts.

I lasted 6 years aboard solo most of the time , I experienced some amazing cruising but also some bouts of depression. So the decision was made to sell up and up size.

After loading 420kg worth of books,dive gear,personal processions onto my new larger 42 foot yacht I'm still scratching my head trying to find room, swearing and cursing when rumiging in a locker looking for something.....etc. however bumping head has improved and even some of my 6 foot bikie friends dont have that problem anymore.

What I would suggest is find a boat 4 sale under 35 foot and take the misses/wife/dog and child and arrange a viewing. Have a look at wardrobe space, the size of beds, size of galley , size of cockpit and saloon areas, head and shower. And try picture your family living in these conditions for a long period of time?

Im not trying to be negative here but just sharing my experience as most of my previous girlfriends and myself lived out of bags while aboard the 37 footer and on my 42 there's basicly only enough wardrobe room for my own belongings again!

Agree with Southace, u need size to live aboard. My suggestion would be try a boat in the size you are looking for, sail it for a couple of years and then upsize. If you get a popular production boat you won't lose much. You won't be going offshore for a few years but something like the S&S or a smaller Compass or many others will allow you to venture out on day sails. A cheap boat will then be viable provided it is safe. If you hate it little is lost. If you love it you will have the knowledge to get what you want in a few years.

Hi Jorge,

I'm in Double Bay just around from ransa. If you'd like to come have a look at / sail on my 31 footer (Adams 31 cc) sometime, just PM me.

Rog

Southace your not being negative your spot on about space. After talking to a few of the experienced on this forum I came to the realisation that the original idea still stands just modified... I need to be realistic hence the boast size and down size as I need experience and enjoying the water at the same time. Last thing I need is to get the bigger boat to find out my wife and I cant manage it just to name one hurdle. So the coastal cruising for now then see how things progress. I have learnt to be patient with this so I want to enjoy it as I see this as a lifestyle no just a phase.

MorningBird thanks again for the advise and your suggestion is basically what I'm going to do I'm seeing this year out on some different boats crewing to get a feel then buy something next year by then I'll have a better idea what will suit myself and family.

Thanks Drog might take you up on that.


Thanks J

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jorgef said..
Thanks everyone...



Starting so late in my life I really want to make the right choices and not rush into something I have no idea about which could

result in hurting myself and my family..baby steps.

the boat I will buy probably wont be my first so the resale needs to be good hopefully...

This is where the rubber meets the road.

If starting boating late in life you need to make the best choice possible for your first yacht and be prepared to own it long term.

The yacht market is very flat and it can be easy to buy but very difficult to sell. There are still some very good bargains out there. keep a good eye on Gumtree and Ebay.

Even though I bought my yacht at a fairly good price for a yacht that was ready to go, it still needs considerable money ( say $5k to $10k) spent on it but more importantly a lot of time to get her up to scratch and the way I want her.

You will no doubt go through the same process.

Take note of Southace's words re living out of a bag (a small one at that). I lived out of a bag on my 42 footer, and that was in the tropics where not many clothes were needed.

For you, wife and two kids I suggest nothing less than 30 foot and nothing more than 40 foot with something in the middle of that being close to ideal. A very roomy yacht in that size is the Van De Stadt 34.

A few examples.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/results?BoatType=Sail&Make=VAN%20DE%20STADT&LengthInFeet_Min=33&LengthInFeet_Max=35&SiloType_Demo-and-near-new-boats=true&SiloType_Dealer-new-boats=true&SiloType_Dealer-used-boats=true&SiloType_Private-used-boats=true

This one looks reasonable for the price and it is in steel.

www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-808745/1988-VAN-DE-STADT-34-SLOOP?

A few more examples.

Temugin in aluminium is a lovely example. The VDS 34 is one yacht that will have the room for a small family, be easy enough to handle and will perform.

Hey Jorgef.

I'm in the same boat as you - I don't have one yet ha ha!
I've been looking for a while also, but it will be just me and the wife when we eventually head off somewhere.

To all the salty sea dogs out there, what is your opinion of the South Coast 36 footers?
Sailing performance, build quality etc...

There's a few I like the look of, some ketches, some not.

N&Z

The South Coast yachts are well regarded. I looked at a couple of 31s, I liked them.

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Hey Jorgef.

I'm in the same boat as you - I don't have one yet ha ha!
I've been looking for a while also, but it will be just me and the wife when we eventually head off somewhere.

To all the salty sea dogs out there, what is your opinion of the South Coast 36 footers?
Sailing performance, build quality etc...

There's a few I like the look of, some ketches, some not.

N&Z

Have a ketch locally. Bit of a slug. Good motor sailor.

Hi Romona,
South Coast 36. I have never owned or sailed on one but there was a time I considered buying one and looked at a few so here is what I thought of them.
VOLUME, plenty of it. They are big boats, even for a 36 footer.
SAIL AREA. Whether ketch or sloop, I think the boat would be generally under canvassed. My research at the time led me to believe that they were anything other than a good performer. You may not be interested in a performance boat but if you intend going offshore or long coastal trips then performance plays a part. You dont need a rocket but you DO need a passagemaker.
BUILD QUALITY. There was a bit of a mix in the build quality. I'm not sure whether all the hulls were produced in the one place or whether some were laid up independently but some were better than others.
FIT OUT. I saw one or two with extremely good fit outs and one or two more that a six year old could have done better.
Generally I think they are a very nice boat. The center cockpit and hard dodger are excellent for all season sailing, it has all the volume you could want but I think at the expense of sailing ability. One of the ones I looked at had a 20hp Bukh as its main motor and I would imagine that it would be extremely underpowered.
Thats just my point of view. Hopefully someone who has had one can comment from personal experience.

