Please explain?

I think Tasmania requires you to have something like that, elsewhere? Not in NSW.

I think Tasmania requires you to have something like that, elsewhere? Not in NSW.

I like it.
Compared to a Dan buoy , a rescue sling stays tethered to the boat.
You toss the dan buoy to mark the location, then the rescue sling is deployed overboard for retrieval. As you come around they have something to get into and also good for hauling them out of the water.
Nice piece of kit Southace.

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shaggybaxter said..
I like it.
Compared to a Dan buoy , a rescue sling stays tethered to the boat.
You toss the dan buoy to mark the location, then the rescue sling is deployed overboard for retrieval. As you come around they have something to get into and also good for hauling them out of the water.
Nice piece of kit Southace.

Can also use to lift so keeps it.

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lydia said..

shaggybaxter said..
I like it.
Compared to a Dan buoy , a rescue sling stays tethered to the boat.
You toss the dan buoy to mark the location, then the rescue sling is deployed overboard for retrieval. As you come around they have something to get into and also good for hauling them out of the water.
Nice piece of kit Southace.

Can also use to lift so keeps it.

+1 very handy to have

not necessary if you are solo

otherwise, why not ? quite effective for mob recovery

cheers,

I wouldn't go offshore without one.

Im not really a fan of the blue bedding, so yes, by all means bin it

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Craig66 said..
Im not really a fan of the blue bedding, so yes, by all means bin it

Or V-berths bin them aswell.

Well well it looks like we have a man overboard on a thread about mob gear. But in all seriousness people enjoy this forum because it is civilised, and when it isn't people leave.

nice edit

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SailMark said..
nice edit

that is why I don't bother

why delete the comments?

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Mike367 said..
why delete the comments?

Because they became personal and off topic.

It is a safety device worth over $300 at my last check. Take it as a little win and Keep it. Or sell it..... I would start with market place at $200 (depending on expiry date).

I have mixed feelings about Lifeslings, they seem like a good idea in theory but perform quite poorly when needed. I used to sail with a bunch of surfers, so everyone was comfortable in the water with a wetsuit on. We practised MOB drills with floats, dummys and real people. Under sail the Lifesling was pretty useless, regardless of the technique you are using you are going to be quite away from the MOB by the time you are coming back and are not going to easily "circle" the MOB to snag the line that is too short and skipping from wave crest to wave crest.

What we found worked best was to park the boat upwind and drift down, once the MOB is in your lee and you have a line to then then the sling is really useful for recovery but a tired MOD in cold water may have trouble putting it on or keeping their arms down when lifting.
We didn't have scoop on the stern or a ladder so we had no option but a lift, ended up having a carabiner on the sling for clipping to the MOB harness. Unconscious or semi-conscious MOB and it's a whole level of complexity.

Now, 20 years later, I'm thinking perhaps drop sails engine on is a lower risk strategy. Interested in other's MOB strategy and if you ever practice? I'm thinking some boaters just tick the box and having a Lifesling may instil a false sense of competence in performing a successful MOB.

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DrogueOne said..
I have mixed feelings about Lifeslings, they seem like a good idea in theory but perform quite poorly when needed. I used to sail with a bunch of surfers, so everyone was comfortable in the water with a wetsuit on. We practised MOB drills with floats, dummys and real people. Under sail the Lifesling was pretty useless, regardless of the technique you are using you are going to be quite away from the MOB by the time you are coming back and are not going to easily "circle" the MOB to snag the line that is too short and skipping from wave crest to wave crest.

What we found worked best was to park the boat upwind and drift down, once the MOB is in your lee and you have a line to then then the sling is really useful for recovery but a tired MOD in cold water may have trouble putting it on or keeping their arms down when lifting.
We didn't have scoop on the stern or a ladder so we had no option but a lift, ended up having a carabiner on the sling for clipping to the MOB harness. Unconscious or semi-conscious MOB and it's a whole level of complexity.

Now, 20 years later, I'm thinking perhaps drop sails engine on is a lower risk strategy. Interested in other's MOB strategy and if you ever practice? I'm thinking some boaters just tick the box and having a Lifesling may instil a false sense of competence in performing a successful MOB.

I've used one in practice quite a few times including at sea. I found it to be very good. Motoring around the MOB it only took a short time for him to get the line and the MOB could be hauled in and secured alongside. Recovery depended on conditions.

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Now, 20 years later, I'm thinking perhaps drop sails engine on is a lower risk strategy. Interested in other's MOB strategy and if you ever practice?

