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Crossbow IDS out to demo.... soon

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Caesar
Caesar

QLD

109 posts

8 Jun 2008 8:50pm
It is now on Cabrinha's website.
www.cabrinha.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16&Itemid=75

Did anyone had a ride on the new X-Bow yet?
Adrenalin Rush
Adrenalin Rush

QLD

876 posts

10 Jun 2008 12:55pm
I notice the bar is 1:1.

What have they chnged to the design of the kite to allow for this?

Will you have to throw the bar 2x to get the full depower?

Coral Sea
Coral Sea

QLD

476 posts

11 Jun 2008 8:57pm
This is the 9m.



they got a good flogging up here last weekend....I'm sure you'll hear plenty of details in the next week or so.
Kitepower Australia
13 Jun 2008 5:12pm
This is from a post I just made on Kiteforum.com

"In winds starting at approx 12/13 knots I pumped and flew a SB IDS 12M, and rode a 1.33 Caliber board, could not ride upwind, but could stay planing and going downwind.
Then tried a 13M CB IDS, was barely able to hold my ground, for a few runs, then ended up downwind. Wind was dropping and the tide was coming in (same direction as wind)
Then grabbed a 14M SB IDS and upped the board to a 1.38 Prodigy, was able to hold ground, but really had no more power than the 13CB4.
Then grabbed the 16M CB IDS and a Plasma, by this stage the wind was well under 10 knots, probably around 8/9 with lulls to 6/7 knots.
I was easily able to go upwind and do small jumps and transitions. The 16M CB IDS is a big improvement over the 17M Contra, it turns faster with less effort, has less bar pressure and flies faster, I really rate it as the best LW Cabrinha bow, second is the 17M Contra bow from last year.

Last season my personal kites were a 17M Contra, (sometimes flown on 34M lines), and a 10M and 14M SB3, with 2 main boards UG FLX 1.52x44 and 1.32x39, and occasionally a Nobile EXT 1.43x48 (used with the long lines and Contra mainly).

The 13M CB IDS would easily have as much useable power as the 14M Contra ( we also had a demo 14M Contra last year), mainly because it flies faster and turns better with less bar pressure.

I think this years SB IDS have less bottom end, but more top end, and more power in the turn. Maybe a bit floatier in the jumps too, and equally as good upwind."

End of repost.

I also rode the 7M AND 9m CB IDS and 8M SB IDS in stronger winds at Eagle Island a sand cay near Lizard Island, the wind blows cross offshore, along a nearly 800M long sand cay no more than 3M high. We rode the downwind edge, the water was like glass, and the winds were 25-32/33 knots. I saw other riders getting jumps with both the SB IDS and CB IDS kites in the 40-50+ foot high vicinity and I am sure I was getting jumps easily in the 30-40+ vicinity, maybe higher at times. All the kites jump extremely well.
Bigger guys were riding the 10M SB IDS and the 11M CB IDS.

I really like the CB IDS, more than the SB IDS, but I did not get to compare CB IDS 10M to SB IDS 10M, will have some demo kites in the next 2 weeks to do just that though!!.
There is a big difference in the two kites, with the SB IDS losing a little bottom end grunt and getting more top end this year. IMO it now is much more suited to unhooked and wake style, and the CB IDS, has lost the bar pulleys and is a very nice, user friendly freestyle, old school type of kite, it jumps and hangs huge.
The SB IDS also jumps big, but needs to be worked to get the hang time, otherwise it drops you quickly, unlike the SB3.
The depower throw on the CB IDS is short, very similar to the CB3.
SB IDS depower throw is longer, and similar to SB3, but maybe a bit longer.
Super easy, fast relaunch and self launching and landing are key features of both kites!!

Here are some pics from the recent trip we did to Lizard Island and Eagle Island (sand cay)

View of Eagle Island from approx 3 klms away


View from upwind showing the width of the cay, and the super flat water even though the wind was 25-30 knots!!


