I've owned the RRD religion for the past 3 years and really like the fast turning speed. Has anyone compared the turning speed of the religion with the Cabrinha Drifter?

Yes please, I have the religion as well and love it but it is time for an upgrade. Can't seem to find any review by someone who knows well the REO,Drifter and Religion.

I have used the Drifter extensively and also the Reo, you can't go wrong with both, sorry I have never tried the Religion.

I have the religion and have flown drifter and reo...... religion is far superior for wave riding...... Its construction is second to none.....

What makes the Religion far superior for wave riding?

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Review/Ozone-reo-rrd-religion/

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borntokite said...
I have the religion and have flown drifter and reo...... religion is far superior for wave riding...... Its construction is second to none.....

I'd be interested to hear what makes it's construction second to none? I've been on cabrinha since 2003 with a quick sabbatical around 08-09 (not a team rider or get free gear) and I have never had a cabrinha let go on me ever. Bladders, valves, you name it. I had one rip in half after getting flogged in the waves.... But I'm pretty sure that doesn't count : )

Religion is the fastest turning kite, then comes Reo and last is the Drifter. The Cabrinha is excellent in good conditions, a really fantastic kite, I would say natural and super easy, and of course a very good "drifter". In mushy, messy conditions I prefer the Religion , instant turning is crazy, saved many of my last second decision to turn or manoeuvre on a wave. Some people don't like that "too fast turning!". Reo is a very good kite but construction is way too light, it's a dream kite for repair shops. I like the switch Method2 as well. Something in between the drifter and the religion. Very well made, good drifter, fast turning, with controllable power in the turn. Easy.
And the winner for the toughest construction is: the religion of course. Maybe too much for the biggest size in lighter winds??? (I haven't tried the 10 or the 11,5m)
My 2 cents....

hey haluchine, seems you have ridden all three of these kites ( all 2013 ?) could you rate the bar pressure from lightest to heaviest please?

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zola said...

I've owned the RRD religion for the past 3 years and really like the fast turning speed. Has anyone compared the turning speed of the religion with the Cabrinha Drifter?

rrd shyte .... turns like a dog and flys to far back in the wind window, rule of kiting stick to he kites that work ... the known brands
Reo turns well I am amazed at it, slingshot good kite, cabrinha good kite, F1 good kite, must I carry on ...

If your after a fast turning wave kite, also consider the Airush Wave - I still prefer my Reo,s but was impressed with the Wave (9m) despite its long bridles and 6 pulley,s.

Hi Lubdey, First I would say that bar pressure might change form one year to another on the same model. By example Switch method bar pressure was very high, they changed it for the V2 version and it is now moderate. I would say from lightest to hardest, Religion, Reo , Method V2, Drifter. I don't know for the other ones.
I used 2011,2012 and 2013 kites.
Extreme opinions like "RRD are shyte" make me smile...

Agreed, I know a local who shreds the waves to sh1t on a RRD. Powered fast and aggressive, the RRD is perfect for his kamikaze style.

thanks haluchine, no demo kites down here so that is very helpful, i can get to fly a reo so if the religion is quicker turning and lighter bar pressure i am very interested, my one concern is everyone says about the build being significantly sturdier than most does this mean enough extra weight to effect the drift?

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ludbey said...
thanks haluchine, no demo kites down here so that is very helpful, i can get to fly a reo so if the religion is quicker turning and lighter bar pressure i am very interested, my one concern is everyone says about the build being significantly sturdier than most does this mean enough extra weight to effect the drift?

I thought they'd toned down the amount of Dacron in the new model to try and moderate the weight especially in the bigger sizes, I could be wrong though.

The main thing is that all these "wave" kites are made to make our life easier in the waves. From here, it depends on style, as Eppo mentioned , local conditions of waves and wind, local availability and maybe a bit of irrational something...details in design, local rider influence, whatever...Yes the Religion 2013 are a bit lighter than previous versions. But still strongly built. It might affect the drifting ability on light winds only, bigger kite sizes.
I never had any drifting problem with my wife's 2011 7m Religion, but I never used that kite in light wind! I know that some people mix their kite quiver, by example Religion in small sizes and Reo in bigger sizes. Why not?

