Because some had to start it.....!!!!!

Looking good! Excited to have a go

just a heads up as i had issues with my new c4.

if your use to doing unhooked kiteloops by unhooking the kite close to zenith then fishpoleing it your going to get a very flat spinning powerless pull from the kite. what youll need to do is unhook at 45 as the kite takes quite a bit of time unlike others.

UNLESS and here is the best part that took me forever to find/figure out

if you set the kite on "freeride bridal setting" (center bridal lines closest to leading edge knot)

AND

set steering lines closest to trailing edge (lightest bar pressure)

then the kite will unhook kiteloop just fine by unhooking at 12/zenith and fish poleing.

i really do enjoy the c4 in the "freeride with lightest bar pressure" settings. it still allows me to work on shifty3's blind judges while still letting me do kl3's

so yeah +1 for there easy begginer mode from me! just wish i knew that EXACT combination sooner would allow me to do this.


now as for the new kite :D it looks much more the same so thought i would just throw all that in there incase someone buys one and thinks there to **** to do any of there old tricks.

ps actually while im talking **** may aswell try attempt to explain how the bridal setting works. because i thought i understood it but didnt. basicly by setting the bridal to freeride (pulling it in tighter and closer to leading edge) what that inturn does on the front bridal line where your center line attaches that will actually be pulled in closer to the center of the kite (length ways so closer to middle of the leading edge).

now that being said setting up the steering lines closer to trailing edge means there is a larger distance between the steering line connection points and center line conection points there for giving you a greater range of angle of attack.

correct me if im wrong on those last points

@Kozzie have you tried riding it with the new 5th line setting?

One of our boys just picked his up, should have a write up soon.

Also we have extra 5th lines in stock which will fit straight onto 2014 and 2015 bars (not kites) as well.

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Kitepower Australia said..
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Also we have extra 5th lines in stock which will fit straight onto 2014 and 2015 bars as well. [Updated]

V6 has reinforcements on the attachment point of the powerlines in '5 lines mode'. If you consider flying V4 en V5 in 5 lines mode, you have to consider to add reinforcements too.

They use the same bridle attachment points which are all re-enforced. I just double checked and the 2015 C4 has exactly the same reenforcement as the V6. Ozone definitely wouldn't tell us it is OK if they didn't make sure themselves :)

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Kitepower Australia said..
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Also we have extra 5th lines in stock which will fit straight onto 2014 and 2015 C4's as well.

V6 has reinforcements on the attachment point of the powerlines in '5 lines mode'. If you consider flying V4 en V5 in 5 lines mode, you have to consider to add reinforcements too.

I love C4s. Awesome kite for looping and freestyle

Can anyone who has actually ridden a V6 comment on how go? Especially on the 5 line setup compared to other dedicated C-kites such as Torches and Razors.

I flew it today and flew the 2015 yesterday. The new kite, even in bridle mode, has much more slack even though it is apparently the same. In general compared to a full on 5 line C the bridle mode C4 does not slack very much at all. With the 5th it's like any other C kite but with a bigger wind range and more accessible depower on the bar. Bar pressure on both 2015 and 16 is reduced dramatically from 2014 which was a truck on the bar.

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curls said..
@Kozzie have you tried riding it with the new 5th line setting?

nope no 5th line.... i mean if someone were to give me one i might give it a crack for a couple sessions but i believe i would go back to 4 line with bridles anways. im really having to "underclock" / "beginerfi?" / "kookproof?" my kites anyways not looking for anymore performance. not mobeing like a madman just kl3's f16's landing blind/wrapped i would say i NEED a hybrid (currently on chaos's/c4's) but dont need a pureC just have them for wiggle room will be better off asking some these blokes in there 20's how the 5th line goes. i dick around in surfplan etc and fly a bit so allways struck me as odd to add a 5th line that WASNT under tension parasitic drag and all that can only imagine it is necesary and does benefit the structure of the kite if you can make it become under tension. so for me the mini 6th with the split makes more sense to me that way. i can see it being a structual thing that increases performance but at same time decreases performance due to drag/cost etc i would simply go without it if that were an option.

5th lines under no tension are purely for safety and that isn't needed nowadays. I don't see the point. 6th line setup gives you more rigidity overall slightly less slack and a more arcing turn (at least when I do it on my Hifis) and 5 line gives you less stability but more slack. 5 line C4 is only necessary if you are wanting to do double passes etc I think for 95% the bridles will be perfect

Been out on the C4 V6 with 5-line setup all weekend. Wind has been really all over the place and pretty strong, so haven't had the best wakestyle sessions in terms of landed tricks haha but I sure got to try the performance of it. Both for lighter stuff to unhook in and in real full on 35 knots on the 9m, boosting like crazy.

First impression on the 9m in 20 something knots was that it was really fast and even a bit flimsy in the air when unhooking, didn't really want to stay still. However that was easily solved when I figured out I had it setup to "fast turning speed", so I changed the steering lines attachments to the inner most knots on the wing tips which slowed it down a lot. After that it was like a whole new world. Kite stayed perfectly still when unhooking but was still really easy to loop and was pulling consistently through the loops.

