So is it normal to discuss sail dimensions, cloth, hardware etc etc at length during a number of conversations and then be quoted a price and asked for a deposit and then after the deposit is received to be send a full specification stating that sailbags are not included "because they will be stored on boom and about furler" (lazy jack boom bag was also ordered)? Seems the height of cheek to me and not a good way to start out with a relationship where they can screw you over in so many ways making trust essential.

While my last new sails did indeed come in sail bags, I can see the logic in roller furling or boom mount sail bag arrangement could negate the need for them. It's all cost to the sailmaker.

If you didn't discuss sail bags it would seem reasonable for them to be excluded.
You can simply ask for a quote sail bags if you think that they are necessary.

Do you have sail bags for your present foresail and mainsails?
If so, problem solved.

gary

Im a sailmaker and we generally wouldnt make a bag for a main if we are fitting it.
Headsails almost always leave in a bag.
We only include a bag in a quote if its a race bag with zips etc or some other special bag.
a standard draw string bag is just thrown in for free.
they take 10 mins to make and about $5 in fabric.
probably should expect to have a detailed quote before paying a deposit though.

Yeah I fell for the "sailcloth going up 7.5 per cent tomorrow" line and thought gentleman's word with a country town guy was good enough for a deposit. Sad. As he is 550km away no he is not fitting the main. Trust gone. Apparently for 5 bucks on an $11,000 deal. What else will he cut corners on?

Hi Jules, It sounds like a simple misunderstanding to me. If you discussed furler and boom bag perhaps he assumed you didn't want the bags, or the way his quotes are done it puts in the exclusion if he didn't explicitly select that item. Give him a call tell him you were expecting the bags and are disappointed they are not included, see how it plays out. It sounds like you were happy with what was being offered so don't let a small detail mess it up for you.

Talking about sails, has anyone had dealings with Peter Green, sailmaker in Frankston Vic?

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Mike367 said..
Talking about sails, has anyone had dealings with Peter Green, sailmaker in Frankston Vic?

Mike I had one repair job done years ago when I had a dinghy. A lot of the people on TrailerSailerPlace forum have used him and are happy. Use the 'search' or the 'recommended tradesmen' pages on that forum for much more info.

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FabulousPhill said..

Mike367 said..
Talking about sails, has anyone had dealings with Peter Green, sailmaker in Frankston Vic?

Mike I had one repair job done years ago when I had a dinghy. A lot of the people on TrailerSailerPlace forum have used him and are happy. Use the 'search' or the 'recommended tradesmen' pages on that forum for much more info.

Thanks Phil,

I ordered a sail a few months ago and when I asked about it ( Ithought he may not have been working due to lockdown). He said he was still working and would be in touch. That last email was the 22 of August, I don't want to hassle him if he's busy, or worse is ill. But on the other hand my order may have slipped through the cracks.

I think I'll go to his loft and have a chat.

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Mike367 said..
I think I'll go to his loft and have a chat.

I had one sailmaker repair something and he took 6 months until a friend intervened and told him that I really need the sail back.
On the Gippsland lakes I had conversations and promises for a mooring inspection from last November and from May - still no action.
I don't know how they do it. OTOH I use a sailmaker in Sandringham area and they were very good, doing an excellent job to the quote and the measurements supplied.

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julesmoto said..
So is it normal to discuss sail dimensions, cloth, hardware etc etc at length during a number of conversations and then be quoted a price and asked for a deposit and then after the deposit is received to be send a full specification stating that sailbags are not included "because they will be stored on boom and about furler" (lazy jack boom bag was also ordered)? Seems the height of cheek to me and not a good way to start out with a relationship where they can screw you over in so many ways making trust essential.

Hi Jules,
that process sounds similar to mine, I bought sails from an overseas firm and they required a deposit
to then send out detailed drawings, I think that is fair.
my quote stated sail bags etc, but when you order downwind sails then you get other bag options such as a turtle bag etc.
cheers Richard

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Mike367 said..
Talking about sails, has anyone had dealings with Peter Green, sailmaker in Frankston Vic?

I had some stuff done by him a couple of years ago and it wasn't a great experience.

Cheers, Graeme

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DrogueOne said..
Hi Jules, It sounds like a simple misunderstanding to me. If you discussed furler and boom bag perhaps he assumed you didn't want the bags, or the way his quotes are done it puts in the exclusion if he didn't explicitly select that item. Give him a call tell him you were expecting the bags and are disappointed they are not included, see how it plays out. It sounds like you were happy with what was being offered so don't let a small detail mess it up for you.

Yes I mentioned it. I didn't push it as I didn't want to mess up the relationship and he wanted $50 each for the sail bags.

Really silly if you ask me because it's another opportunity to whack your logo on something at very little cost. I guess they don't care at the moment as they have plenty of work. Probably not him anyway probably the wife.

sailmaker here
We include the sail bags on the quote and try and supply good quality, after all that is the first thing the customer sees!
But if quibbling on price, "I have a quote from XYZ online sweatshop sailmakers", then if asked to drop price the sail bag is the first thing i delete. Sail bag cost can vary from $30 to $400 depending on boat and style.