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Created by garymalmgren garymalmgren  > 9 months ago, 29 Mar 2021
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garymalmgren
garymalmgren

1365 posts

29 Mar 2021 10:01am
I am sure that everyone will have their opinion on this one.
I have two thoughts.
The rescue tow/rescue vessels only have one person aboard and the police boat helmsman doesn't seem to have a (serious) life vest.
Anyway the skipper was lucky that there was help so close at hand.
Pay no attention to the dramatic "Capsized" headline.
gary
2bish
2bish

TAS

823 posts

29 Mar 2021 2:43pm
Interesting Gary, it seems like they had the wrong approach. Taking the main halyard to a boat abeam would have floated it and allowed them to maneuver it into deeper water and probably have it done and dusted in ten minutes.
saltiest1
saltiest1

NSW

2562 posts

29 Mar 2021 5:01pm
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2bish said..
Interesting Gary, it seems like they had the wrong approach. Taking the main halyard to a boat abeam would have floated it and allowed them to maneuver it into deeper water and probably have it done and dusted in ten minutes.


Painful to watch. The tow vessel plus halyard to police would've had her off in a minute.
Achernar
Achernar

QLD

395 posts

29 Mar 2021 5:49pm
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2bish said..
Interesting Gary, it seems like they had the wrong approach. Taking the main halyard to a boat abeam would have floated it and allowed them to maneuver it into deeper water and probably have it done and dusted in ten minutes.


Do you mean, heal her over on her beam ends and drag her out sideways? Would the mast and rigging be up to it?
garymalmgren
garymalmgren

1365 posts

29 Mar 2021 4:02pm
Do you mean, heal her over on her beam ends and drag her out sideways? Would the mast and rigging be up to it?

Yep Arch. There is a youtube of a boat being retrieved like that in France,
Off the rocks and right out through the breakers.
Dragged sideways. That video demonstrates just how much punishment rigging can take.
As Saltiest was saying, there are two rescue vessels. One would put sideways on the halyard to induce heel and lower the draft while the other would pull her forward into deeper water.


My point was that the rescue boats had no crew aboard to handle lines.
You will see the surfer in the water trying to fling the line up to the boat.
Quite strange actually.

gary
wildemann
wildemann

VIC

80 posts

29 Mar 2021 8:06pm
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saltiest1 said..

2bish said..
Interesting Gary, it seems like they had the wrong approach. Taking the main halyard to a boat abeam would have floated it and allowed them to maneuver it into deeper water and probably have it done and dusted in ten minutes.



Painful to watch. The tow vessel plus halyard to police would've had her off in a minute.


I'm sure that I've heard of a local case of someone (Vic police or coastguard?) declining to do this on the basis of potential liability or hazard.
Don't know the specifics of whether it was a general policy or just a judgment call in a particular case.
Lazzz
Lazzz

NSW

910 posts

30 Mar 2021 7:45am
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2bish said..
Taking the main halyard to a boat abeam would have floated it and allowed them to maneuver it into deeper water and probably have it done and dusted in ten minutes.


Yep, this is the method we use to navigate Swansea Channel sometimes.




LooseChange
LooseChange

NSW

2140 posts

30 Mar 2021 9:24am
Haulover Inlet is always interesting, never a dull day. Navionics shows a depth of 17' in the area where the boat grounded and that sandbar is quite mobile, never in the same spot twice.
There are about three youtubers that cover the Haulover Inlet, always interesting to see the credit card captains have at it.
Craig66
Craig66

NSW

2466 posts

30 Mar 2021 10:38am
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Lazzz said..

2bish said..
Taking the main halyard to a boat abeam would have floated it and allowed them to maneuver it into deeper water and probably have it done and dusted in ten minutes.



Yep, this is the method we use to navigate Swansea Channel sometimes.





you beat me to it Lazzz

As to the gentle pull on the rigging (in this photo) id think it would be less stressful than a spinnaker loading up on a windy, gusty day and laying the boat over.
UncleBob
UncleBob

NSW

1301 posts

30 Mar 2021 2:12pm
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Craig66 said..

Lazzz said..


2bish said..
Taking the main halyard to a boat abeam would have floated it and allowed them to maneuver it into deeper water and probably have it done and dusted in ten minutes.




Yep, this is the method we use to navigate Swansea Channel sometimes.





you beat me to it Lazzz

As to the gentle pull on the rigging (in this photo) id think it would be less stressful than a spinnaker loading up on a windy, gusty day and laying the boat over.


Have to agree, time honoured solution to reducing the draught short term.
Stockie
Stockie

NSW

343 posts

31 Mar 2021 8:50pm
Is that the channel from the lake near Marks point?
I went through there this Xmas after the dredge had supposedly been through. My modest 1.95m had issues both times, in and out. But I was lucky enough to push through each time!
richard
Stockie
Stockie

NSW

343 posts

31 Mar 2021 8:50pm
Is that the channel from the lake near Marks point?
I went through there this Xmas after the dredge had supposedly been through. My modest 1.95m had issues both times, in and out. But I was lucky enough to push through each time!
richard
Lazzz
Lazzz

NSW

910 posts

1 Apr 2021 4:30pm
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Stockie said..
Is that the channel from the lake near Marks point?


Yep

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Stockie said..
I went through there this Xmas after the dredge had supposedly been through. My modest 1.95m had issues both times, in and out. But I was lucky enough to push through each time!
richard


You can be lucky!!
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