Hi guys. Its been a while since I wrote something here although I read through the posts once or twice a week.
I thought this video might be interesting to some of you, hope its ok to post here.

Three years ago, before leaving Brisbane I applied new antifoul(International Ultra 2) and was very happy with how it lasted so applied the same again this year. A very different outcome this time!

Only a coupe of months in the water after a fresh coat of bottom paint and the hull is covered in growth. To make matters worse, I applied HARD antifoul paint and its very soft and has in places already disappeared.
Do you think this is acceptable?

So ring up their technical department and see what they have to say about it. I'm sure they will try and blame it back on you and say there was not enough dry time dot.dot but it's worth a try

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julesmoto said..
So ring up their technical department and see what they have to say about it. I'm sure they will try and blame it back on you and say there was not enough dry time dot.dot but it's worth a try

Yeah pretty much that. I'm in touch with their sales manager in Singapore and they have admitted that the paint isn't working as it should but haven't gone further than offering me a free tin of the same paint.

I just applied the same product but in black only 2 months ago and it's working exactly as it should. 2 to 3 coats. Well stirred prior to pouring into roller tray, pre sanded hull with 80grit, allowed to dry before application. A day to dry off before splashdown.
Yours looks very thin if that's 2 coats.

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saltiest1 said..
I just applied the same product but in black only 2 months ago and it's working exactly as it should. 2 to 3 coats. Well stirred prior to pouring into roller tray, pre sanded hull with 80grit, allowed to dry before application. A day to dry off before splashdown.
Yours looks very thin if that's 2 coats.

Yep, just as mine was when I last did it in Oz and you're right, it is very think... NOW. I applied exactly the same amount as last time and used the same work steps. Thats why I'm so mad about it as I can make a direct comparison. I'm willing to bet my boat that my paint and yours wasn't made in the same factory or to the same standards. What I do know is that it costs roughly $310 per 4l tin in Oz and 4x that here in Indo and the results are at least 4 times as bad.

Do you think you might've been scammed?

Well done on another high-quality video. I have used many different brands of antifoul over the years. When I was a professional fisherman I generally used what brand the coop had. Always ablative. On my yachts I have used several of the major brands mostly ablative, the exception was a semi-hard Hempel made in Singapore. The Hempel worked exactly the same as your International and I presume it was made in Singapore as well. After 3 months it was finished. I wrote about it on this forum at the time and another member stated he used the same paint and was very satisfied with it! I reckon the paints have different formulations for different markets. I visited the Jotun factory out West Sydney somewhere years ago and after chatting with one of the technicians/worker I was left with the impression that there is a high possibility of variations with batches. I had been buying Jotun from the Ulladulla coop and there was one batch that everyone only got 3 months out of.

From time to time you hear reports of all brands prematurely failing, it's a quality control issue. Unfortunately the paint is only a part of the cost of redoing the job

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woko said..
From time to time you hear reports of all brands prematurely failing, it's a quality control issue. Unfortunately the paint is only a part of the cost of redoing the job

You got that right, its a 1000nm to the closest haulout place for me.

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saltiest1 said..
Do you think you might've been scammed?

always possible in Indo but I did purchase the paint directly from the Indonesian importer.

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Ramona said..
Well done on another high-quality video. I have used many different brands of antifoul over the years. When I was a professional fisherman I generally used what brand the coop had. Always ablative. On my yachts I have used several of the major brands mostly ablative, the exception was a semi-hard Hempel made in Singapore. The Hempel worked exactly the same as your International and I presume it was made in Singapore as well. After 3 months it was finished. I wrote about it on this forum at the time and another member stated he used the same paint and was very satisfied with it! I reckon the paints have different formulations for different markets. I visited the Jotun factory out West Sydney somewhere years ago and after chatting with one of the technicians/worker I was left with the impression that there is a high possibility of variations with batches. I had been buying Jotun from the Ulladulla coop and there was one batch that everyone only got 3 months out of.

Thanks Ramona.Yeah I'm thinking the biggest likelihood is either a bad batch or a formulation change. International run the batch number and said they've had no other complaints from this batch.

