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MAGNESIUM
MAGNESIUM

222 posts

22 Feb 2024 5:41pm
If you are sailing in international waters , outside any countries jurisdiction , minding your own business, not trying to enter into any country , are you required by any laws , to be restricted or governed by any bureaucracy ??
trixpan
trixpan

33 posts

22 Feb 2024 6:28pm
Boats carry flags for a reason...
julesmoto
julesmoto

NSW

1569 posts

23 Feb 2024 7:53am
Trouble is you are a citizen of somewhere as is your boat but more importantly you have to leave from somewhere and you have to come back in somewhere so if you set off and murder your wife mid ocean or exchange a ton of drugs mid ocean one or more of the port you left from, the port you eventually come back into or the country of your/your boats nationality are likely to have something to say about it.

Governments are incredibly inventive, dishonest and corrupt so if they want to get you even if they don't have actual jurisdiction. You only have to look at Julian Assange to see this. Might is right.
The pirate radio stations off the UK in the 60s and 70s are an interesting read as well.
MAGNESIUM
MAGNESIUM

222 posts

23 Feb 2024 7:59am
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julesmoto said..
Trouble is you are a citizen of somewhere as is your boat but more importantly you have to leave from somewhere and you have to come back in somewhere so if you set off and murder your wife mid ocean or exchange a ton of drugs mid ocean one or more of the port you left from, the port you eventually come back into or the country of your/your boats nationality are likely to have something to say about it.

Governments are incredibly inventive, dishonest and corrupt so if they want to get you even if they don't have actual jurisdiction. You only have to look at Julian Assange to see this. Might is right.
The pirate radio stations off the UK in the 60s and 70s are an interesting read as well.


Kris Larsen sails the world no papers no reg no compass .
www.latitude38.com/lectronic/kris-larsen-and-the-kehaar-darwin/
garymalmgren
garymalmgren

1365 posts

23 Feb 2024 8:57am
Hi MAGNESIUM.
Your first post was .
If you are sailing in international waters , outside any countries jurisdiction , minding your own business, not trying to enter into any country , are you required by any laws , to be restricted or governed by any bureaucracy ??

Then posted Larsen's story.
RE:"criss-crossed the Indian Ocean and the Western Pacific for seven years, from Australia to Madagascar and Japan, covering a total of 45,000 miles."

He obviously entered foreign ports.

If you can believe that the Japanese Coast Guard, Marine police, Port Authorities, Customs would let a vessel or person enter or transit their territory with " no papers or reg", think again.

Every document that you can imagine (or have never imagined) is absolutely necessary.
Madagascar would be the same if not worse.

Bottom line is you need documents.

Gary
Trek
Trek

NSW

1194 posts

23 Feb 2024 1:02pm
Except on the north coast of Australia
MAGNESIUM
MAGNESIUM

222 posts

23 Feb 2024 11:54am
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garymalmgren said..
Hi MAGNESIUM.
Your first post was .
If you are sailing in international waters , outside any countries jurisdiction , minding your own business, not trying to enter into any country , are you required by any laws , to be restricted or governed by any bureaucracy ??

Then posted Larsen's story.
RE:"criss-crossed the Indian Ocean and the Western Pacific for seven years, from Australia to Madagascar and Japan, covering a total of 45,000 miles."

He obviously entered foreign ports.

If you can believe that the Japanese Coast Guard, Marine police, Port Authorities, Customs would let a vessel or person enter or transit their territory with " no papers or reg", think again.

Every document that you can imagine (or have never imagined) is absolutely necessary.
Madagascar would be the same if not worse.

Bottom line is you need documents.

Gary


Hi Gary if you can ever find his book he cut a tree down in Tasmania for a mast no engine he just left , my interest is international waters and the law Kris has been in trouble they where going to take his boat off him , he did go into Japan , I am not here to argue with you it's Kris's story .
JonE
JonE

VIC

566 posts

23 Feb 2024 7:10pm
Below 40 degrees south, there is no law; below 50 degrees, there is no God.
EastCoastSail
EastCoastSail

343 posts

23 Feb 2024 5:26pm
Interesting question, if intending to leave overseas you must have a Australian registered ship and depart from a clearance port.

But if you intend to sail to an overseas Australian territory, let's say Lord Howe Is it's my understanding you don't have to clear Australia. Once you get out of Australia's exclusive economic zone (EEZ) 200Nm of then the right of hot pursuit ceases as long as you didn't do anything wrong and aren't being chased. There is a gap between Lord Howe Is and mainland Australia EEZ so then you are intentional waters. Extraterritorial jurisdiction gives government the authority to extend its laws beyond its borders. Some Australian criminal laws apply to Australians even when you're overseas. so if none of that fits your relatively free. But reading yachting websites some countries Navies will board you on suspicion eg USA.

so you are kind of free
Ramona
Ramona

NSW

7737 posts

24 Feb 2024 8:48am
There is no gap between Australia and Lord Howe but there is between Norfolk Island and Lord Howe. If you had an Australian Commonwealth fishing licensed vessel then Canberra would be monitoring your position 24 hours a day every day!
MAGNESIUM
MAGNESIUM

222 posts

24 Feb 2024 5:58am
What Law Applies In International Waters?
MAGNESIUM
MAGNESIUM

222 posts

24 Feb 2024 5:59am
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Trek said..
Except on the north coast of Australia


Exactly no registration needed in the NT
the last bastion of freedom
EastCoastSail
EastCoastSail

343 posts

24 Feb 2024 6:14am
Ramona, your correct, no gap between Lord Howe and the mainland.

The opening statement was 'out of jurisdiction' effectively that means out of the EEZ as that is the area of more surveillance for most countries. If you depart from NT it's a long way until you reach international waters, Indonesia claims a large EEZ and Territorial Sea.

I'm not any kind of expert in this, I just think it's interesting and somewhat understandable desire to escape modern society.


tarquin1
tarquin1

954 posts

24 Feb 2024 2:49pm
When you are out there nobody will know so it doesn't matter. Just don't ever come back. That's when people ask questions.
Look into admiralty/maritime law. Also as someone said the flag of the boat.
If you can leave somewhere with an unregistered boat with no flag you might be OK. Again coming back will be the problem.
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