Just thought it would be interesting to find out what others are doing in relation to which knots they hook up to when flying the Rev, I recently bought a 11m and 9m Rev ( awesome kit ) after testing them first, both test kites were hooked up at the 3rd knot in on the front lines and 2nd knot in on the back lines, the local shop advised me to do this as well when setting up which is what I have been doing with success, however I was wandering if anyone else out there has tried anything else or just hook up to both end knots and if so what did they find.

Cheers

Wayne

Hi Wayne

Forget the knots thing mate its a load of BS. Seriously, just try different knots and see if you can actually notice anything different about how the kite flies?
All the trim adjustment is done at the bar, the knots are a throwback to c kites, and should be done away with on high depower kites like bows and hybrids like the Rev.

I connect to the middle knot on all bows and hybrids I use, and never vary that, and never need to to, because it makes virtually ZERO difference.
The only tiny difference it makes is to the bar position, and you can make all the bar trim adjustment you need - at the bar.

Merry Christmas

and Goodwinds

Steve

Have to dissagree here.
Yes using different knots makes no difference to the power as you can just tune it at the bar. However it will affect the bar travel if you let go of the bar. I would suggest on a big wind day to set any bridled kite for less power at the kite.

Jason
BrisKites

the knots are good for fine tuning; i hate pulling on depower to unhook, with the knots you can set the kite up to fly perfectly unhooked without having the rope flying around/hitting you in the face ect especially with its hard plastic end.
or if your not into unhooking then my set up would piss you off as your arms would cramp up from pulling in the bar all the time to get the same power as you would normally with the more comfortable arms extended.

Divo I'm in the same boat as you, just got a 13m Rev and attempting to fine tune with the knots.
On light wind days I put the back lines on the knot closest to the kite and centre lines on the knot furthest away. Medium winds middle knots. High winds, back lines knots furthest away, centre lines the closest.
Then at the bar fiddle with he depower.
Anybody else with a Rev have different ideas would love to hear them (might try your set up Divo).

Cheers

All things being equal it seems logical to me to set lines at outer knots. Once you've sussed out your kite it's much better to tune it at the kite rather than the bar to get the full use of bar adjustment. You need all the bar adjustment on the rev to match wind conditions. Bear in mind 1 knot at kite (30mm apart) equals 60mm of sheeting at cleat (2 to 1 ).
My 9m was just perfect standard. I've now gone to 2nd knot on front lines to compensate for line stretch. Yes, even these big suckers do stretch after a while.
My 13m, I've also gone to 2nd knot at front but for a different reason. Lines haven't stretched a micky, but as my light wind kite it was stalling too easy, air speed is more important.
As for oversheeting with the knots set up in light wind to try & get more power, that sounds very peculiar to me.
Thats my opinion
But **** hot kites ah ! COL

been riding the revs for a few months now and love them. front piggy tails i go the middle and back ones i go the bottom so its always slightly depowered. used the same method on my fuels for years and i found it good for unhooked riding to be slightly depowered withouit pulling in too much depower on your chicken rope and the revs work good this way as you dont want to choke them too much. as for hooked in riding it makes a very small difference. you need to just play around with to suit yourself. just dont choke them with too much back line tension as they love a bit of depower to work their best i found.

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kitecrazzzy said...

the knots are good for fine tuning; i hate pulling on depower to unhook,

But u never unhook!!

I have a 9m and 13m and I find they both work best with the lines pulled in one knot at the front, this is mainly because I ride unhooked alot and with the bar right in as opposed to sheeting out and I find as the wind builds I will even run it pulled in one more.
Settings are an individual thing to experiment with what works best for you, if you ride fast you may be better to pull them in if you ride slow you might like them longer..
Have fun and great riding..

Thanks to everyone for their input, I guess it is an individual thing but its still interesting to hear what other people trial and find out when flying the same type of kite, I went to Woodies ( very crowded ) yesterday for the first time in 3 1/2 weeks ( due to injury ) and tied off at at the 2nd knot in on the front lines and the outside knot for the back lines, found the kite lacking in the low end but I think its something I have to get used to as I have always flown Fuels tied off at the outside knots for front and back lines. Next time I will give the outside lines on the Rev a go both front and back which will pretty much cover everything, I know it will need to be changed for different wind speeds but I hope to find a general setting that works in most conditions.

Happy New Year to all and hope the winds blow well for 2008.

Cheers Wayne

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kitecrazzzy said...

the knots are good for fine tuning; i hate pulling on depower to unhook, with the knots you can set the kite up to fly perfectly unhooked without having the rope flying around/hitting you in the face ect especially with its hard plastic end.
or if your not into unhooking then my set up would piss you off as your arms would cramp up from pulling in the bar all the time to get the same power as you would normally with the more comfortable arms extended.

No need to fiddle with the knots, they are so close together anyway, it makes a beesd1ick of difference.
If you unhook, then trim approx 5-10cm off the trim line, just unscrew the self tapper screws in the black knob and feed the silver line through, screw the self tappers back in and trim it off - voila, no dangling bits, to bother unhookers.

Like someone else said, what you do today will cahnge next week due to line stretch, get used to using the trimmer at the c-loop, and only adjust it when it gets too windy for a comfortable riding position.

I was out on the shop 11M demo last night, in approx 25 + at times awesome jumping and upwind machine. Had the centre line trimmed in approx 12cm, and rode like that for 90 mins, just sheeted out on the bigger gusts or on transitions or landing jumps.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Finally got a ride on my new 7 meter rev today, very nice kite, only was about 15knots so some what underpowered and having to do the walk of shame, but was clean non gusty wind (so the kite was really smooth and didn’t fly forward and back), cant wait for 18 to 20 knots down winder in the waves with the surfboard!

Has a really nice power through the turns more c like than bow like as was only way I managed to get going was to down loop heaps!!!

I set mine up with the knots in the middle, unhooked the kite just stayed where it was nice and stable with a consistent pull, of course need to try this in more wind which usually means more gusts so jury still out on how it will ride unhooked - lets just say im excited at the potential.

Couple of things I miss on the kite is the 5th line and personally I would rather have single inflation but oh well ya get that..

Anyhow time to hit the piss... Happy New Year’s kids!