Hi, this is a really interesting topic. In that regard, Kiteworld magazine Apr/May issue has just reviewed the 2013 Cabrinha Drifter, Ozone Reo, Airush Wave, RRD Religion, and Best Cabo in smaller sizes that were tested in Cape Town. It's not online, so I'll try to summarize. Of course, the magazine doesn't say any are bad, but have different characteristics that will suit riders of different sizes, abilities, and the conditions they ride in. Each kite was said to have the same slack line drift ability, 7.5 out of 10. All had good, smooth power delivery and won't pull you off the board. The Reo had the best water relaunch, the Drifter the least good, with the others in between. So, for the Drifter 7m they said it had good low end, but with only moderate fast pivotal turning and steering speed compared to the others. Bar pressure is towards the top end of the bunch. The Reo 8m and 6m has "probably the best all-round performance and ease-of-use" of the kites tested, with a fast pivotal turn and moderately quick steering speed. Again bar pressure is towards the top end of the spectrum tested. The Wave 9m and 6m is "super high-performance, reactive" with a good pivotal turn and super-fast steering speed that allows you to "throw it all over the window". Bar pressure on the lower side. The Religion 7m is at the performance end with a good quick pivotal turn and quite quick steering speed, and the lightest bar pressure of the bunch. The Cabo 7m comes out as a good wave kite with a fast pivotal turn, quick steering speed and moderate bar pressure, though they question its low-end ability. I hope I haven't misrepresented their views. Get the magazine if you would like the full nuanced run-down.
For myself, I have an Airush Wave 12m (don't get much wind here) and I just ordered a 9m. I tested a friend's Airush 9m Wave against a Ozone Reo 10m. I'd say the Reo's pivotal turn was slightly quicker and the bar pressure heavier, though it slackens off when you ride towards the kite. I personally like the lighter bar and faster speed of the Wave. But they're both great wave kites.

Most aspects of wave-riding can be better compered in light wind conditions when things are pushed to the limits, differences between kites show.
any kite will drift relaunch and fast turn in strong winds , my opinion is that the test in south Africa strong wind small kite can tell very little, no wonder all kites came close in the test.

I have had Reo 6,8,10,12 m and Religions 7,9,11.5(2012) and kited in waves only, in most known and unknown spots from Exmouth to Esperace. Including sub 10 knots.

I usually have some different preferences and ideas abut what works for me in the waves most being ignored in descriptions abut wave-riding

*Fast turning is a bonus but not the most important part of the tools needed to attack the lip,
*fast turning and fast moving through the window are not to be confused the second can work against you in some cases
*relaunch in light winds in the waves: realizing water from the canopy is far more important then kite materials weight (30 liters are 30 kilos between kite materials we have only few grams)
most 12m kites can go in way lighter winds then they can relaunch ,if one cant relaunch the party is over!
*when drift is being measured and pushed to the limit, it is a combination of the kite going down and in which direction it dose so as it lose high, when a kite is BALANCED it keeps on going in the desired direction even if it loose height so it gives you more time to get your move before you can have tension on the lines again( in some cases a light canopy with relative heavy leading edge will point down faster if it is a fast kite as well it will fly strait down faster)

There are more important factors which are to complex to discuss in writing
any way different styles need different kite abilities

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truster said...

I have had Reo 6,8,10,12 m and Religions 7,9,11.5(2012) and kited in waves only, in most known and unknown spots from Exmouth to Esperace. Including sub 10

*when drift is being measured and pushed to the limit, it is a combination of the kite going down and in which direction it dose so as it lose high, when a kite is BALANCED it keeps on going in the desired direction even if it loose height so it gives you more time to get your move before you can have tension on the lines again( in some cases a light canopy with relative heavy leading edge will point down faster if it is a fast kite as well it will fly strait down faster)

There are more important factors which are to complex to discuss in writing
any way different styles need different kite abilities

Like your comments,
Noticed you had/have Reo's, I found the 6 & 8 balanced but the 10 not as good. Mine tends to fly back up to 12 when drifting, does this happen with yours? (2011 kites)

When I upgrade this summer the wainmans will be on top off my list to demo & compare. Tried a couple of mates kites and was pleasantly surprised. Cover all the criteria mentioned above but not many consider them.

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truster said...
Most aspects of wave-riding can be better compered in light wind conditions when things are pushed to the limits, differences between kites show.
any kite will drift relaunch and fast turn in strong winds , my opinion is that the test in south Africa strong wind small kite can tell very little, no wonder all kites came close in the test.

I have had Reo 6,8,10,12 m and Religions 7,9,11.5(2012) and kited in waves only, in most known and unknown spots from Exmouth to Esperace. Including sub 10 knots.

