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Gold Coast Seaway navigation with a yacht

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Created by David967 > 9 months ago, 7 Oct 2018
lydia
1867 posts
15 Jul 2019 12:03PM
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Arabella said..
Hi knowledgable seafolk,
Tried to poke up through from the sea way to Jacobs Well yesterday and had some trouble getting through around the Jacobs Well Shoals - where the channel markers change from starboard to port.

We draw 2.1m. Would accessing Moreton Bay be possible throught the southern passages, or only right back out around all the islands?
Thanks!


There are any number of ways to go.
The last boat drew 2.42 so we needed a bit of tide.
Main channel is fine at 2.1m with tide.
The big charter and ferry boats use the back of Stingray Island and come out at jumpimpin ad they do that speed.
At 2.1 you could use slipping Sands with high tide as well.

Bananabender
QLD, 1604 posts
15 Jul 2019 2:33PM
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Thought so, Channel narrows there even though dredged two years ago
but would have thought deep enough provided you bear right after passing last starboard marker per above. Usually boats get stuck around Tulleen Island at low tide where the channel narrows.

Oh, On map NGC1 above don't wander left after passing last port marker above 27 .46'S and you should have no issues.
Edit.
The route Lydia above outlines is a good alternative.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2587 posts
15 Jul 2019 5:07PM
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Full moon on Wednesday, so spring tides. The low low tide is currently the afternoon one, today was really low for us at 0.1 above LAT. Must be nice on the water at night at the moment arabella, you travelling or day trip?

Bristolfashion
VIC, 490 posts
15 Jul 2019 6:30PM
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Having passed within metres of a rock that didn't appear on Navionics, Embark, the official chart or in any of the 3 pilot guides on our S.W. Tassie trip, I'd say use every available information source and keep yer eyes open!

Having used Navionics alongside the other sources extensively, I'd say it really is tremendously accurate. Pilot guides are generally great for indicating particular hazards.

Cheers

Bristol

Arabella
5 posts
16 Jul 2019 2:43PM
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Thanks all the great info!

Maybe we didnt bear right quick enough, was just trying to stay central.

The boats sitting at Southport at the moment, hope to get it up to Redliffe next weekend.

Lydia, is this the route you speak of?



lydia
1867 posts
16 Jul 2019 2:52PM
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That is slipping sands.
The other way is take the entrance north of Crusoe Island and follow it round to the main channel and pop out near cabbage tree point

Day time tides are not great next week but no reason you can't do it at night save for slipping sands as for a first timer there are many marks backing each other so would be very confusing

Arabella
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16 Jul 2019 5:08PM
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Cheers. Maybe a night cruise is the better option.

All the options seem to have at least 1 pinch point where the recorded depths get nervously shallow.

The route north of Crusoe Island looks great and then gets to the point marked with the ? below.






Jode5
QLD, 853 posts
16 Jul 2019 7:41PM
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Arabella, I know all those channels pretty well after spending the last 40 year round them. The way you were going is by far the best way to go. Where you touched bottom is the shallowest point in the whole trip. If you basically stay on the dotted line on the Navionics chart you will be ok. We draw 2.2 and generally get through on anything above half tide.

Arabella
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16 Jul 2019 6:50PM
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Thanks Jode. We'll have another crack, I reckon.

lydia
1867 posts
17 Jul 2019 6:07AM
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Only two sorts of sailers in Moreton Bay.
Those who have run aground and those that lie that's they have not!!!!!
So don't stress it all mud anyway and the tide always rises.
I regularly push 2.65 draft around and stop about once a year and I am usually adventurous.

lydia
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17 Jul 2019 6:08AM
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Arabella said..
Cheers. Maybe a night cruise is the better option.

All the options seem to have at least 1 pinch point where the recorded depths get nervously shallow.

The route north of Crusoe Island looks great and then gets to the point marked with the ? below.







Yep, that is the one.
Sharp. Right takes up back to the main channel
But as Jodie say the main channel is easiest first time.

shane450
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23 Jul 2019 5:21AM
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Jode5 said..
Arabella, I know all those channels pretty well after spending the last 40 year round them. The way you were going is by far the best way to go. Where you touched bottom is the shallowest point in the whole trip. If you basically stay on the dotted line on the Navionics chart you will be ok. We draw 2.2 and generally get through on anything above half tide.