Hiya Drogue,
My MOB Strategy.
Scene: you are working to windward with jib and main, it's fresh to frightening and the MOB goes over.
-dan buoy goes over. One crew stays as the spotter.
crash tack the boat. The jib doesn't get touched but ease the main. The jib is on the wrong side and the main is not drawing which helps turn the boat dw quickly.
- start your circle back dw.
- quick check for ropes over the side, start engine.
- your're now passing mob heading dw halfway round the circle.
- gybe the boat. You only need to sort the main, the jib hasn't been touched.
- you should now be on a close hauled course to mob, aiming to retrieve them to leeward.
- depower the sailplan, you're under motor.
- crewmember is at the leeward shrouds with a long rope half-halfed in a loop. Drop the loop over the mob. You should be dead stopped by now.
- crewmember walks them back to the transom if you have a high freeboard.

I don't have a rescue sling , if I did I'd still do the same manouever, the difference would be if we screwed up getting a loop over them in the retrieval, the MOB could grab it and then you can haul them in.

A big part of our MOB training was making sure all the crew knew how to toss a neat loop around the MOB. Everyone gets it after a few goes, and it's one of those things that once you've done it a few times it becomes easy.

I agree 100% with engine on. I keep thinking I would look pretty stupid in front of a coroners court trying to explain why we didn't use the perfectly good engine and the poor sod in the water drowned.

Cheers!

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shaggybaxter said..

DrogueOne said..

Now, 20 years later, I'm thinking perhaps drop sails engine on is a lower risk strategy. Interested in other's MOB strategy and if you ever practice?

Hiya Drogue,
My MOB Strategy.
Scene: you are working to windward with jib and main, it's fresh to frightening and the MOB goes over.
-dan buoy goes over. One crew stays as the spotter.
crash tack the boat. The jib doesn't get touched but ease the main. The jib is on the wrong side and the main is not drawing which helps turn the boat dw quickly.
- start your circle back dw.
- quick check for ropes over the side, start engine.
- your're now passing mob heading dw halfway round the circle.
- gybe the boat. You only need to sort the main, the jib hasn't been touched.
- you should now be on a close hauled course to mob, aiming to retrieve them to leeward.
- depower the sailplan, you're under motor.
- crewmember is at the leeward shrouds with a long rope half-halfed in a loop. Drop the loop over the mob. You should be dead stopped by now.
- crewmember walks them back to the transom if you have a high freeboard.

I don't have a rescue sling , if I did I'd still do the same manouever, the difference would be if we screwed up getting a loop over them in the retrieval, the MOB could grab it and then you can haul them in.

A big part of our MOB training was making sure all the crew knew how to toss a neat loop around the MOB. Everyone gets it after a few goes, and it's one of those things that once you've done it a few times it becomes easy.

I agree 100% with engine on. I keep thinking I would look pretty stupid in front of a coroners court trying to explain why we didn't use the perfectly good engine and the poor sod in the water drowned.

Cheers!

That is the same process I was taught and use. The life sling is the, to me essential, fall back.
Nearly all such practice is in calm water where you normally get back to the MOB as described. At sea in a swell with a bit of wind it doesn't always go to plan. The sling is always ready to deploy when it goes pear shaped.

Good technique SB. I suppose it doesn't matter so much which method you use as long as you can execute on the plan. Certainly using the boat to create a lee is desirable, from being the victim, it's quite intimidating with a bit of swell. The boat is going to drift down on to you and you risk being under the hull and getting slapped back into it.
MB, think we have the same idea for the sling, more for getting the MOB back on board than getting them to the boat.

glad to see we are returning to SB and not heading towards SA.
I have a lifesling to, and it gets clipped on everytime we sail as a family.
If anyone goes over, its another thing to chuck in, and a tool in our arsenal.

I have pondered if it would be possible in trailing a quick release line velcoed to it.
My big fear is falling in sailing alone, my cat will just keep going without me quite easily.
But my logic is, if im doing 7 knots, and fall in from a stern scoop or above it, which is the most likely point, by the time you fall in, surface, recover from initial panic and reorientate, paddle 3 strokes to midline of the stern where the emergency line was trailing, it would have to be 50M? long?

I'd be interested to know how many of us have fallen overboard, and how you got back on?
I get the idea is not to go over in the first place...

I do like the sailing yacht quilt covers and don't see why I would be drinking red wine in bed or crew when we have a nice leather and timber saloon. ,
And a large locker that I have now labeled with all the new safety gear with new and ready to go if we need to evacuate into the life raft or highfield RIB.
i will keep the rescue sling and maybe drag it behind for a MoB test
why do you want it ? Why don't you just buy one for your fixed keel trailer sailer? still not sure what your issue is !