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Ramona said..
Well done on another high-quality video. I have used many different brands of antifoul over the years. When I was a professional fisherman I generally used what brand the coop had. Always ablative. On my yachts I have used several of the major brands mostly ablative, the exception was a semi-hard Hempel made in Singapore. The Hempel worked exactly the same as your International and I presume it was made in Singapore as well. After 3 months it was finished. I wrote about it on this forum at the time and another member stated he used the same paint and was very satisfied with it! I reckon the paints have different formulations for different markets. I visited the Jotun factory out West Sydney somewhere years ago and after chatting with one of the technicians/worker I was left with the impression that there is a high possibility of variations with batches. I had been buying Jotun from the Ulladulla coop and there was one batch that everyone only got 3 months out of.

Thanks Ramona.Yeah I'm thinking the biggest likelihood is either a bad batch or a formulation change. International run the batch number and said they've had no other complaints from this batch.

Do you really think they admit it if they did have other complaints. Would put them in the firing line for the costs to rectify.

patchy in places perfectly clean in others looks to me like uneven application and overscrubing soft antifoul this could also have been caused by not allowing a long enough drying time

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boty said..
patchy in places perfectly clean in others looks to me like uneven application and overscrubing soft antifoul this could also have been caused by not allowing a long enough drying time

yeah mate, but its not ablative antifoul, its Ultra 2, a HARD antifoul. The problem is though that its soft and rubs right off as you can see in the video. I rolled on 2 full coats, with a day in between and 7 days before splashing. International has now said that they are happy with the application method used.

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UncleBob said..

Dexport said..

Ramona said..
Well done on another high-quality video. I have used many different brands of antifoul over the years. When I was a professional fisherman I generally used what brand the coop had. Always ablative. On my yachts I have used several of the major brands mostly ablative, the exception was a semi-hard Hempel made in Singapore. The Hempel worked exactly the same as your International and I presume it was made in Singapore as well. After 3 months it was finished. I wrote about it on this forum at the time and another member stated he used the same paint and was very satisfied with it! I reckon the paints have different formulations for different markets. I visited the Jotun factory out West Sydney somewhere years ago and after chatting with one of the technicians/worker I was left with the impression that there is a high possibility of variations with batches. I had been buying Jotun from the Ulladulla coop and there was one batch that everyone only got 3 months out of.

Thanks Ramona.Yeah I'm thinking the biggest likelihood is either a bad batch or a formulation change. International run the batch number and said they've had no other complaints from this batch.

Do you really think they admit it if they did have other complaints. Would put them in the firing line for the costs to rectify.

Yeah good point. They are in a hard position now because if they accept the paint is bad then many claims will start coming in. Head in the sand and deny everything seems to also be a bad way of dealing with it

I used Ultra last year, and was planning the regime this year! I sanded & scrapped back then applied primocon on the hull. On the keel I used interprotect. The Ulra was definitely happier over the Primocon, not sure why but it has worn more over the epoxy undercoat. our area in the Port Hacking is great for Barnacles unfortunately, so I had some growth early on but it seems to have have settled now. The Ultra is much harder than the previous Micron Extra. Guess I'll have to see how this years batch goes. Sorry to hear of your bad luck Vernon.
cheers Richard

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Stockie said..
I used Ultra last year, and was planning the regime this year! I sanded & scrapped back then applied primocon on the hull. On the keel I used interprotect. The Ulra was definitely happier over the Primocon, not sure why but it has worn more over the epoxy undercoat. our area in the Port Hacking is great for Barnacles unfortunately, so I had some growth early on but it seems to have have settled now. The Ultra is much harder than the previous Micron Extra. Guess I'll have to see how this years batch goes. Sorry to hear of your bad luck Vernon.
cheers Richard

when you put down a barrier coat it stops issues with bonding and leaching into porous coat underneath when sanding the anti foul should have a bronze tint to it if not tie coat should be applied most failures in antifoul are in poor surface prep and poor application whether applied professionally or by owners
there can be other factors in play antifouls do not stop red brizone (not sure of spelling ) which often has blooms in southern morteon bay then shell will attach to that in 25 years running a slipway i have never seen a failure in antifoul due to bad product

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boty said..

