Rider: 60kg intermediate
Style: wakestyle/freestyle
Weather: 23 - 25 knots
Build Quality: 10/10
Satisfaction: 10/10
Disclosure: (nothing)

My Comments: Hi guys i got a new kite and im gonna review it.

Used it today for the first time, the wind was good maybe in the lighter side of the wind range but definetly still in its prefered range.
coming from RPM's ill pretty much be comparing it to them.
i decided to buy a Chaos because im chacing slack line which im not getting enough of on my rpm. the chaos definetly has alot (especialy since im not used to it) and it will take me a while to get used to it, free falling mid trick is just different from doing tricks on the rpm where you can always feel tension in the lines, but its a good thing.
Blind judges are the only trick i can do that has a handle pass in it, it was super easy on the chaos compared to the rpm. tricks with passes are definetly gonna come alot easier and that is the main reason i baught it.
The kite was a fair bit slower than my 9 rpm which i prefer so thats another tick from me. it sits really nice at 45 and the kite didnt move at all mid trick. (the rpm was really touchy) i landed most tricks today with the kite in the exact same postion as when i started the trick.
you do need to ride it pretty powered and rely more on a good pop which is a bit harder in the choppy conditions i had today.
Im not really big on looping so i cant really comment on that. did a few gay little ones and it seamed ok.

I recon the bar is a piece of crap compared to the SS bar. hooking back in was a pain in the ass because the dd was always getting in the way or the really small chicken loop would be sideways. The bar is alot bigger and bulkier than the SS bar and that thing where the lines click to make the bar bigger or smaller just adds to the bulk. the only good thing about the bar is how it has that black smooth stuff over the ropes and how you can un twist your center lines easily.

Definetly happy with my decision to get this kite as i know tricks are gonna come easier. ill get used to the bar soon enough too.

Ok theres my first review done and dusted. probably my last but ya never know.

Glendog,


Nice review mate! You'll learn to cherish that slack haha it makes a massive difference hey? I agree that it is nice that the kite loses it's steering during the trick, it means that your kite will stay in the same place when you land!

I can definitely comment on the looping and say that it has improved on the 2015 even though it was still great on 2014.

Re: the bar... you'll learn to like it. I would recommend getting your local shop to order you in the larger chicken loop replacement (26cm) as this makes a big difference for unhooking! Also get rid of the donkey D. I will point out to those that are looking at this kite, you can order in a 40cm 45cm or 55 cm fixed bar with the kite which makes it feel less bulky and slows the kite down even more.

Great to see you loving the kite!

I had a quick session on it just then with my slingshot bar. Worked perfectly and i instantly felt much more comfortable. Is there any reason not to do that?

Cab Bars feel a little whippy coming from Slingy bars I know, and I always feel much more at home when im holding my slingy bars.

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glendog said..
I had a quick session on it just then with my slingshot bar. Worked perfectly and i instantly felt much more comfortable. Is there any reason not to do that?

I always say just ride what feels good!

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Drury said...
Glendog,


Nice review mate! You'll learn to cherish that slack haha it makes a massive difference hey? I agree that it is nice that the kite loses it's steering during the trick, it means that your kite will stay in the same place when you land!

I can definitely comment on the looping and say that it has improved on the 2015 even though it was still great on 2014.

Re: the bar... you'll learn to like it. I would recommend getting your local shop to order you in the larger chicken loop replacement (26cm) as this makes a big difference for unhooking! Also get rid of the donkey D. I will point out to those that are looking at this kite, you can order in a 40cm 45cm or 55 cm fixed bar with the kite which makes it feel less bulky and slows the kite down even more.

Great to see you loving the kite!

Thanks for the info mate, surf fx said i can swap my bar for a fixed bar with a bigger chicken loop. What size bar would you recomend for a 9m? 40cm?

I have a 40cm for all sizes... if you're going to expand your quiver you may want 45cm but if you're just going to stick with 9 then 40cm will be good.

Could you slow the kite more by using a small bar with a big kite?

Yes for sure. I don't ever use a bar over 48cm on any kite.

This kite is much better than i thaught it would be going up wind too. Alot better than the rpm is in wakestyle mode.

Some questions:
bar feeling?is it heavy?
how it reacts on gusty conditions?
water relaunch?
satisfied with its slack?
i am between Chaos & Vegas for 2015 any opinions accepted
thanks a lot

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Pumma said...
Some questions:
bar feeling?is it heavy?
how it reacts on gusty conditions?
water relaunch?
satisfied with its slack?
i am between Chaos & Vegas for 2015 any opinions accepted
thanks a lot

The bar pressure definetly isnt heavy, it feels perfect. Dunno id say its probably lighter tgan medium if that makes any sence.
Not to bad in gusts. I suppose all c kites would be simillar. Definetly feels the gusts but i dunno if its a bad thing. You have so much feel for the wind. Its kinda like a sports car with good suspension, you feel every bump in the road compared to a camry or something. But the sports car will definetly corner faster.
Yes im satisfied with the slack. Its the best thing i enjoy most about this kite.
Relaunch is good. Rpm was better but its still pretty easy. Relaunching from sand is a bit hard sometimes but nothing crazy.
I was also looking at a vegas but prefer the 4 lines of the chaos, and the vegas just seems to have to many different setup options this year. With 2 different bars and everything.

