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cauncy said..
good to see theyve given the aluminium bar the flick and look like a very clean simple system, looking forward to a demo at the midwest windfest

www.thekiteboarder.com/2017/11/meet-fone-2018-linx-bar/

Check out the review of the new linxbar by Yhe Kiteboarder Mag

www.thekiteboarder.com/2017/11/2018-buyers-guide-f-one/

Here is is a review on the kites and why F-One is now making more kites and not focusing solely on the famous Bandit.

Also it takes a look into the surfboards this year and the latest twin tips...

Worth a read!

blatant lies from seller who refuses to hear old customers out regarding a product that has been proven deadly due to poor design.

typical

anyone reading this should really take this into consideration. you will not be supported refunded or helped

or worst of all even listened to.

once f one have your cash you are on your own. the vast majority of the kiting world knows how bad there kites are and you end up with unsellable equipment because no one wants it.

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fanfare said..
blatant lies from seller who refuses to hear old customers out regarding a product that has been proven deadly due to poor design.

typical

anyone reading this should really take this into consideration. you will not be supported refunded or helped

or worst of all even listened to.

once f one have your cash you are on your own. the vast majority of the kiting world knows how bad there kites are and you end up with unsellable equipment because no one wants it

What are you actually even talking about?
After sales support?
In Australia?
By current importer?
Old importer?
Or just in general?

I Haven't had any issues that weren't solved personally and I've ridden F.One gear for over 7 years!

Also I have found that the 2nd hand resale $$$ value of f.one gear to be better than any other kites I've sold in the past.

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fanfare said..
blatant lies from seller who refuses to hear old customers out regarding a product that has been proven deadly due to poor design.

typical

anyone reading this should really take this into consideration. you will not be supported refunded or helped

or worst of all even listened to.

once f one have your cash you are on your own. the vast majority of the kiting world knows how bad there kites are and you end up with unsellable equipment because no one wants it.

The funniest thing I recently saw was a guy who rides bandits on the beach with his arm's folded watching his kite go without him on it.. After asking him who's out on your kite he said, quote.. I was and had to ditch it cause after pulling the safety it just kept pulling him.. So he ditched the whole thing and swam in!

That's so 2001/2!
Unbelievable but good thing there's forum's for people's comments, opinions and experiences like here on seabreeze.
Keep it real seabreeze!!

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fanfare said..
blatant lies from seller who refuses to hear old customers out regarding a product that has been proven deadly due to poor design.

typical

Poor design? This is probably why most of the brands have copied it to offer a Delta shape in their own range.

Most school today will advise learner to get a Delta shape, regardless of the brand. So I guess F-one did a pretty good job when designing it 10 years ago...

Pre 2018, I'd agree that the safety on both centre lines was not the best choice although I never had a problem with it, I wouldn't advise it to a beginner. Remember that North had it on their quad lines as well for quite some times. They are pros and cons for both. Safety on one line is easy to trigger however if that "one" line snaps, your only choice is to ditch your quite.


Seriously, why don't you tell us about your agenda? I am sure all your comments will make more sense after that....

Well said, Livit.
Fanfare obviously has an axe to grind and needs to come out and lay it down.
usually such recent members with these posts are hiding in anonymity to disguise the truth
For us to take fanfare seriously he/She needs to get it out.

agenda? get it out?

what planet are you guys on?

cant handle the truth about a product you have made a mistake in buying. only thing we should be "getting out" is our medical bills
caused by f one kites.

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fanfare said..
blatant lies from seller who refuses to hear old customers out regarding a product that has been proven deadly due to poor design.

typical

anyone reading this should really take this into consideration. you will not be supported refunded or helped

or worst of all even listened to.

once f one have your cash you are on your own. the vast majority of the kiting world knows how bad there kites are and you end up with unsellable equipment because no one wants it.

Utter f.....g bollocks, At the Midwest windfest they were certainly up there , didn't hear any negatives at all, The kites looked as good as anything there, bar was really good
and the kite performed really well, the team seemed very passionate about the kites and kiting as a sport, I know for a fact the kites were being bought,

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fanfare said..
agenda? get it out?

what planet are you guys on?

cant handle the truth about a product you have made a mistake in buying. only thing we should be "getting out" is our medical bills
caused by f one kites.

No mistake there mate, loving the product and can't fault it. Seems to be the case for many others as well so there might be a good reason for that.

Don't know anyone who had a medical bill linked to their purchase of an F-one kite either .

Maybe hit up your local kite school for a lesson? Many choose blame their equipment over their lack of skills and like to make it public on forum trying their best to bag a product for no genuine reason. I think if you don't like it, just don't buy it and move on. Plenty of other gear out there to satisfy all riders levels.

I personally had a few kite mares with my RRDs 2009, doesn't mean I won't consider that brand in the future... Same goes with Bandit, thankfully a Bandit 11 has not much in common with the original that was released in 2008...

