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dmcfall
dmcfall
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8 Sep 2008 1:39am
Gday Friends in the South,
I'm a 65 year old landsailer from No. California who sails the Alvord Desert in Southeastern Oregon. The playa is 5+ miles wide and 10 miles long and is in the shadow of the Steens Mountains-a mystical and little used spot.
I acquired a Pacific Magic last year and would like to find someone onsite that would be willing to give me some advice on sail trim and general maintenance.






Thanks,
Dennis
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
8 Sep 2008 7:49am
Welcome Dennis, they're great pics, thanks for posting them.

Paul ("Landyacht" as he is known on here) designed the Pacific Magic so I'm sure he and many of our other experienced team will have all the answers you need.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
8 Sep 2008 6:16pm
Thanks for adding another holiday destination to my list Dennis.
there seems to be alot of sheeting mayhem going on with the PM. I'm wondering if some of it is fighting other bits . could you please indulge my eye and take a photo with the sail FULLY sheeted and yourself sitting in the yacht. I do want to see how the whole sail sits rather than just the boom.
Are the wheels plastic ,or Ally. ?this is important as the plastic wheels will tend to go the all over the place at speed on your clay surface. I believe you guys refer to this a 'squirrely' .
out of interest how does the FED 5 sail compared to the PM. yours are the best photos Ive seen of a FED 5 and I get a feeling that some of the problems I found over time with the PM were sorted out in the FED 5 design by Mike Hampton right from the beginning.
Looks like a beautiful place to sail
cheers Paul
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
18 Sep 2008 6:42pm
heres the reply from dennis. This would probably the first indications of a comparison between the PM andthe FED 5 . only took 15 years. Dennis wrote
"Thanks for you reply and sorry it took so long to get back. We have been on the Alvord Desert for the past week and just got back.
Appreciate you interest in giving me a hand with the Pacific Magic and will get some more pics per you request.
The PM has plastic wheels sandwiched with aluminum disks. The Fed 5(my brother's) has the same wheel configuration and both seem fine, not at all squirrely.
My brother and I have not traded very often, so it I'm not sure we have a take on how the boats differ.
Although we didn't get much sailing in this past week, I was pleased at how well the PM sailed. It seems I am finally learning how to sail or an setting it up correctly.
I'm not sure how much to rake the mast and will send some pics of it with other boats and would appreciate your comments. "
BTR
BTR
WA
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BTR BTR
WA, 36 posts
21 Sep 2008 10:38pm
Hi DMCFAL, welcome, I now that yacht. I am sure I ran over it back in 2004 :) It is good to see an Aussie built yacht has made it that far across the planet. Good sailing.
GO Okie
GO Okie
17 posts
17 posts
24 Oct 2008 12:30pm
Hi guys! George the name. I live in Tulsa Oklahoma and totaly fascinated with landsailing. Not to good for landsailing here to many hills, trees, and lakes going to have to travel. I'm 55 year old man with a dear wife of thirtysix years and a weener dog named Cricket. I joined this forum because you guys seem to not mind talking about building land boats and offering pointers I tried here in the US, but every one seems to be tight lipped about the whole thing. Why I don't know. What I would like to know is how to make the yoke. The part that has the bearings and the fork goes through. This is all new to me and not even sure I posted it correctly I've seen many pictures of landyachts and many are home made. any assistance would be greatly appreciated. More question will be posted later. THANKS Geo.
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
24 Oct 2008 6:27pm
Welcome to the forum George, its good to have you onboard!!

I'm sure one of our resident designer builders will be able to answer all of your questions, but while you're waiting for them to turn up, have a read of the top post under the construction section where Paul (Landyacht) details how to build a Lefroy Mini and also if you look under "News" in the top blue bar then "Articles", you'll find a complete set of instructions to build a Pacific Magic.

Cheers

Phil
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
24 Oct 2008 8:36pm
GO Okie said...

I tried here in the US, but every one seems to be tight lipped about the whole thing. Why I don't know. What I would like to know is how to make the yoke. The part that has the bearings and the fork goes through. THANKS Geo.