View of the sand spit from upwind, with Peace jumping on the 7m CB IDS


View of the upwind flat water area, pic is taken from the sand spit, there was flat water on the downwind side too, all the better, mostly younger! riders were doing huge jumps across this spit


Mad boat ride

even madder

Maddest



Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
Caesar
Caesar

QLD

109 posts

14 Jun 2008 10:49pm
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Kitepower Australia said...

This is from a post I just made on Kiteforum.com

"In winds starting at approx 12/13 knots I pumped and flew a SB IDS 12M, and rode a 1.33 Caliber board, could not ride upwind, but could stay planing and going downwind.
Then tried a 13M CB IDS, was barely able to hold my ground, for a few runs, then ended up downwind. Wind was dropping and the tide was coming in (same direction as wind)........snip


Hi Steve,

Thank you for your report.
What is your weight and what is your kiting experience if you can't go upwind at 12knots on a 12m SB or 13m CB?

Cheers
greenleader
greenleader

QLD

5283 posts

15 Jun 2008 12:14am
julius, it was 12 knts

not your 12 knts

"faaark dude it was like 20 knots"
Paul1
Paul1

QLD

1011 posts

15 Jun 2008 11:54am
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Caesar said...

Kitepower Australia said...

This is from a post I just made on Kiteforum.com

"In winds starting at approx 12/13 knots I pumped and flew a SB IDS 12M, and rode a 1.33 Caliber board, could not ride upwind, but could stay planing and going downwind.
Then tried a 13M CB IDS, was barely able to hold my ground, for a few runs, then ended up downwind. Wind was dropping and the tide was coming in (same direction as wind)........snip


Hi Steve,

Thank you for your report.
What is your weight and what is your kiting experience if you can't go upwind at 12knots on a 12m SB or 13m CB?

Cheers


Did you not read the whole post? He was getting 30-40ft jumps so I guess he is no kook!
Caesar
Caesar

QLD

109 posts

15 Jun 2008 2:34pm
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Did you not read the whole post? He was getting 30-40ft jumps so I guess he is no kook!


On a very windy day anybody can jump or fly 30-40ft (on purpose or by accident!). The landing afterwards is a different story.
It still leaves the question of the weight.
At 12 knts I'm going upwind easily on the 12m Xbow 3.

Cheers
Kitepower Australia
16 Jun 2008 4:00pm
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Caesar said...

Did you not read the whole post? He was getting 30-40ft jumps so I guess he is no kook!


On a very windy day anybody can jump or fly 30-40ft (on purpose or by accident!). The landing afterwards is a different story.
It still leaves the question of the weight.
At 12 knts I'm going upwind easily on the 12m Xbow 3.

Cheers


Hi Caesar

Not so sure about the anybody can jump 30-40 feet high, voluntarily and expecially not involuntarily.

And I mean a real 12 knots with lulls to 9 or 10, the wind is never exactly any strength, for any great length of time is it?
And I was on a small board.
And I weigh 75 kg, before I take the kids to the pool.
And I've been kiting since the dinosaurs roamed the earth.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve




Caesar
Caesar

QLD

109 posts

16 Jun 2008 7:43pm
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Kitepower Australia said...
Hi Caesar
Not so sure about the anybody can jump 30-40 feet high, voluntarily and expecially not involuntarily.
And I mean a real 12 knots with lulls to 9 or 10, the wind is never exactly any strength, for any great length of time is it?
And I was on a small board.
And I weigh 75 kg, before I take the kids to the pool.
And I've been kiting since the dinosaurs roamed the earth.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve


Hi Steve,

My question was not meant to be an insult- sorry if it came across this way .

I just sold the 12m Xbow3 and I'm eagerly awaiting the new stock.
Did you do unhooked stuff on the Xbow IDS?
Is (in your holy personal opinion) the SB3 better than the SB IDS?
Thank you for any tips.

Cheers



Kitepower Australia
17 Jun 2008 1:17pm
Hi Caesar

Say 3 hail marys, sacrifice a pig, and a virgin and the wind gods will shine on you again, all is forgiven.

No I do not ride unhooked or do unhooked tricks, but I spent a few days with some of the best riders that do.
Maybe Keahi will add his 2c's worth, I saw him riding the CB IDS 7M heaps, but he also rode the SB IDS and the new Convert IDS as well, and unhooks heaps and can do all sorts of tricks that I cannot name.
Same with Hudson, and Jesse Richman, and a few others on the trip.
I think the SB IDS is best suited to the rider who wants to unhook and do wakestyle.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
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