I usually have some different preferences and ideas abut what works for me in the waves most being ignored in descriptions abut wave-riding

*Fast turning is a bonus but not the most important part of the tools needed to attack the lip,
*fast turning and fast moving through the window are not to be confused the second can work against you in some cases
*relaunch in light winds in the waves: realizing water from the canopy is far more important then kite materials weight (30 liters are 30 kilos between kite materials we have only few grams)
most 12m kites can go in way lighter winds then they can relaunch ,if one cant relaunch the party is over!
*when drift is being measured and pushed to the limit, it is a combination of the kite going down and in which direction it dose so as it lose high, when a kite is BALANCED it keeps on going in the desired direction even if it loose height so it gives you more time to get your move before you can have tension on the lines again( in some cases a light canopy with relative heavy leading edge will point down faster if it is a fast kite as well it will fly strait down faster)

There are more important factors which are to complex to discuss in writing
any way different styles need different kite abilities

Good comments.
Which kites and sizes did you prefer out of the the Reo's and Religion's?

What we have here is 3 really able wave kite choices chucking the airush wave in.

You need to demo all three and see what clicks with you. Also email all the specific riders and ask pertinent questions. It's always a bit of a puzzle you need to put together.

No kite is better than another. The wainmens have Also been mentioned whick i believe from riding them to be a great all rounder kite whose forte is in the surf, but not quite as good as a specific wave kite choice. But it may do the job only you can make that decision. .

I'm looking at the Drifter, Reo, and Wave as potential new kites.

From the reviews it seems that the Drifter has the most power and is a little bit more freeride, the Reo is super stable, easy to fly, and fast, and the Wave is the fastest, and generates tonnes of power by zipping it around, but also the hardest to manage for that beginner/intermediate level.

I'll be demoing the Drifter and Wave in about a month, and demoing the Reo when I get back home to NSW. First purchase will be a 6/7m, followed by other sizes as I get the money. Looking forward to it and I will report my findings :)

I have enjoined all of this kites.
Reo vs religion:
reo is bit 0.0001 percent faster due to no pullis giving more instant respond.(after that they are the same)
They drift the same when going strait at it BUT the religion can drift in many different ways and the reo only going strait at it
the reo is not comfy when drifting the kite strait above you which is a must when wind is light or you want to go vertical on the wave and beyond(this is when the religion is WAY better)
the reo is more exciting kite as long as you don't know the extra possibility that the religion can offer
and the Reo don't have it on the menu .

The reo is very exiting kite. But it comes on the expense of very important elements which can be appreciated after having experience and time on the religion

the thin leading edge light weight and no pullis makes the reo so existing which is easy to do because its design is borrowing elements from free ride kites on the expense of necessity in the waves

the religion on the other hand has thick leading edge( = the kite keep its shape better after taken by a wave, and float more on the water so it relaunch better despite its weight)
the pullis makes the religion safe to fly on the edge of the window and high above, another thing is you can relaunch religion strait down the line(hot launch) or in the very edge of the window, roe loves hot launch but in the edge of the window there is a risk
despite the weight and the thick leading edge the religion it still going upwind(2012 and later) is still very fast ,drift superb,and relaunch great in light conditions now that is hard to design!

Reo is a better as an all around kite and its weight is exciting feel.
Religion has more dept and wider options and directions you can go on the wave.
If you don't drop the kite anyway and ride the wave fast down the line or in onshore conditions go REO
if you only wave-ride, and in variety of conditions mainly in cross to cross-off wind and try new things all the time(= more crushing) go Religion.

Truster, what is your opinion on the Airush Wave kites? Have you ridden them before? They, like the Religion, have a pulley system and would be interested in your thoughts on similarities.

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truster said...

I have had Reo 6,8,10,12 m and Religions 7,9,11.5(2012)

Hi truster
I thinking of adding the 11.5 religion to my 2012
9 m . your thoughts on the 11.5 as a second kite
I'm 80 kgs on a 5'10 surfboard and comfortably get going at 16 knots on the 9
Cheers

Zarb

I didn't try the airush wave, but if I had to choose it would be first on the list to try

Allano
,
the religion 11.5 is amazing kite with ability second to non. i am 80 kg I am using three surfboards(not at the same time) all are 5'10 long, different with for different wind strength or power of wave.

If I may generalize .
Small kits(0-7 m) can relaunch comfortably in lighter winds than they can comfortably get going in
medium sizes(8-10) can relaunch and get going in abut the same winds
large kites in the waves can make it going in lighter winds then can relaunch in the waves (so bigger then 10 is a whole new game in many ways)

SO when I judge a kite smaller then 10m, relaunch ability is in the middle low place on the list
however in 12m kite in the waves relaunch go strait to the top of the list !!!

I have an obsession abut wave riding in minimal winds (=don't mind swimming with my favorite Geer I named this new sport of mine “kite-swimming”) last time I have commented abut light wind wave riding on this forum was 2 years ago
I was abused by some bully's in this forum how cant discuss interesting issues with members that holds different views then their own , so I didn't post since

Thanks truster

Great info and I'm glad someone of your experience has come back to the forum.

I second that.