Yeah that spot is a bugger , we only go through half tide or better and we only draw 1.3 , I ve seen dozens of Yachts caught out there

spiggie
VIC, 78 posts
23 Jul 2019 12:52PM
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Hi well after leaving Melb in 30 -40 knots plus 8 days ago and 2 overnight stops its time to negotiate the transit Southport to RQ how long does the transit take motoring at 6 kts is there a bottle shop on the way.

EC31
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23 Jul 2019 1:11PM
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spiggie said..
Hi well after leaving Melb in 30 -40 knots plus 8 days ago and 2 overnight stops its time to negotiate the transit Southport to RQ how long does the transit take motoring at 6 kts is there a bottle shop on the way.


I have seen a floating bottle shop at Jacob Wells, but hasn't been open when I have gone past. Well, didn't look like it was open....

If you leave before 9 in the morning, all going well, arrival will be mid to late afternoon at Manly. A favourable tide helps.

spiggie
VIC, 78 posts
23 Jul 2019 1:21PM
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ETA spit about 1700 going straight through , need to get back to the cold Tues peak hour

shane450
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23 Jul 2019 12:57PM
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spiggie said..
Hi well after leaving Melb in 30 -40 knots plus 8 days ago and 2 overnight stops its time to negotiate the transit Southport to RQ how long does the transit take motoring at 6 kts is there a bottle shop on the way.


Whats your air gap , I m sure your already aware of the powerlines !

spiggie
VIC, 78 posts
23 Jul 2019 3:05PM
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spiggie said..
Hi well after leaving Melb in 30 -40 knots plus 8 days ago and 2 overnight stops its time to negotiate the transit Southport to RQ how long does the transit take motoring at 6 kts is there a bottle shop on the way.



Whats your air gap , I m sure your already aware of the powerlines !


Where are power lines ,15 mtr air draft

lydia
1867 posts
23 Jul 2019 1:08PM
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15m no problem

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2587 posts
23 Jul 2019 3:18PM
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shane450 said..



spiggie said..
Hi well after leaving Melb in 30 -40 knots plus 8 days ago and 2 overnight stops its time to negotiate the transit Southport to RQ how long does the transit take motoring at 6 kts is there a bottle shop on the way.





Whats your air gap , I m sure your already aware of the powerlines !




Where are power lines ,15 mtr air draft



You'll know when you see 'em Spiggie , they're hard to miss!

Bananabender
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23 Jul 2019 3:24PM
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Hi well after leaving Melb in 30 -40 knots plus 8 days ago and 2 overnight stops its time to negotiate the transit Southport to RQ how long does the transit take motoring at 6 kts is there a bottle shop on the way.



The Jacobs Well Pub and IGA etc. is approx 150 metres behind the VMR building you will see beside the ramp and jetty. Many yachties pull there tinny up just to the right of the VMR jetty ( red marker below)on the sand to do shopping
Never seen the floating bar open .
OR there's Harrigans Pub at Calypso Bay with their own deep water jetty/ pontoon out the front .





shaggybaxter
QLD, 2587 posts
23 Jul 2019 4:45PM
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Spiggie,
I'm sure you guys are sorted , but give me a yell if you need any local support. You've lost one of the monos this week, but the picklefork fleet haven't changed I don't think.
We're doing to Keppel race, so we'll see you gents on the start line at least..
Cheers,
SB

spiggie
VIC, 78 posts
24 Jul 2019 8:22PM
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Thanks shaggy back in Gippsland ,Jacobs we'll transit was a bit hairy with yachts anchored anchor lights a bit not too compliant some on some off ,what is that area ferals parking spot !! also numpties in dinghies with no lights ,crossing the bow .Rang up Southport yacht club asked to park there for an hour buy some beer and quick feed they weren't accomodating .Arrived RQYS about midnight .
Wow has that place has changed why would you call it a yacht club !!! Mostly stink boats.
Any way delivery took us 6 days ,left queenscliffe in a blow nasty seas at the port Phillip rip ,made lakes in 23 hrs ,stayed overnight 30 hrs later dropped crew in Port Stephan's then 2 up on the bloody nose till Tweed 2 days later tied up at to RQ .next week do the race early days but forecast is just over 2 days Pogo weather ,after race 8 day delivery home putting on the thermals as we head south then mostly 30 knt westerlys crossing the paddock.
yachting is great

