Hi all

This old girl has been moored in the river for the last couple of weeks

Just wondering how well they sail with the twin furling sails instead of a conventional main

Regards Don

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Donk107 said..
Hi all

This old girl has been moored in the river for the last couple of weeks

Just wondering how well they sail with the twin furling sails instead of a conventional main

Regards Don

I imagine that they would be great on a reach, but probably not so good hard on the wind or running dead down wind.

Seems like a lot of trouble to avoid hitting you head on the boom...

Interesting, with both masts being the same height does that make it a staysail schooner or a staysail ketch?

I recall seeing a brochure on a boat with a rig similar to this on a forum once but I can't remember what brand of boat it was

it rat would be interesting to have a sail on her to see how she compared to a sloop rig of similar length

My wife would love the twin furling sails for the ease of going for a sail

regards Don

Hi all

As a matter of interest does anyone know what it is

Regards Don

I have seen that kind of rig on much larger vessels.

Certainly would be easier handling but I wouldn't have a clue as to performance. Could be an expensive experiment.

Typical tasmania!

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Sectorsteve said..
Typical tasmania!

Thanks

Regards Don

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Donk107 said..

Sectorsteve said..
Typical tasmania!

Thanks

Regards Don

sector steve I think we might just have a look to see which boat from england you great ,great ,great ,grand dad came out on . Also where was its first port of call

Always had a soft spot for the Freedom 33 Ketch

The staysail schooner sitting on the bottom next to my boat has a similar rig when shortened down. The twin staysail rig is probably similar to a twin junk rig, easy to handle. Sail to windward fine but better reaching and sailing goosewinged down wind.

Trying to think of the name of the 4 staysail 130 foot aluminium singlehanded yacht sailed by the Frenchman Alan something or other which was just a bigger version of the same thing.

I think the Feedom cat rig system would out perform double headsails by a fair margin. The mast and boom give you a lot more control of sail shape.

If I had the coin I would get a freedom cat rigged yacht, I think the simplicity of the rig is awesome once you get your head around the engineering of the stayless rig. The guys on Teleport sailing around Alaska have a stayless junk rig and it has been through some serious conditions with no serious issues rig wise.

Great thread Don

Me Don
I toyed with the idea of bring one back to hard and lots of hidden expenses

Hi all

I stopped on the way home from work and took a better photo of her with a camera (the other was with a ipad) that shows a bit more detail

Regards Don

Wonder what is is Donk

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Fiesta said..
I think the Feedom cat rig system would out perform double headsails by a fair margin. The mast and boom give you a lot more control of sail shape.

If I had the coin I would get a freedom cat rigged yacht, I think the simplicity of the rig is awesome once you get your head around the engineering of the stayless rig. The guys on Teleport sailing around Alaska have a stayless junk rig and it has been through some serious conditions with no serious issues rig wise.

Great thread Don

I would prefer the twin staysail rig. The freedom style boat has it's advantages but If I was going to go stay less masts I would go straight to a twin junk rig. Lots of interior space is lost and in a smaller boat like the one in the Don's photo it is important. With shrouds the staysail vessel can carry a bigger range of extras, twin spinnakers etc. Reefing with the furlers is also easier.

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HG02 said..
Wonder what is is Donk

Hi HG

I have no idea

I put it on another forum and a guy said he saw it on gumtree a little while ago and said he googled the designer and builder but didn't get much info off the net and another person suggested it might be by this designer sailboatdata.com/sailboat/carter-35-luna-rig

I will have to keep a eye out for her on the water as I would be interested to see how she goes under sail

I would imagine it might be a bit busy to tack as you would need to release and sheet in both sails where as a conventional main looks after itself a lot of the time

Regards Don

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Donk107 said..
Hi all

I stopped on the way home from work and took a better photo of her with a camera (the other was with a ipad) that shows a bit more detail

Regards Don

With the flared bow, sheer, transom rudder and rake of the masts she has a definite Herreshoff look about her.

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HG02 said..
Wonder what is is Donk

Hi HG

I have no idea

I put it on another forum and a guy said he saw it on gumtree a little while ago and said he googled the designer and builder but didn't get much info off the net and another person suggested it might be by this designer sailboatdata.com/sailboat/carter-35-luna-rig

I will have to keep a eye out for her on the water as I would be interested to see how she goes under sail

I would imagine it might be a bit busy to tack as you would need to release and sheet in both sails where as a conventional main looks after itself a lot of the time

Regards Don

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Fiesta said..
I think the Feedom cat rig system would out perform double headsails by a fair margin. The mast and boom give you a lot more control of sail shape.

If I had the coin I would get a freedom cat rigged yacht, I think the simplicity of the rig is awesome once you get your head around the engineering of the stayless rig. The guys on Teleport sailing around Alaska have a stayless junk rig and it has been through some serious conditions with no serious issues rig wise.

Great thread Don

I would prefer the twin staysail rig. The freedom style boat has it's advantages but If I was going to go stay less masts I would go straight to a twin junk rig. Lots of interior space is lost and in a smaller boat like the one in the Don's photo it is important. With shrouds the staysail vessel can carry a bigger range of extras, twin spinnakers etc. Reefing with the furlers is also easier.

I should have qualified my preference as a single masted cat rig rather than the twin set up.

One mast is plenty to keep me busy! My only concern is how easy they would be to gybe the big mainsail in a solid breeze? At the moment its an academic argument for me as the bank account is a limiting factor.

The junk rigs are interesting, I have had my views changed on these watching the Teleport expedition.