Hi
I surf already 10 years on fone
Now I what to move to different companie
I surf old school and search for big air time
Core xr6 or duotone rebel?

Yep. They will both do very well for big air. Which one does your local store stock? Good to support your local store and helps in the unfortunate case you need to claim on the warranty.

Both near my home spot

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liron33 said..
Both near my home spot

So demo both then decide.

Demo both but my experience (own 2019 Rebels but ride mates XR5/6s every now and again) is pretty much:

- XR6 higher harness pressure, rebel more balanced between front and back lines
- Rebel more explosive jump feeling than XR6
- XR6 jump sweet spot a little wider.
- XR6 possibly a little more stall resistant to poor bar trimming
- XR6 better if you want to also ride on a hydrofoil/surfboard (though still not brilliant - get the Nexus/Dice if you want more allround)
- XR6 easier access to the last 10% of top end. Needs a bit more technique and leg strength to get the max wind range from the rebel (just change down anyway as you'll go higher)
- Click bar is nice but the new Sensor 3 bar is a thing of beauty.
- XR6 needs to be packed up carefully to get the air out of the struts. 2 dump valves on the rebel so you can roll tip to tip if its really blowing.
- Velcro tabs on the XR6 excellent to keep the bridles tidy when packing up/setting up.
- XR6 canopy beautifully tight on the beach. Rebel flaps a little more on the beach. Both 'tight as the mate who never buys the drinks' once in the air though.

There's not a huge difference between them so you might almost pick based on which bar you like better

My personal take is that heavier people prefer the grunty feel of the XR6 more than the rebel. I personally wouldn't trade my Rebels for a set of XRs (despite it looking like the above says the XR6 is better) so you'll probably prefer one to the other back to back

Plenty of other good options though. Ozone Edge and Airush Lift look fun to ride too.

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weebitbreezy said..
Demo both but my experience (own 2019 Rebels but ride mates XR5/6s every now and again) is pretty much:

- XR6 higher harness pressure, rebel more balanced between front and back lines
- Rebel more explosive jump feeling than XR6
- XR6 jump sweet spot a little wider.
- XR6 possibly a little more stall resistant to poor bar trimming
- XR6 better if you want to also ride on a hydrofoil/surfboard (though still not brilliant - get the Nexus/Dice if you want more allround)
- XR6 easier access to the last 10% of top end. Needs a bit more technique and leg strength to get the max wind range from the rebel (just change down anyway as you'll go higher)
- Click bar is nice but the new Sensor 3 bar is a thing of beauty.
- XR6 needs to be packed up carefully to get the air out of the struts. 2 dump valves on the rebel so you can roll tip to tip if its really blowing.
- Velcro tabs on the XR6 excellent to keep the bridles tidy when packing up/setting up.
- XR6 canopy beautifully tight on the beach. Rebel flaps a little more on the beach. Both 'tight as the mate who never buys the drinks' once in the air though.

There's not a huge difference between them so you might almost pick based on which bar you like better

My personal take is that heavier people prefer the grunty feel of the XR6 more than the rebel. I personally wouldn't trade my Rebels for a set of XRs (despite it looking like the above says the XR6 is better) so you'll probably prefer one to the other back to back

Plenty of other good options though. Ozone Edge and Airush Lift look fun to ride too.

woo man ty so much!

Hi Liron,

Core XR6 vs Duotone Rebel is the clash of the titans.

We sell both kites and I can tell you both kites are really best in class.

Both kites offer a massive 20 knot wind range in the hands of a skilled rider. (5 strut design keeps the canopy rigid and taut making overpowered riding not only possible, but really fun (again, if you have the skills).

I've always found the two do a similar job but they go about it differently. The Rebel tends to rip you off the water harder and send hyou high quickly, but then you will also drop more quickly and if mega boosting, you will have to loop the kite on landing as the Rebel will fly over you upwind quickly if unchecked.

I find the Core XR6 will send you just as high as the Rebel but the ascent is a little less aggressive, the kite will hold you high for longer and drop you slower. You can swing the XR6 from edge of window to the other side and back without having to loop on landing, although heli looping on landing is fun.