Shanty
QLD, 487 posts
24 Jul 2019 8:42PM
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spiggie said..
Thanks shaggy back in Gippsland ,Jacobs we'll transit was a bit hairy with yachts anchored anchor lights a bit not too compliant some on some off ,what is that area ferals parking spot !! also numpties in dinghies with no lights ,crossing the bow .Rang up Southport yacht club asked to park there for an hour buy some beer and quick feed they weren't accomodating .Arrived RQYS about midnight .
Wow has that place has changed why would you call it a yacht club !!! Mostly stink boats.
Any way delivery took us 6 days ,left queenscliffe in a blow nasty seas at the port Phillip rip ,made lakes in 23 hrs ,stayed overnight 30 hrs later dropped crew in Port Stephan's then 2 up on the bloody nose till Tweed 2 days later tied up at to RQ .next week do the race early days but forecast is just over 2 days Pogo weather ,after race 8 day delivery home putting on the thermals as we head south then mostly 30 knt westerlys crossing the paddock.
yachting is great


Relic central down that way. Government has contracted someone to salvage some of them.

Bananabender
QLD, 1604 posts
24 Jul 2019 9:22PM
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Shanty said..

spiggie said..
Thanks shaggy back in Gippsland ,Jacobs we'll transit was a bit hairy with yachts anchored anchor lights a bit not too compliant some on some off ,what is that area ferals parking spot !! also numpties in dinghies with no lights ,crossing the bow .Rang up Southport yacht club asked to park there for an hour buy some beer and quick feed they weren't accomodating .Arrived RQYS about midnight .
Wow has that place has changed why would you call it a yacht club !!! Mostly stink boats.
Any way delivery took us 6 days ,left queenscliffe in a blow nasty seas at the port Phillip rip ,made lakes in 23 hrs ,stayed overnight 30 hrs later dropped crew in Port Stephan's then 2 up on the bloody nose till Tweed 2 days later tied up at to RQ .next week do the race early days but forecast is just over 2 days Pogo weather ,after race 8 day delivery home putting on the thermals as we head south then mostly 30 knt westerlys crossing the paddock.
yachting is great



Relic central down that way. Government has contracted someone to salvage some of them.


Oh ,I don't know . That's me at Jacobs Well two years ago and the housing started at at $1.5 /3 mil. You sure they weren't NSW/Vic, on holidays.
Seriously though it's pretty bad sometimes but times are a changing.
Jacobs Well fishing village itself was bikie heaven and very cheap living with easy access to the pub , shopping for live aboards and tinny heaven for jumping off jumpinpin






Shanty
QLD, 487 posts
24 Jul 2019 9:35PM
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Bananabender said..

Shanty said..


spiggie said..
Thanks shaggy back in Gippsland ,Jacobs we'll transit was a bit hairy with yachts anchored anchor lights a bit not too compliant some on some off ,what is that area ferals parking spot !! also numpties in dinghies with no lights ,crossing the bow .Rang up Southport yacht club asked to park there for an hour buy some beer and quick feed they weren't accomodating .Arrived RQYS about midnight .
Wow has that place has changed why would you call it a yacht club !!! Mostly stink boats.
Any way delivery took us 6 days ,left queenscliffe in a blow nasty seas at the port Phillip rip ,made lakes in 23 hrs ,stayed overnight 30 hrs later dropped crew in Port Stephan's then 2 up on the bloody nose till Tweed 2 days later tied up at to RQ .next week do the race early days but forecast is just over 2 days Pogo weather ,after race 8 day delivery home putting on the thermals as we head south then mostly 30 knt westerlys crossing the paddock.
yachting is great




Relic central down that way. Government has contracted someone to salvage some of them.



Oh ,I don't know . That's me at Jacobs Well two years ago and the housing started at at $1.5 /3 mil. You sure they weren't NSW/Vic, on holidays.
Seriously though it's pretty bad sometimes but times are a changing.
Jacobs Well fishing village itself was bikie heaven and very cheap living with easy access to the pub , shopping for live aboards and tinny heaven for jumping off jumpinpin







If your travelling down that way on the boat at night. I would keep a good lookout for old sh!tters with no lights. There was quite a few there in November 2018 when I was there last. In particular an old steel black yacht that was very hard to see. Didn't help it was a new moon.
Regards,
Mick

Bananabender
QLD, 1604 posts
24 Jul 2019 9:56PM
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Shanty said..

