I am interested in a mutant to replace my Slingshot Fuse, which are no longer made. I used the Fuse in small waves and also as a light wind board on flat water.

The Cardboard Wave seems to get good reviews for its ability in small waves.

The question for me is: Is it any good for light wind? The size suggests it might be but it has double concave.

Anyone with experience on the Cardboard Wave?

Yea mate i have a wave and it rocks along in the light wind ,before i had the wave i had a naish 5'8 fish and even though its got a lot of volume it was still hard to get going in the light stuff cos of too much weight on the rear so i would always opt for a big tt ,now that i have the wave getting going in 9-10 knots is no prob and it tracks upwind like a dream,i wouldnt go back, sold my surfboards now all i use is the wave and the small tt.

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ice said...

I am interested in a mutant to replace my Slingshot Fuse, which are no longer made. I used the Fuse in small waves and also as a light wind board on flat water.

The Cardboard Wave seems to get good reviews for its ability in small waves.

The question for me is: Is it any good for light wind? The size suggests it might be but it has double concave.

Anyone with experience on the Cardboard Wave?

I have a fuse, and don't find it that great in light wind, even with the footstraps furthest away from the tail. I really only get the fuse out in waves from about 15-16 knots(me 82 kg). If its lighter I ride a big surfboard. I find the fuse really comes alive at around 20knots when its really a blast to ride. It's a pity slingshot don't make them any more.

yeah - the fuse is not for ultra light wind. I use a skim for that.

We get a lot of wind 15 to 18 knots which I used the fuse for, with a 10m kite (84 kgs)

SHQ have second hand Fuse. It was out of the shop on demo but it was returned on the weekend.

I am really interested in comparisons between the Fuse and the Cardboard Wave. I have ridden the Fuse a few times and hated it. For me it was way too stiff and not even remotely comfortable.

I cannot get my hands on a Cardboard Wave for a test ride and I don't want to plonk down a grand on a board I am not going to love.

I don't like the fuse in chop - very uncomfortable ride. Only use it in the surf or flat water.

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Gorgo said...

SHQ have second hand Fuse. It was out of the shop on demo but it was returned on the weekend.

I am really interested in comparisons between the Fuse and the Cardboard Wave. I have ridden the Fuse a few times and hated it. For me it was way too stiff and not even remotely comfortable.

I cannot get my hands on a Cardboard Wave for a test ride and I don't want to plonk down a grand on a board I am not going to love.

Read the review I just did on the CB in flat water and I did an earlier one in surf.

Justy bought one after a demo. Can't speak more highly of this board and I always buy the wrong gear... but this time, for the first time I got it right.

Mate what do you mean by too stiff?? If you can elaborate on this then I can do a better comparison with the CB.

Smooth as butter, almost just like a TT on flat, but not quite. But this makes for itneresting riding with slightly different feels either tack. Rockets upwind. Loads well. The only 'stiff' thing I can think of is jibing..? is this what you mean? Or is it the actual 'loosness' as it planes...?

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eppo said...
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Mate what do you mean by too stiff?? If you can elaborate on this then I can do a better comparison with the CB.

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The Fuse feels like it bashes into chop. The ride is quite harsh.

When going into carving gybes I feel the need to be very precise on the edging and weighting technique. The whole thing feels very exaggerated. ie. Carefully set the edge, carefully drive the weight down through the legs onto the centreline. It feels a bit like my 48cm wide light wind TT, except the TT feels good. The Fuse feels like hard work.

What I am looking for (and get to an extent from my current boards), is: Yeehaaa! Drive into the turn and blast out the other side.

When riding backwards and loading up to jump the board feels like there is a long, inflexible plate sticking out the end, which is effectively what the tips are.

I can ride the Fuse, it just feels really bad. There is no sense of sinking into the flex and driving the board through a turn. It's more a matter of fighting it to make it do the right thing.

In all the boards I have owned and ridden they either feel good immediately, or I can adapt to them within an hour. My regular kiting boards are: Underground FLX 132x39, custom Cardboards 135x48cm, Cabrinha S-Quad 5'11". I also ride a couple of strapless surfboards just for the fun of it.

Well what you described does not fit the profile of the CB wave. In-fact the more aggressive you get the better. Jibing on the wake fins (thrusters in front) is very similar to any TT, fast and hard as you like. Loading up, just as similar. On the thruster side takes more technique and control but you can't have your cake and eat it. if you jibe carve onto your toes, go as hard and fast as you like, it will stick bight and you can throw it all over your shoulder around the wind window. also takes a little more technique loading up, but a few tacks and you are there. Once again you can't have a board that drives in the surf behave exactly like a TT, but it comes very darn close - hence why I got it. Also get yourself some wake fins for flat water.