Everyone switched to 7 meters when wind got to 35 knots but I was easily holding down the 9m (I'm 74kg) with minimal depower and went for some big boosts. Man that thing throws you up in the air like a rocket. Not as much hangtime and float as a bridled non-c shape but still massive fun.

In terms of unhooking I can only say that it gives enough slack for the most of us. I couldn't say if it slacks more than X or Y kite, because seriously I don't need it. I'm nowhere close to landing doubles so for me it's not the slack that's missing it's just skills haha. So someone might say "hey this kite slacks even more" but if you're not planning on signing up for the PKRA (or whatever it's called now) anytime soon then I'd say you'll have plenty of slack to go on the new C4. Previous years C4's with the bridled 4 lines gave some slack, but honestly it couldn't really compete with a proper C-kite. This year with the new 5-line no-bridles setup I'd say it's a whole other ballgame.

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Been out on the C4 V6 with 5-line setup all weekend. Wind has been really all over the place and pretty strong, so haven't had the best wakestyle sessions in terms of landed tricks haha but I sure got to try the performance of it. Both for lighter stuff to unhook in and in real full on 35 knots on the 9m, boosting like crazy.

First impression on the 9m in 20 something knots was that it was really fast and even a bit flimsy in the air when unhooking, didn't really want to stay still. However that was easily solved when I figured out I had it setup to "fast turning speed", so I changed the steering lines attachments to the inner most knots on the wing tips which slowed it down a lot. After that it was like a whole new world. Kite stayed perfectly still when unhooking but was still really easy to loop and was pulling consistently through the loops.

Everyone switched to 7 meters when wind got to 35 knots but I was easily holding down the 9m (I'm 74kg) with minimal depower and went for some big boosts. Man that thing throws you up in the air like a rocket. Not as much hangtime and float as a bridled non-c shape but still massive fun.

In terms of unhooking I can only say that it gives enough slack for the most of us. I couldn't say if it slacks more than X or Y kite, because seriously I don't need it. I'm nowhere close to landing doubles so for me it's not the slack that's missing it's just skills haha. So someone might say "hey this kite slacks even more" but if you're not planning on signing up for the PKRA (or whatever it's called now) anytime soon then I'd say you'll have plenty of slack to go on the new C4. Previous years C4's with the bridled 4 lines gave some slack, but honestly it couldn't really compete with a proper C-kite. This year with the new 5-line no-bridles setup I'd say it's a whole other ballgame.

Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to give some a demo and see what I think. Will definitely set the smaller sizes up for slower turning speed unless its pumping and I want to risk a megaloop.

Any comments on bar pressure and build quality? I heard somewhere last years feel like a truck on the bar, but could have my wires crossed

Can't say much about the bar pressure yet, haven't been out in steady conditions. But the build quality feels rock solid. Good reinforcements on the line attachment points that looks like they can take a real beating, especially on the 5 line conversion points (where the force won't be distributed between multiple points as it is with bridles). The pump valve and one-pump strut hoses/tubes are some of the best I've seen. It doesn't feature a mega oversized inflate valve as we've seen on some brands lately, but it has a full width inflate valve which doesn't limit airflow and pumping up is quick and easy. Switching to 5 lines was straight forward enough, there's a quick video on their website and if you've done it once I don't think you need to watch it again. All bridle lines (6 on each side) have little markings on them so should be easy to reassemble as well. Canopy looks sturdy enough, it's the D2 material so shouldn't be any issues. The chicken loop is huge haha, reminds me of the old Hadlows, but this one actually has an equally long chicken stick that works really well.

Hey!I have had the C4 V6 for a couple of weeks now! I´m new to C4´s and C kites for that matter.The first week or so i had it in the 4 line setup, loved the feel of the kite, pop and drop. Now i changed to the 5th line setup and haven´t had a good wind session yet, hopes are high though.

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Kitepower Australia said..
They use the same bridle attachment points which are all re-enforced. I just double checked and the 2015 C4 has exactly the same reenforcement as the V6. Ozone definitely wouldn't tell us it is OK if they didn't make sure themselves :)

geloof68 said..

Kitepower Australia said..
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Also we have extra 5th lines in stock which will fit straight onto 2014 and 2015 bars as well.

V6 has reinforcements on the attachment point of the powerlines in '5 lines mode'. If you consider flying V4 en V5 in 5 lines mode, you have to consider to add reinforcements too.

[Update]: We have discovered that the C4 V6 has a separate, and reinforced attachment point for the 5th line Y line bridle to connect to at the leading edge.

So geloof68 is correct if you really want to ride 5 line on a 2015/14 C4, then the attachment points that you will use for the Y line, should be reinforced.

This document fully explains what to do.
ozonekites.com/images/uploads/products/C4-V6-4-5-Line-Conversion.pdf

And this video shows in even clearer detail how its all done and also shows clearly that the C4 V6 has an extra reinforced tab to allow it to be converted to 5 line mode and then back to 4 line.

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TerryMcTool said..
And this video shows in even clearer detail how its all done and also shows clearly that the C4 V6 has an extra reinforced tab to allow it to be converted to 5 line mode and then back to 4 line.

thanks for the video steve, i can see just how much work went into the new kite with the whole 5 line system compared to my c4 that came out of the factory maybe a month before the new ones release