Bananabender said..


Shanty said..



spiggie said..
Thanks shaggy back in Gippsland ,Jacobs we'll transit was a bit hairy with yachts anchored anchor lights a bit not too compliant some on some off ,what is that area ferals parking spot !! also numpties in dinghies with no lights ,crossing the bow .Rang up Southport yacht club asked to park there for an hour buy some beer and quick feed they weren't accomodating .Arrived RQYS about midnight .
Wow has that place has changed why would you call it a yacht club !!! Mostly stink boats.
Any way delivery took us 6 days ,left queenscliffe in a blow nasty seas at the port Phillip rip ,made lakes in 23 hrs ,stayed overnight 30 hrs later dropped crew in Port Stephan's then 2 up on the bloody nose till Tweed 2 days later tied up at to RQ .next week do the race early days but forecast is just over 2 days Pogo weather ,after race 8 day delivery home putting on the thermals as we head south then mostly 30 knt westerlys crossing the paddock.
yachting is great





Relic central down that way. Government has contracted someone to salvage some of them.




Oh ,I don't know . That's me at Jacobs Well two years ago and the housing started at at $1.5 /3 mil. You sure they weren't NSW/Vic, on holidays.
Seriously though it's pretty bad sometimes but times are a changing.
Jacobs Well fishing village itself was bikie heaven and very cheap living with easy access to the pub , shopping for live aboards and tinny heaven for jumping off jumpinpin







If your travelling down that way on the boat at night. I would keep a good lookout for old sh!tters with no lights. There was quite a few there in November 2018 when I was there last. In particular an old steel black yacht that was very hard to see. Didn't help it was a new moon.
Regards,
Mick

na don't do night anymore.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2587 posts
25 Jul 2019 6:46AM
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Bananabender said..

Shanty said..


spiggie said..
Thanks shaggy back in Gippsland ,Jacobs we'll transit was a bit hairy with yachts anchored anchor lights a bit not too compliant some on some off ,what is that area ferals parking spot !! also numpties in dinghies with no lights ,crossing the bow .Rang up Southport yacht club asked to park there for an hour buy some beer and quick feed they weren't accomodating .Arrived RQYS about midnight .
Wow has that place has changed why would you call it a yacht club !!! Mostly stink boats.
Any way delivery took us 6 days ,left queenscliffe in a blow nasty seas at the port Phillip rip ,made lakes in 23 hrs ,stayed overnight 30 hrs later dropped crew in Port Stephan's then 2 up on the bloody nose till Tweed 2 days later tied up at to RQ .next week do the race early days but forecast is just over 2 days Pogo weather ,after race 8 day delivery home putting on the thermals as we head south then mostly 30 knt westerlys crossing the paddock.
yachting is great




Relic central down that way. Government has contracted someone to salvage some of them.



Oh ,I don't know . That's me at Jacobs Well two years ago and the housing started at at $1.5 /3 mil. You sure they weren't NSW/Vic, on holidays.
Seriously though it's pretty bad sometimes but times are a changing.
Jacobs Well fishing village itself was bikie heaven and very cheap living with easy access to the pub , shopping for live aboards and tinny heaven for jumping off jumpinpin







BB,
Would you mind if I snuck down there one night and moved the Sonata to in front of the power boat? ?.
It's offending my sense of order.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2587 posts
25 Jul 2019 7:15AM
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Funny story,
The inside course for the Surf to City race runs through this stretch past Jacobs Well.
One year we had a very strong tide pulling us south coupled with a light Northerly breeze as we came into sight of the Jacobs Well boat ramp.
You have to stay inside the navigation marks of course, so you had a good 20 plus trailer sailers and catermarans forced into short tacking across the channel to try and make your way past the boat ramp.

An enterprising chap apppeared on the end of the boat ramp, collapsible chair under one arm , a small esky under the other. Under the white terry towelling hat was the obligatory zinc plastered over his nose and a huge grin. A brain celll twigged, he looked just like ol' Norm from the Slip slop slap ads, as he set up his chair, plonked himself down, grabbed a beer from the little esky and settled himself in like he was ready to watch some performance.

We're almost at the boat ramp, sharing tacks back and forth across the channel , the bow is pointing at the boat ramp but the tide is ripping and we're being pulled south. Flop back onto the other tack, there is another 10 boats all on starboard , we duck a couple and end up two boat lengths further south.
Grrr...

