Since it must be cheaper than most brands, might be good for our school cost wise . Came across a post in facebook:

"Decathlon released his "Orao" brand at the beginning with a c-Shape 2 sec developed by Toby Braeuer, Jeff Jack and bastien bollard"

it will be like the first mass available kite brand especially here in China since Decathlon Stores are all over the country ??

Spot on Christian, seen an add for kite lessons other day showing student with an out of reach trim and a poor fitting harness. Couldn't help but laugh

lostatsea said..

Instant Karma,. Bahahaha!!!

Hang on dumb question is that you or someone you know? Seen it on gumtree, thought it was a blow in instructor, apologies in advance

Just saw that Toby Braeuer said on Kiteforum he was not on the development in this project... so he asked to take out his name.
kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2397181

cbulota said..
All the bar pictures in suicide Mode

Thats not suicide.

Suicide is when the leash is connected around the centre lines ABOVE the bar.

Students in schools should not ride with the leash in the position in the photo above unless well trained in that method os flagging the kite, BUT it does stop the kite from flagging in an accidental unhook situation. This method shown above is generally recommended for intermediate to advanced riders.

Ben - Ikon said..
Agreed with above comment it's not full suicide, but it would be half suicide as this doesnt flag out in an accidental unhook ... definitely not recommended for a school or beginner. Not recommended in stormy weather either.

This safety is only good for advanced riders that frequently unhook and dont want the kite to flagout when they crash or miss the bar.

Stay safe out there

Disagree. Suicide was a term invented when kites had very little depower at the bar and putting the leash on the centre line above the bar was actually a seriously dangerous thing to do, akin to disabling the brakes on your car and then driving it.

Modern bridled kites depower 70-90% or more when you let go of the bar, regardless of whether the leash is attached like the pic or not, so its not even close to any suicide mode.

Its a really poorly understood term. Anyone riding for more than a year should ride like that if they use a harness with a hook, so that the kite does not accidentally flag if they do accidentally unhook. So many accidents are caused by accidental unhooking and kites then flagging leading to long swims, tangles with other riders, etc.
People should be taught to use the leash properly and to fully understand the functions of the flag out ring. Every kite comes with a primary safety so can still be flagged if the kite leash is connected as above.

In properly crazy suicide mode the kite cannot be flagged at all and can only be fully released - and only if the rider can actually reach and operate the leash quick release.

carbine said..
The Alternative Facts hit seabreeze.

That is a suicide setup 100%. Ozone/Kitepower/Steve you are wrong.

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100% no safety issues with the 2nd picture. Harness is riding up as expected and trim is fine and these aren't safety issues anyway! Sounds like a bunch of hacks clutching at straws to me.......

infinite % you are wong Carbine! Maybe you were not around in the early killer kite days?

Suicide is leash around centre line above the bar.

Modern kites depower heaps if the leash is set like the photo in "advanced rider mode", just let go of the bar it stops pulling, BUT the old way, you were cooked with the leash above the bar thats why it got the name suicide. There is nothing suicide about using the leash ring on the RELEASABLE chicken loop (chicken loop - another stupid throwback name)

carbine said..

I think you are confused.

www.google.com.au/search?q=suicide+leash&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=

There are several methods shown when you use that search term today.

I made a mistake above though when I said around the centre line and above the bar, I meant around the centre line and above the chicken loop. This disabled any safety flagging system.

It was suicide because you had no way to depower and other than to pop the safety on the leash and release the whole kite.

Most of the ways in your link above you can pop the primary QR and flag out the kite + modern kites depower heaps when the bar is let go and the leash is pulling on the chicken loop. Way different scenario and consequences to the old school proper suicide.

Surfer62 said..
Ozone calls this setup the "expert" mode not suicide, however the kite will not flg out, as per the ozone website description:

Advanced Riders: (not recommended, use at your own risk)
Riders performing unhooked tricks or who are more confident and have spent many hours kiting can attach to the ring using the Expert mode, where the chickenloop runs through the large eye of the steel ring.NOTE: When letting go of the bar in Expert mode (without releasing the Megatron, e.g. missed handle pass) the kite will depower but WILL NOT flag out. Be aware in this situation, the Megatron will be out of reach and can therefore not be released.

That section needs an update, because it was written before they released the short leash. Now if you come unhooked and are using that "advanced rider" ring the bar and chicken loop is well within reach, and the red primary safety on the c-loop can be popped, and the kite will flag out. Thats why I don't refer to the method as suicide. Even with a long leash you can pull the c-loop back to you and release it.
If your leash is clipped to your centre line above the chicken loop, you are in for a ride unless you can release your leash and let go of the whole kite - suicide.