I wouldnt even consider this kite unless your hitting the freestyle/wakestyle pretty hard. If your looking for a kite to kite around with snd occasionally unhook then forget it, youll just get the ****s with it.

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glendog said..

Pumma said...
Some questions:
bar feeling?is it heavy?
how it reacts on gusty conditions?
water relaunch?
satisfied with its slack?
i am between Chaos & Vegas for 2015 any opinions accepted
thanks a lot

The bar pressure definetly isnt heavy, it feels perfect. Dunno id say its probably lighter tgan medium if that makes any sence.
Not to bad in gusts. I suppose all c kites would be simillar. Definetly feels the gusts but i dunno if its a bad thing. You have so much feel for the wind. Its kinda like a sports car with good suspension, you feel every bump in the road compared to a camry or something. But the sports car will definetly corner faster.
Yes im satisfied with the slack. Its the best thing i enjoy most about this kite.
Relaunch is good. Rpm was better but its still pretty easy. Relaunching from sand is a bit hard sometimes but nothing crazy.
I was also looking at a vegas but prefer the 4 lines of the chaos, and the vegas just seems to have to many different setup options this year. With 2 different bars and everything.

The good thing about the Chaos is that anyone intermediate or better will be happy on it. It's simple with 4 lines, has great range, slacks heaps, loops well, and does everything you need it to. With the Vegas you either have to be okay with a 5 line kite or you can set it up in the "hardcore" 6 line mode... but in my opinion having owned kites like this and flying C's for years, you don't need this unless you can consistently do handlepasses and your sessions are spent unhooking every tack.

this is what i am talking about! 4 line simplicity,user friendly,nice slack and windrange too
with Vegas i thing you need or 3 kite quiver with one bar or 2kites 2 bars (wake bar is 22m)
i think is a headache...
i now ride the C4 2014 10m which i really liked it but i had tearing issues after kite crashing
I will try both kites and i will let you know,
i am in Maui now for vacations and there is no CHAOS or Vegas 2015 to test ride!!!

Depending on what point you're at with your riding and the simplicity that you want I would go Chaos probably. You get most of the slack and a whole lot more freeride ability!

hey man, not planing to up grade my 12 rpm this season but when i do, do you recon i would get away with just having an 11 or do you recon a 13? trying to stick with 2 kites and chaos dont come in a 12.

Glendog,At your size you can probably go for the 11m. I'm powered on it starting at 17 knots and can go up to 24 or so at 87kgs. I have the 13m as well and it's money range is 15-20. 13 to 9 is a big jump but I used to do it when I was younger and it worked well. Up to you mate but you can't get it wrong.

after trying the 2015 Vegas 9m in 25+ knots (85kg) but did not manage to ride 2015 Chaos yet
only 2014
i think i will go to Chaos!
i trimmed the vegas both in hard & medium setting and the kite feels that it hears every move i make but pretty good slack!
so i am thinking that now that i am learning blind judge-back mobes etc i need a kite to be very stable and forgives my mistakes
do you think so??
also with Vegas and every C kite you need pretty good speed in order to pop for tricks,with Chaos is the same??
what do you think is the exact range of a 11m kite and 9m for a 85kg rider?not to ride over or underpowered
thanks again for your answers

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Pumma said..
after trying the 2015 Vegas 9m in 25+ knots (85kg) but did not manage to ride 2015 Chaos yet
only 2014
i think i will go to Chaos!
i trimmed the vegas both in hard & medium setting and the kite feels that it hears every move i make but pretty good slack!
so i am thinking that now that i am learning blind judge-back mobes etc i need a kite to be very stable and forgives my mistakes
do you think so??
also with Vegas and every C kite you need pretty good speed in order to pop for tricks,with Chaos is the same??
what do you think is the exact range of a 11m kite and 9m for a 85kg rider?not to ride over or underpowered
thanks again for your answers

i know when i first started landing blind i would land the trick but crash the kite and still be riding towards it theirfore the kite would invert. This would happen hardly ever on the slower 12m but almost every time on the 9m. the chaos would have been alot easier i recon just because it doesnt move mid trick.
Yes you definetly need a fair bit of speed to get a good pop. in saying that tho tricks look better and definetly feel better to land doing them faster with more power, and because of the slack it doesnt even feel crazy.
i recon at 85kg youd be good from 17 or 18 knotts to about 30knotts between those two kites. just a guess tho as im only 60kg.