45 mins and a squillion tacks back and forth , we're still pointing at Norm. He's had enough time by now to get drunk and even managed to go for more supplies, so every time the bow almost grounds on the ramp we get this enormous cheer from our spectator and hand waving , his beer going everywhere.
I finally cheated and went outside the marks, as everyone else had done after about 5 mins of fruitless tacking, and we managed to clear the ramp and get in a better tack, finally moving forward.

Ol Norm gathers up his chair and esky, looks around and contentedly wanders away waving as he did so.

We'd well and truly lost the race by now but everyone on board was in such a good mood thanks to the sheer joy on display from ol' Norm.
Gotta love this sport.

Bananabender
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25 Jul 2019 7:24AM
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shaggybaxter said..

Bananabender said..


Shanty said..



spiggie said..
Thanks shaggy back in Gippsland ,Jacobs we'll transit was a bit hairy with yachts anchored anchor lights a bit not too compliant some on some off ,what is that area ferals parking spot !! also numpties in dinghies with no lights ,crossing the bow .Rang up Southport yacht club asked to park there for an hour buy some beer and quick feed they weren't accomodating .Arrived RQYS about midnight .
Wow has that place has changed why would you call it a yacht club !!! Mostly stink boats.
Any way delivery took us 6 days ,left queenscliffe in a blow nasty seas at the port Phillip rip ,made lakes in 23 hrs ,stayed overnight 30 hrs later dropped crew in Port Stephan's then 2 up on the bloody nose till Tweed 2 days later tied up at to RQ .next week do the race early days but forecast is just over 2 days Pogo weather ,after race 8 day delivery home putting on the thermals as we head south then mostly 30 knt westerlys crossing the paddock.
yachting is great





Relic central down that way. Government has contracted someone to salvage some of them.




Oh ,I don't know . That's me at Jacobs Well two years ago and the housing started at at $1.5 /3 mil. You sure they weren't NSW/Vic, on holidays.
Seriously though it's pretty bad sometimes but times are a changing.
Jacobs Well fishing village itself was bikie heaven and very cheap living with easy access to the pub , shopping for live aboards and tinny heaven for jumping off jumpinpin







BB,
Would you mind if I snuck down there one night and moved the Sonata to in front of the power boat? ?.
It's offending my sense of order.


Ha, I suggested that initially . I won't say what I was told but it wasn't nice.

Bananabender
QLD, 1604 posts
25 Jul 2019 7:41AM
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shaggybaxter said..
Funny story,
The inside course for the Surf to City race runs through this stretch past Jacobs Well.
One year we had a very strong tide pulling us south coupled with a light Northerly breeze as we came into sight of the Jacobs Well boat ramp.
You have to stay inside the navigation marks of course, so you had a good 20 plus trailer sailers and catermarans forced into short tacking across the channel to try and make your way past the boat ramp.

An enterprising chap apppeared on the end of the boat ramp, collapsible chair under one arm , a small esky under the other. Under the white terry towelling hat was the obligatory zinc plastered over his nose and a huge grin. A brain celll twigged, he looked just like ol' Norm from the Slip slop slap ads, as he set up his chair, plonked himself down, grabbed a beer from the little esky and settled himself in like he was ready to watch some performance.

We're almost at the boat ramp, sharing tacks back and forth across the channel , the bow is pointing at the boat ramp but the tide is ripping and we're being pulled south. Flop back onto the other tack, there is another 10 boats all on starboard , we duck a couple and end up two boat lengths further south.
Grrr...

45 mins and a squillion tacks back and forth , we're still pointing at Norm. He's had enough time by now to get drunk and even managed to go for more supplies, so every time the bow almost grounds on the ramp we get this enormous cheer from our spectator and hand waving , his beer going everywhere.
I finally cheated and went outside the marks, as everyone else had done after about 5 mins of fruitless tacking, and we managed to clear the ramp and get in a better tack, finally moving forward.

Ol Norm gathers up his chair and esky, looks around and contentedly wanders away waving as he did so.

We'd well and truly lost the race by now but everyone on board was in such a good mood thanks to the sheer joy on display from ol' Norm.
Gotta love this sport.


That sounds about right for there. Very friendly people
That bloody tide really gets going some days .



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