G'ay George. The final design of a yoke or steering head will depend on what your overall yacht type is, ie small mini, cl5 size ( 5m2) or a big whopping yank tank
As a general rule , I use a nylon bush on the rotating parts to avoid seizing
. avoid metal on metal.in a larger yacht it may pay to have precision bearings to take the load.
If you can post some idea of sizes and wheel types Im sure we can help.
The tight lipped thing is probably due to people not really realizing that others are looking for help to build, one of the reasons Hills got the ball rolling on this site.
Some of older yacht builders have been off raising families and such for a decade or two and are all starting off again. There are more off the shelf yachts available today and so new sailors dont need to think about HOW they work , the just get in and go. when you start thinking about the WHY part and start building, you do see a whole new aspect of it all( hopr Im not getting to serious)
Cheers Paul
GO Okie
GO Okie
17 posts
17 posts
25 Oct 2008 10:51am
Appreciate th feed back guys. Landyacht I like your sence of humor. It will probably have to be a yank tank . Its going to have to haul me and the missus and possibly the weener (dog). Landyacht! life is to short to take things to serious. Personaly I'm not a competator. At my age you just try to have fun and enjoy life. We used to own a sailboat until the economy went south and the cost of living went north. I think a land boat will reqiure less maintenance and cheaper to store. I was thinking of using the yoke of a motor cycle with part of the frame tubes and a short fork. Can pick one up at a local motor cycle junk shop for a $100US It's going to have to be an assembly that will slide in and pin to the rest of the frame which Im hopeing to use 2 1/4 in. X ,125 in wall ally. round tube. It's my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, that round tubing is stronger tha square? I went to the news tab as suggested. Thats not a bad looking rig. Well, its getting late. I'll chat with you mates later, thanks again.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
25 Oct 2008 8:36pm
Before you go building gaint yachts have a serious think about buildling something smaller, like a lefroy mini. As this will get you sailing much quicker and the small simple yachts that are quick to build can mostly be built from free salvaged materials (even the mast and sail) and being a small yacht you may find a location locally where you can sail it. It will also give you an insight into what goes into buidling a yacht ready for your big one!
When you do build the big one you can always toss the mini in the bigone as a spare...perhaps the misuss will like that one better!
You may discover you could buy all the parts for a mini for the $100 for the wrecked motorcycle forks, which would probably be to heavy for the front anyway keep in touch
Paul
GO Okie
GO Okie
17 posts
17 posts
31 Oct 2008 10:45am
Landyaght thanks I truly see the wisdom in what you said about starting small and I shall. How about somthing like the Manta class? Would that be to big of a project? I'll look at the minis. Thanks again.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
31 Oct 2008 11:34am
The Lefroy mini plans in the construction section of this site are the simplist landyacht that I could design. as I have now built a few Ican cut out the bits and weld p a complete chassis in an afternoon, total build time of 1 week after work.
I just cant build em simpler or from cheaper material ,subsequently the performance is limited to being only as fast as a fully blinged out blokart or manta, which was the plan all along. next year I hope to work on a slicker version, that will catch a class 5, but of course such a thing costs.
GO Okie
GO Okie
17 posts
17 posts
5 Nov 2008 9:39am
Hellooooow good people down under! Hows the weather? I wen't and looked at the mini and I like it. I do have a few questions. 1. What is the distance between the front of the mast tube and the point of the keel, minus the yoke? 2. What is the angle to the tilt of the mast tube? 3. What thread was the discution on the mast and boom? Is it the one by Hill? 4. Where can a person get that plastic or teflon fork that rides on the mast attached to the boom? On a sail boat I beleve it called the goose neck. OOOh, yes what do you use on top of the mast to keep from punching a hole threw the pocket? Hope thats not to much to ask at one time! Well, Im starting to look for the materials. I gave away my torch and tanks, now I hope I can borrow them. That's what happens when you think you don't need somthing ever again. Going thew the phone book I found most places deal in whole sale metals. I did find one salvage place, there your kind of limited on what they have at the time. I,m not giving up. My plans are to make it my winter project. Please, I look forward to the answers to those questions to add to my notes. Landyacht those are a couple of nice looking minis . What size sails are on them? Looks like on one the sail is tied to the top of the mast. Well I said to much already plus the missus says it time for supper. THANKS ALOT GUYS YOUR A BIG HELP.
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
5 Nov 2008 8:31pm
Hello GO Okie
I can answer some of your questions, the goose neck is a plastic "rowlock" used on small rowboats. The things the oars fit in, they don't cost much.
Many things have been tried over the times but the rowlock seems to do the job the best.
The stopper at the end of the mast, i previously used to use a block of wood shaped like a mushroom.
The "Sandpiper" yachts i built used a door knob glued into the top of the mast.
Its amazing what you can find at the hardware store if you look at normal items and think what else could i do with this?

The measurements and angles for the mini yacht i will leave to someone else to respond to those.
GO Okie
GO Okie
17 posts
17 posts
6 Nov 2008 11:44am
Thanks Gizmo! I personally would not have thought of those things. I'm hoping Landyacht will answer my questions. All except the one asking the measurement from the mast tube to front point of the chassis/keel. I found the answer in one of his drawings where it gives the measurement from the axle to mast tube. The other can be figured from there.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
6 Nov 2008 9:21pm
GO Okie said...

Hellooooow good people down under! Hows the weather? I wen't and looked at the mini and I like it. I do have a few questions. 1. What is the distance between the front of the mast tube and the point of the keel, minus the yoke? 2. What is the angle to the tilt of the mast tube? 10 degrees 3. What thread was the discution on the mast and boom? do a search under Boom for lefroy mini and 3 piece mast as proven by Bill Finch.


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