XR6 can be tuned with the options for adjusting bar pressure and turn sensitivity. You can make bar pressure lighter or heavier which is good for ham fisted guys.

Inflate systems are both good but Core is simpler and less to go wrong.

Core Bars are bloody expensive if comparing Trust Bar to Sensor 3 Pro (equivalent lines). The Sensor 3 Pro is very nice and clean and functional, but costs more than the Duotone Trust Bar which has SK99 lines this year. Core have finally come out with a push away chickenloop after many years of EVERYONE complaining about the rotate to release. It is very good and has a seat belt clip in chicken loop similar to the Ozone mechanism. Is it better than the Duotone Trust Bar?? That's a debatable issue and Core fans will say yes, Duotone fans will likely say no.

The cost of Core kites has had a significant hike this year.
Core XR6 10m and sensor bar is $2499 + $1199 for pro bar. $3699
Duotone Rebel 10m and Trust Bar is $2229 + $764Trust Quad Bar. $2993
Duotone Rebel 10m $2229 + $1074 Click Bar c/w C/Loop $3303

Both great kites, no bad choice.

DM

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weebitbreezy said..
Demo both but my experience (own 2019 Rebels but ride mates XR5/6s every now and again) is pretty much:

- XR6 higher harness pressure, rebel more balanced between front and back lines
- Rebel more explosive jump feeling than XR6
- XR6 jump sweet spot a little wider.
- XR6 possibly a little more stall resistant to poor bar trimming
- XR6 better if you want to also ride on a hydrofoil/surfboard (though still not brilliant - get the Nexus/Dice if you want more allround)
- XR6 easier access to the last 10% of top end. Needs a bit more technique and leg strength to get the max wind range from the rebel (just change down anyway as you'll go higher)
- Click bar is nice but the new Sensor 3 bar is a thing of beauty.
- XR6 needs to be packed up carefully to get the air out of the struts. 2 dump valves on the rebel so you can roll tip to tip if its really blowing.
- Velcro tabs on the XR6 excellent to keep the bridles tidy when packing up/setting up.
- XR6 canopy beautifully tight on the beach. Rebel flaps a little more on the beach. Both 'tight as the mate who never buys the drinks' once in the air though.

There's not a huge difference between them so you might almost pick based on which bar you like better

My personal take is that heavier people prefer the grunty feel of the XR6 more than the rebel. I personally wouldn't trade my Rebels for a set of XRs (despite it looking like the above says the XR6 is better) so you'll probably prefer one to the other back to back

Plenty of other good options though. Ozone Edge and Airush Lift look fun to ride too.

Yes the Core costs more but if it's a bit better on a foil or surfboard I personally could then justify the extra expense.

Hi Gorgemay,

The Rebel, Core XR and frankly, nearly every other 5 strut boosting kite is pretty dismal in waves and also not particularly good for foiling either.

There are two problems with these kites design.
1. The 5 struts add unnecessary weight to an already fairly heavy kite. If you are not riding these kites reasonably powered the added weight is trying to bring your kite back to Earth.
2. The wingtips shape is swept back to a point. If you imagine the kite flying on the edge of the wind window down low to the water. The part of the kite that is "supporting" the weight of the kite is the upper wingtip. The kite is literally flying on the upper 1/3 of the canopy to the wingtip. With it swept back to a point, it has little wing area generating lift unlike a sqaured off wingtip of an all rounder like the Nexus or most wave kites.

In strong winds the kite will generate enough lift fairly easily. In light winds like in foiling, or in surfing when you are following the kite downwind, down the line at reduced apparent wind speeds, the kite has to be angled more upwards so that the wingtip increases its angle of attack, enough to generate the lift required to keep the kite aloft. Problem is, with the weight combined with minimal lift generating surface at the wingtip and a high angle of attack, the kite will stall and fall into the water trailing edge first.

There are better kites for Foiling and surfing!

DM

Thanks for the great info guys.

I am also keen to test the Rebel 2021 and the XR6 for big air.
I've been riding the Bandit 2018 and they're great but I struggle to go >15m height under 30knots with the 9m. I imagine the new Bandits do a lot better now but likely still behind Rebel/XR6 in terms of air time.