Thanks guys.

I'm slowly beginning to learn what sort of boat might be a bit of a tub.
This South Coast I've been watching looks great to me but I can see that it might take eons to get anywhere:

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/south-coast-36/140243

As you say Franrick, you don't need a rocket, but you do need something that can get a bit of a move on.
Seeing as my wife and I plan to live aboard for a while, we need something that is not too cramped. So I'm looking at 36ft minimum.

I'd think that this Adams I also like would get a bit more of a move on?

www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-2747205/1989-ADAMS-40?cr=10&psq=%28%28%28%28BoatType%3D%5BSail%5D%26LengthInFeet%3Drange%5B34..50%5D%29%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BDemo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20boats%5D%29%29%26Service%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%26Make%3D%5BADAMS%5D%29&pso=0&pss=Premium

N&Z.

I have one of these Adams40s NowandZen so my opinion my be a bit one sided. They are a proven blue water boat with many having circumnavigated the world. I paid a lot more money for mine than this one is advertised and still had to do a lot of work. But even thought the prices have dropped a fair bit since I brought my boat, beware. You need to be able to inspect every inch of the steel interior. Mine was rusting from the inside out, but the guy who surveyed it told me it was in very good condition. This boat may in fact be a good one but make sure you factor in all those other thing$ you consider essential when doing up your budget.

Being steel means they will be a bit slower than the fibreglass Adams of similar length but it also means you get a more comfortable ride in rough weather. They have a lower centre of gravity than some of the more roomy (higher freeboard) production boats, which also adds to a more comfortable ride because the cockpit is lower. There is over 6ft head room in the main cabin but not in the forward V-Berth or aft cabin.

And in line with what southace said, no matter how big the boat is, you will fill it up with gear and still wish for more stowage space.

Even with 2 able bodied sailors on board, the boat has to be set up so it can be sailed by one person. Your wife. My hands a full lifting the main sail around and I'm glad its not a 45 footer. The Adams40 were considered a fast cruising boat and the hull shape means they don't need a massive rig to do this. Most marinas you go into have lots of 12m berths and so there is usually always room when needed.

My opinion (for what it's worth) based on talking to other sailors is that for 2 sailors a 37 to 42 foot boat is about right.

The boat you have shown here is a shoal draft and may have a swing keel (centreboard). Make sure you have a good look at this. Moving parts under the waterline could be an issue if not maintained properly.

Later this year I'm planning/hoping to take my Adams40 to the West Coast of NZ South Island (weather permitting) to check out places like Milford Sound after spending some time around New Caledonia till summer comes on. I'm 100% confident in the boat, it's just the guy hanging onto the the wheel that concerns me.

Good luck with the hunt and keep the dream alive

I'm biased but have a look at this one.

http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/jarkan-10-5/166832

The sale price is ridiculous and they always say "if it's too good to be true it's too good to be true".

If it's as good as it looks it will be awesome. Using the right sails they do 6 knots with ease and no weather helm. Last Tuesday I did 6 knots plus down Pittwater with just our MPS up. That was the good point of the day as we dragged anchor at Pearl Beach and hit bottom.

This one may be a little under powered but the motor only has 360 hours (like new). An earlier owner of ours replaced the motor (now 28HP). Oh and look at the sails inventory and it says rigging was replaced only 4 years ago. There must be a catch!!!

As someone else posted that they are like the Tardis inside although they do not have the beam of the modern design.

Remember though, it's never over after the purchase you need deep pockets to own (and maintain in great condition) a yacht.

Good luck.

ps The photo of "Second Wind" looks great and I passed "Morningbird" a week ago as I motored in to Salt Pan to check out a colleagues new mooring near the wharf (yes it's very shelterd)

adams 35 are very good especially mine

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NowandZen said..
Thanks guys.

I'm slowly beginning to learn what sort of boat might be a bit of a tub.
This South Coast I've been watching looks great to me but I can see that it might take eons to get anywhere:

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/south-coast-36/140243

As you say Franrick, you don't need a rocket, but you do need something that can get a bit of a move on.
Seeing as my wife and I plan to live aboard for a while, we need something that is not too cramped. So I'm looking at 36ft minimum.

I'd think that this Adams I also like would get a bit more of a move on?

www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/private/used/SSE-AD-2747205/1989-ADAMS-40?cr=10&psq=%28%28%28%28BoatType%3D%5BSail%5D%26LengthInFeet%3Drange%5B34..50%5D%29%26%28%28%28SiloType%3D%5BDemo%20and%20near%20new%20boats%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20new%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20boats%5D%29%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20boats%5D%29%29%26Service%3D%5BBoatsales%5D%29%26Make%3D%5BADAMS%5D%29&pso=0&pss=Premium

N&Z.

I believe my Adams 42 was originally a Adams 40 as it seems the solid transom is forward of the lasserete hatch and I can find no other shoal draft fibreglass Adams 42.