The fuse sounds like a hard work man, this is smooth as silk (like all Cb's) and is far superior to the fuse by the sounds of it.

get one, you won't be dissapointed, adds a whole different dimension - and it is a light wind machine - it seems

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Gorgo said...

eppo said...
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Mate what do you mean by too stiff?? If you can elaborate on this then I can do a better comparison with the CB.

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The Fuse feels like it bashes into chop. The ride is quite harsh.

When going into carving gybes I feel the need to be very precise on the edging and weighting technique. The whole thing feels very exaggerated. ie. Carefully set the edge, carefully drive the weight down through the legs onto the centreline. It feels a bit like my 48cm wide light wind TT, except the TT feels good. The Fuse feels like hard work.

What I am looking for (and get to an extent from my current boards), is: Yeehaaa! Drive into the turn and blast out the other side.

When riding backwards and loading up to jump the board feels like there is a long, inflexible plate sticking out the end, which is effectively what the tips are.

I can ride the Fuse, it just feels really bad. There is no sense of sinking into the flex and driving the board through a turn. It's more a matter of fighting it to make it do the right thing.

In all the boards I have owned and ridden they either feel good immediately, or I can adapt to them within an hour. My regular kiting boards are: Underground FLX 132x39, custom Cardboards 135x48cm, Cabrinha S-Quad 5'11". I also ride a couple of strapless surfboards just for the fun of it.

interesting comments Gorgo. I guess some boards just don't suit some people. I ride my fuse regularly, only in waves, and I really enjoy it. I also have a wide light wind tt and the two boards are polar opposites. The fuse is a carving machine. It's curved outline makes sure of this. I love heel to toe side turns on it and forehand cutbacks on the wave face are so much fun. Jumping this board did take some getting used too, It's certainly no jumping machine, but it's not made for that. Once I figured out I need to use the fins rather than the edge and be not so aggressive with it, it jumps fine. I agree it doesn't ride backwards that great but it rides toeside awesome, and the backwards riding still works when you need it. I don't think the fuse is designed for people that want to ride backwards all the time anyway.

I think as a wave specific board it does what it is intended for quite well. I think if you are after a twin tip to ride in the waves then a mutant is not for you.

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I think as a wave specific board it does what it is intended for quite well. I think if you are after a twin tip to ride in the waves then a mutant is not for you.

You obviously haven't ridden the CB wave, fuse is old technology, but by the sounds of it works fine, but the wave (from what i have read here), is far beyond the fuse is design and performance. it is a mutant board more on the TT end of the spectrum that works great in waves, better than a TT and some say better than a surfboard under certain circumstances/styles - I'm yet to discover the latter as yet.

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eppo said...

I think as a wave specific board it does what it is intended for quite well. I think if you are after a twin tip to ride in the waves then a mutant is not for you.

You obviously haven't ridden the CB wave, fuse is old technology, but by the sounds of it works fine, but the wave (from what i have read here), is far beyond the fuse is design and performance. it is a mutant board more on the TT end of the spectrum that works great in waves, better than a TT and some say better than a surfboard under certain circumstances/styles - I'm yet to discover the latter as yet.

no I haven't ridden the wave, and I am not going to make uneducated comments about their comparrissons for that reason. I was simply disagreeing with gorgos comments based on my own experiences.

Old technology? maybe, 2009 is hardly ancient though.

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bennie said...

eppo said...

I think as a wave specific board it does what it is intended for quite well. I think if you are after a twin tip to ride in the waves then a mutant is not for you.

no I haven't ridden the wave, and I am not going to make uneducated comments about their comparrissons for that reason. I was simply disagreeing with gorgos comments based on my own experiences.

Old technology? maybe, 2009 is hardly ancient though.




All true, not questioning your obvious extended experience on the fuse just questioning your comment regarding 'if you are after a twin tip to ride in the waves then a mutant is not for you' as the wave just about contradicts this statement. Not 100% but close. It is a mutant with a TT feel - which if you read some other posts of mine is exactly what I was after.

If the "old technology" comment is about the Fuse then the one I rode was a 2007 model. I rode it in 2007 and didn't like it then and I still don't like it.

I'm not sure whether a mutant is the go or a standard TT for slashing in the waves. If I could test ride the Wave or buy one with a money back deal then I wouldn't have to ask silly questions and try to make dodgey comparisons.

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Gorgo said...

If the "old technology" comment is about the Fuse then the one I rode was a 2007 model. I rode it in 2007 and didn't like it then and I still don't like it.

I'm not sure whether a mutant is the go or a standard TT for slashing in the waves. If I could test ride the Wave or buy one with a money back deal then I wouldn't have to ask silly questions and try to make dodgey comparisons.

Dude I think the old technology point was from me if not me as well! Sorry but 2009 to 2011 is a long time in kiting.