I tried the 10m Rebel in 2018 in 25-30 knots and it jumped so easily, so long and sooo high (I had no woo at the time so no data), an absolute dream, but damn it was slow and the loops were sometimes a bit too grunty for me (I probably could have done with 9m then), but I imagine it's a question of habit.

Which of the Rebel and XR6 has the less bar pressure (on the soft setting for example, which I'll use as I don't have strong arms), and what effect has that setting (versus the hard setting) on the kite's other characteristics (rotation speed, air time...)?

How do they compare in rotation speed and power in the loop? Ease to kite loop, megaloop...?

I'm 75kg, I like to ride overpowered, old school, would a 11m and a 9m be a good mix for Brisbane winds, for the XR6 or the Rebel? Where can we demo the XR6 around here?

Cheers

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Yakari said..
Thanks for the great info guys.

I am also keen to test the Rebel 2021 and the XR6 for big air.
I've been riding the Bandit 2018 and they're great but I struggle to go >15m height under 30knots with the 9m. I imagine the new Bandits do a lot better now but likely still behind Rebel/XR6 in terms of air time.

I tried the 10m Rebel in 2018 in 25-30 knots and it jumped so easily, so long and sooo high (I had no woo at the time so no data), an absolute dream, but damn it was slow and the loops were sometimes a bit too grunty for me (I probably could have done with 9m then), but I imagine it's a question of habit.

Which of the Rebel and XR6 has the less bar pressure (on the soft setting for example, which I'll use as I don't have strong arms), and what effect has that setting (versus the hard setting) on the kite's other characteristics (rotation speed, air time...)?

How do they compare in rotation speed and power in the loop? Ease to kite loop, megaloop...?

I'm 75kg, I like to ride overpowered, old school, would a 11m and a 9m be a good mix for Brisbane winds, for the XR6 or the Rebel? Where can we demo the XR6 around here?

Cheers

Rebel has less bar pressure than the XR6.

I'm a little lighter and have an 11/9m quiver. It keeps you in the sweet spot (overpowered on the 11 is perfect on the 9) though if I was buying again I would probably have gone 10/8 as it would simplify selection for me (less than 20 knots = foil/surfboard, 18-25m = 10m, 25+ = 8m). 11/9m does give you very forgiving hangtime and landings though.

Don't know about brisbane winds though - sorry.

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weebitbreezy said..

Yakari said..
Thanks for the great info guys.

I am also keen to test the Rebel 2021 and the XR6 for big air.
I've been riding the Bandit 2018 and they're great but I struggle to go >15m height under 30knots with the 9m. I imagine the new Bandits do a lot better now but likely still behind Rebel/XR6 in terms of air time.

I tried the 10m Rebel in 2018 in 25-30 knots and it jumped so easily, so long and sooo high (I had no woo at the time so no data), an absolute dream, but damn it was slow and the loops were sometimes a bit too grunty for me (I probably could have done with 9m then), but I imagine it's a question of habit.

Which of the Rebel and XR6 has the less bar pressure (on the soft setting for example, which I'll use as I don't have strong arms), and what effect has that setting (versus the hard setting) on the kite's other characteristics (rotation speed, air time...)?

How do they compare in rotation speed and power in the loop? Ease to kite loop, megaloop...?

I'm 75kg, I like to ride overpowered, old school, would a 11m and a 9m be a good mix for Brisbane winds, for the XR6 or the Rebel? Where can we demo the XR6 around here?

Cheers

Rebel has less bar pressure than the XR6.

I'm a little lighter and have an 11/9m quiver. It keeps you in the sweet spot (overpowered on the 11 is perfect on the 9) though if I was buying again I would probably have gone 10/8 as it would simplify selection for me (less than 20 knots = foil/surfboard, 18-25m = 10m, 25+ = 8m). 11/9m does give you very forgiving hangtime and landings though.

Don't know about brisbane winds though - sorry.

Thanks mate, sounds good. I'll try to demo these over xmas.