Stockie said..
I used Ultra last year, and was planning the regime this year! I sanded & scrapped back then applied primocon on the hull. On the keel I used interprotect. The Ulra was definitely happier over the Primocon, not sure why but it has worn more over the epoxy undercoat. our area in the Port Hacking is great for Barnacles unfortunately, so I had some growth early on but it seems to have have settled now. The Ultra is much harder than the previous Micron Extra. Guess I'll have to see how this years batch goes. Sorry to hear of your bad luck Vernon.
cheers Richard

when you put down a barrier coat it stops issues with bonding and leaching into porous coat underneath when sanding the anti foul should have a bronze tint to it if not tie coat should be applied most failures in antifoul are in poor surface prep and poor application whether applied professionally or by owners
there can be other factors in play antifouls do not stop red brizone (not sure of spelling ) which often has blooms in southern morteon bay then shell will attach to that in 25 years running a slipway i have never seen a failure in antifoul due to bad product

Hi Boty. You should have a read of some of the comments I've ben getting on YouTube and other places since releasing this video. If youve not seen bad product in 25 years then I find that pretty amazing and sightly unbelievable to be honest. Obviously the paint companies will always say its the application or prep, no doubt about that.

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Dexport said..

boty said..

Stockie said..
I used Ultra last year, and was planning the regime this year! I sanded & scrapped back then applied primocon on the hull. On the keel I used interprotect. The Ulra was definitely happier over the Primocon, not sure why but it has worn more over the epoxy undercoat. our area in the Port Hacking is great for Barnacles unfortunately, so I had some growth early on but it seems to have have settled now. The Ultra is much harder than the previous Micron Extra. Guess I'll have to see how this years batch goes. Sorry to hear of your bad luck Vernon.
cheers Richard

when you put down a barrier coat it stops issues with bonding and leaching into porous coat underneath when sanding the anti foul should have a bronze tint to it if not tie coat should be applied most failures in antifoul are in poor surface prep and poor application whether applied professionally or by owners
there can be other factors in play antifouls do not stop red brizone (not sure of spelling ) which often has blooms in southern morteon bay then shell will attach to that in 25 years running a slipway i have never seen a failure in antifoul due to bad product

Hi Boty. You should have a read of some of the comments I've ben getting on YouTube and other places since releasing this video. If youve not seen bad product in 25 years then I find that pretty amazing and sightly unbelievable to be honest. Obviously the paint companies will always say its the application or prep, no doubt about that.

have heard in asia they have serious problem of paint tins being refilled with inferior product and have been told by the reps that is why you often damage the seal on tins when opening them to stop people being able to refill them though the square patchiness looks like under application in areas by roller

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boty said..

Dexport said..

boty said..

Stockie said..
I used Ultra last year, and was planning the regime this year! I sanded & scrapped back then applied primocon on the hull. On the keel I used interprotect. The Ulra was definitely happier over the Primocon, not sure why but it has worn more over the epoxy undercoat. our area in the Port Hacking is great for Barnacles unfortunately, so I had some growth early on but it seems to have have settled now. The Ultra is much harder than the previous Micron Extra. Guess I'll have to see how this years batch goes. Sorry to hear of your bad luck Vernon.
cheers Richard

when you put down a barrier coat it stops issues with bonding and leaching into porous coat underneath when sanding the anti foul should have a bronze tint to it if not tie coat should be applied most failures in antifoul are in poor surface prep and poor application whether applied professionally or by owners
there can be other factors in play antifouls do not stop red brizone (not sure of spelling ) which often has blooms in southern morteon bay then shell will attach to that in 25 years running a slipway i have never seen a failure in antifoul due to bad product

Hi Boty. You should have a read of some of the comments I've ben getting on YouTube and other places since releasing this video. If youve not seen bad product in 25 years then I find that pretty amazing and sightly unbelievable to be honest. Obviously the paint companies will always say its the application or prep, no doubt about that.

have heard in asia they have serious problem of paint tins being refilled with inferior product and have been told by the reps that is why you often damage the seal on tins when opening them to stop people being able to refill them though the square patchiness looks like under application in areas by roller

Yeah have heard this too and I guess International would know more about that but would be unlikely to admit to anything like that. The lack of fouling prevention is not the main concern here, its the fact the paint is super soft and just rubs off when its supposed to be a HARD coating paint that doesn't rub off at all