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fanfare said..
blatant lies from seller who refuses to hear old customers out regarding a product that has been proven deadly due to poor design.

typical

anyone reading this should really take this into consideration. you will not be supported refunded or helped

or worst of all even listened to.

once f one have your cash you are on your own. the vast majority of the kiting world knows how bad there kites are and you end up with unsellable equipment because no one wants it.

Utter f.....g bollocks, At the Midwest windfest they were certainly up there , didn't hear any negatives at all, The kites looked as good as anything there, bar was really good
and the kite performed really well, the team seemed very passionate about the kites and kiting as a sport, I know for a fact the kites were being bought, mate had the bar issue, fone replaced all without an issue

That fellow on the bandit and in boots was kicking ass in the big air comp. bloody quick kite hey.

//imgur.com/XZptqTy

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eppo said..
That fellow on the bandit and in boots was kicking ass in the big air comp. bloody quick kite hey.

Denys his name is. Saw this clip last night on fb and thought it was pretty awesome.

What board is he riding here? Cool graphic

enjoyed that, cheers James.

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orac said..
What board is he riding here? Cool graphic

Xenon Hop

kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2384820

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Another-death-loop-videomore-lessons-learned?page=1
kiteboarder.co.uk/kitesurfing/death-loops-50362

forum.oase.com/showthread.php?s=a2db2964beeb2c48c25d8d74a123169e&t=75608

www.kitehigh.nl/forum/index.php?topic=45483.0

www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2380364

www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2368385

www.kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2372927

www.kiteboarder.net.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Canadian-dies-in-death-loop-drowning/



www.bayareakiteboarding.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=97471


alot of other links linking to other catastrophic breaches of safety failures and deaths due to f one kites were not able to be posted.

i consider this information vital to the safety not just of those looking to buy kites but for those who are simply kitesurfing in the same area as f one kite flyers.

hope that helps some of you. and remember to do your own research dont believe the packs of brand spruikers who are financially gaining from selling equipment and being paid for promoting.

enjoy

oh and call me a liar again i might just have to find my hospital bills and loss of work again wouldn't that be fun

remember kiters these are the attitudes your going to receive after there safety fails and you get injured.

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cauncy said..

fanfare said..
blatant lies from seller who refuses to hear old customers out regarding a product that has been proven deadly due to poor design.

typical

anyone reading this should really take this into consideration. you will not be supported refunded or helped

or worst of all even listened to.

once f one have your cash you are on your own. the vast majority of the kiting world knows how bad there kites are and you end up with unsellable equipment because no one wants it.

Utter f.....g bollocks, At the Midwest windfest they were certainly up there , didn't hear any negatives at all, The kites looked as good as anything there, bar was really good
and the kite performed really well, the team seemed very passionate about the kites and kiting as a sport, I know for a fact the kites were being bought, mate had the bar issue, fone replaced all without an issue

This deserves at least a free t shirt or hat..

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fanfare said..


alot of other links linking to other catastrophic breaches of safety failures and deaths due to f one kites were not able to be posted.

i consider this information vital to the safety not just of those looking to buy kites but for those who are simply kitesurfing in the same area as f one kite flyers.

hope that helps some of you. and remember to do your own research dont believe the packs of brand spruikers who are financially gaining from selling equipment and being paid for promoting.

enjoy

oh and call me a liar again i might just have to find my hospital bills and loss of work again wouldn't that be fun

remember kiters these are the attitudes your going to receive after there safety fails and you get injured.

As mentioned before, 2018 flags on one centre line so that means your concern has been addressed by F-One.

The OP is talking about the 2018 so if you have an axe to grind, just start your own topic about the actual product you are concerned with instead of bashing one that has none of these problems.

I tried my safety on my new Bandits 11 and it worked as expected. I have been using it for foiling, surfing and find it is a great kite.

Just move on dude.

Reckon this guy might need his safety more than the rest of us kooks.

Incredible riding ....on a f one kite:

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10215313892940307&id=1224866822&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kiteforum.com%2Fviewtopic.php&_rdr

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Livit said..

fanfare said..


alot of other links linking to other catastrophic breaches of safety failures and deaths due to f one kites were not able to be posted.

i consider this information vital to the safety not just of those looking to buy kites but for those who are simply kitesurfing in the same area as f one kite flyers.

hope that helps some of you. and remember to do your own research dont believe the packs of brand spruikers who are financially gaining from selling equipment and being paid for promoting.

enjoy

oh and call me a liar again i might just have to find my hospital bills and loss of work again wouldn't that be fun

remember kiters these are the attitudes your going to receive after there safety fails and you get injured.

As mentioned before, 2018 flags on one centre line so that means your concern has been addressed by F-One.

The OP is talking about the 2018 so if you have an axe to grind, just start your own topic about the actual product you are concerned with instead of bashing one that has none of these problems.

I tried my safety on my new Bandits 11 and it worked as expected. I have been using it for foiling, surfing and find it is a great kite.

Just move on dude.

