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Best Bar system Push or Pull

Created by Addikt Addikt  > 9 months ago, 4 Aug 2010
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Addikt
Addikt

WA

553 posts

4 Aug 2010 5:58pm
Almost done just need to get the QR sorted so what should it be

Push or pull and why ?


terminal
terminal

1421 posts

4 Aug 2010 6:13pm
Is this a trick question? The bar was made in 2003?

I'd say pull because it would be velcro on the end of the harness line.

The other alternative is the Slingshot surefire spreader bar, which would be push.
waxman
waxman

SA

1390 posts

4 Aug 2010 9:19pm
Is that the new fone light weight bar for there sup kite?????

Where does the paddle clip in
Addikt
Addikt

WA

553 posts

4 Aug 2010 8:39pm
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terminal said...

Is this a trick question?


Hey I am rather sensitive about my bar..........I was just bored waiting for summer and got to thinking how much of an issue the QR is becoming, seems most are moving to push and wondered how much of a consideration this is we all know how important colour is so I was wondering if this was as big a factor?
toddws
toddws

WA

469 posts

4 Aug 2010 10:29pm
Neither, that type of bar needs a turn release.

They are new and come in the form of a flat metal release lever and an impact resistant metal fastening.

This prevents accidental loss of the kite while underwater death looping.

I have seen them in the shops under the brand name 'padlock'.

I googled 'homemade deathtrap for kites' and managed to download the manual for this bar and the 'Padlock' brand comes highly reccommended by the manufacturer.

Anyway hope this helps, got to go and play with the powerlines.
waxman
waxman

SA

1390 posts

5 Aug 2010 11:03am
So what are you building the bar for?
oceanfire
oceanfire

WA

718 posts

5 Aug 2010 12:57pm
Doesn't the chicken loop have to be a part of the QR mechanism?
It looks like your chicken loop will keep the bar attached to you even if you release the centre line?
waveslave
waveslave

WA

4263 posts

5 Aug 2010 1:05pm




All that broomstick needs now is a death shackle and it's complete. ^^^

Wisha
Wisha

SA

255 posts

5 Aug 2010 4:30pm
Clearly the chicken loop hasn't been made yet. That is not a chicken loop on the bar.
The pulley system would make pulling the below the bar trim line a lot easier.
Do like the ultimate 'home made' look.
waxman
waxman

SA

1390 posts

5 Aug 2010 4:46pm
The mechanical advantage of having a pulley set up on a triangle shape is not very efficient, you could get 2/1 going strait up and down, but with a triangle the triangle gets smaller the affect reduces at best that set up would only give a ratio of around 1.6/1 and become less the more you depower it. You would gain a lot of rope flapping around under the bar.

The other downfall of a set up like that would be as you fully depower the kite and the triangle shape reduces down a lot flatter in a over powered situation that line would then flex like a bow which would have the affect of powering the kite up, the more you depower the worse the affect would get.
Wisha
Wisha

SA

255 posts

5 Aug 2010 5:05pm
Yeah, for ultimate ease a double ended pulley at 1, therefore going from 2 back to 1 and then back down to the cleat would have more of a reduced effort effect.

Obviously you would have to pull twice as much line for the same amount of trim, though with half the effort.
oceanfire
oceanfire

WA

718 posts

5 Aug 2010 3:45pm
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Wisha said...

Clearly the chicken loop hasn't been made yet. That is not a chicken loop on the bar.
The pulley system would make pulling the below the bar trim line a lot easier.
Do like the ultimate 'home made' look.


Sorry mate, but with a pic of a half finished home made device and no full details, it's anything but clear.

This isn't or wasn't a dig at the bar, was just asking the question; I like to see & encourage innovation.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter

WA

1675 posts

5 Aug 2010 4:34pm
I remember playing around with pulley bars years ago and as the triangle changes the turning of the kite changes hugely.Better off with a depower strap above the bar.
I think the inbuilt automatic quick release will work fine
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