Obviously you haven't had a friend, relative, brother,sister,mate's mate,mate's ex boyfriend who's now not here as a result of using these death traps. Be respectful to those who should be here but aren't as a result of being on a bandit and being in a bad situation with out of control death looping kite just like you would if it happened to your mate or loved one. Peace out.

they don't care cause there getting free hats and discounts.

anyways whatever i'm done copping **** for careing. just hope someone reading this has a quick flick thru some of the links i posted. to help make up their own mind

This brand bashing is uncool. We all know dual front line safety systems are not as safe as a single FLS, and it appears as though Fone have now adopted the single FLS system aswell. end of story.

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jamesperth said..
This brand bashing is uncool. We all know dual front line safety systems are not as safe as a single FLS, and it appears as though Fone have now adopted the single FLS system aswell. end of story.

well said james, for those who dont you also have a safety leash to rid yourself of a looping kite

Another independent review of the new bandit 11 2018
www.facebook.com/nathan.katterns/posts/10155274207408240

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jamesperth said..
This brand bashing is uncool. We all know dual front line safety systems are not as safe as a single FLS, and it appears as though Fone have now adopted the single FLS system aswell. end of story.

Agreed James well said mate!

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Nathan SKS said..

jamesperth said..
This brand bashing is uncool. We all know dual front line safety systems are not as safe as a single FLS, and it appears as though Fone have now adopted the single FLS system aswell. end of story.

Agreed James well said mate!

Ditto

Hi all,

Denys here ... just adding my 2 cents.

My first kite was the Bandit 1 that I bought from a German guy in Philippines who convinced me that it was one of the best kite on the market. I did a bit of online research to confirm it. I have since then had almost every version of the bandit and only skipped 3 or 4 versions. I tried many other kites from most brands and always came back to Bandit even for wakestyle training. The kite performance has always been excellent and is just perfect for my style (combination of freestyle, big air and wave). Disclaimer: I naturally started to get good deals and to support F-one, not just for the deals but because I really believe in this product and want to proudly support it.

Their presence in Australia is very low compared to other countries probably for marketing reasons and because a lot of people are not aware of how good these kites are. Very very few people were disappointed after trying my Bandits, even pure C shape kite riders that are used to a different type of kite.

I had many kitemares/deathloops like everyone kiting extensively for various reasons (snapped lines, tangle lines with other kites, leash pulling the bar, etc.). The only issue I ever had with the bandits that was caused by a design problem was the safety release being too sensitive with the 2011 version I think. This was very quickly identified and F-one did recall all the chicken loops for replacement. This being said, I only had to use my safety system at most 5-6 times in over 10 years but never had any issues with it. The Bandit has an outstanding depower capability making it in my opinion a very safe kite in general, I never felt unsafe using it, quite the opposite. Death loops can happen for many different reasons (design, old equipment, tangled lines, etc); kiters should be taught or do some research on how to avoid and what to do in the event of a deathloop. As Cauncy said, there is always the option to release the leash which will directly put the loops to an end; you would just need to swim/run fast :) . See this very instructive and well known video here:

F-one spends an incredible amount of time in R&D and as they have very few models compared to other brands, the bandit is probably the most advanced product on the market. They brought a lot of innovation on the kite market (i.e. the delta shape which has been adopted by most brands). However, they tend to take their time when it comes to bar improvements. I'm really glad they caught up this year and added new features improving safety and usability (swivel, adjustable bar length, new safety system, etc.). That new bar is really nice. The only thing that is still missing in my opinion is a different pulley system which tends to damage the bridles, especially with big loops :-)

In terms of support, I always had good support in every countries I have lived (Asia, Europe, Mauritius and Australia) and used the warranty on a number of other products without any problems. Sometimes, you need to be patient and wait for the shipping though which can be frustrating but probably applies to a lot of other brands.

I agree that this brand bashing is uncool and anyone with the same intention would probably be able to do the same with any major brands by just googling "Brand_name issues/accident". Just give it a try with the Trust bar for example which is known as one of the best bar on the market... All brands have had issues, no product is perfect especially in the kite industry which is still very new. Just look at how kites have improved in 15 years. What matters is that all brand keep improving and testing their products and security. And it would be very wrong to say that it is not the case for the Bandit. I would actually be very surprised to hear that another kite has had more development/testing than the Bandit. And again, schools and riders have also a very important to play when it comes to security; death loops are more common than most people would imagine and can happen for a lot of various reasons. People need to know how to react in this situation like they need to know the emergency procedure on a plane.

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eppo said..
That fellow on the bandit and in boots was kicking ass in the big air comp. bloody quick kite hey.

Hey Eppo, we had a session together in Exmouth - Graveyard a couple of months ago. We were teasing each other with our tricks... great fun! YOU were kicking ass :-)

I think I also had a session with your son last week-end at the pond. Is he riding a North Neo? This little fellow is on his way to kick ass too, he did great loops for a wave rider!