only rode the 2012 Vegas twice so far. Review coming after few more sessions but i can already say it feels excellent.

Me and Fiona have ridden it lots .You are right it's great .
Have fun George

wow, did North just dedicate a 5+ minute video to bridle settings?

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iRideWainman said...

wow, did North just dedicate a 5+ minute video to bridle settings?

... my thoughts too!

Mind you, maybe it is significate performance change so they reeeeeeally want us to know all about it so it will appeal to freeride guys too, not just the flicky flicky dudes!

cheers,

Robbie

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Puetz said...

iRideWainman said...

wow, did North just dedicate a 5+ minute video to bridle settings?

... my thoughts too!

Mind you, maybe it is significate performance change so they reeeeeeally want us to know all about it so it will appeal to freeride guys too, not just the flicky flicky dudes!

cheers,

Robbie

Haha! Give me back my 5 minutes! Actually, i skipped the parts about the bridle settings...

Aren't there already plenty of kites that already have those attachment options? Even my trusty Slingshots have the rear line attachment points for bar pressure/turning speed adjustment (but not the front line adjustment)

...but my kites have three, not two, rear line attachments

I'm sure North can do better than to brag about adjustment points...

Not trying to bag the kite, just the marketing instead

You want to tension through a fith line, you have to know what your doing. As Ive stated before. (and I didnt watch the video). North kites use a tensioned 5th, usually to a Y bridle to provide stability through the centre of the leading edge. This minimises the use of front bridle and rear bridle points to, Support Leading Edge.
North Kites since 2007 have given a direct feel and thats why some guys reckon they are the ferrari of kites. Changing tension to the 5th is not a new concept, the cleat on 2006-2009 fuel bars essentially did the same thing, but through a Y front, it may be more refined.Decreasing/increasing tension on a 5th line only creates more wind range.

Oh and 5th line kites are safe as.
Just make sure no lines are twisted before you come in.

I was under the impression that minimising bridles, or removing them completely gave a more direct feel (like the Fuel or Hadlow Pro).

Wainman offer a single point attachment which does away with the bridle, giving a very direct feel with stacks of bar pressure -- not sure if this is necessarily a good thing, nor does it make it a "Ferrari of kites" either.

Btw, does anyone here drive a Ferrari and ride a North, which can give an educated opinion or a direct comparison between a half a million dollar hand made Itallian automobile and a $2000 flying bladder covered in rip-stop material controlled with 4/5 lines mass produced in Asia? It would be good to get some closure on this wildly inaccurate, and irrelevant comparison which keeps getting bandied around without any real substance.

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iRideWainman said...

I was under the impression that minimising bridles, or removing them completely gave a more direct feel (like the Fuel or Hadlow Pro).

Wainman offer a single point attachment which does away with the bridle, giving a very direct feel with stacks of bar pressure -- not sure if this is necessarily a good thing, nor does it make it a "Ferrari of kites" either.

Btw, does anyone here drive a Ferrari and ride a North, which can give an educated opinion or a direct comparison between a half a million dollar hand made Itallian automobile and a $2000 flying bladder covered in rip-stop material controlled with 4/5 lines mass produced in Asia? It would be good to get some closure on this wildly inaccurate, and irrelevant comparison which keeps getting bandied around without any real substance.

I drive a 1991 toyota lexcen with 450,000km on the clock. I also now fly a rebel and have used many brands for 12 years and I would say it is by far the best kite I've ever flown by a country mile.

But I don't qualify for your incredibly intelligent play on words, could never afford a ferrari, I buy too many kites.

and for the record wainman kites are also very, very good.

... isn't North from the father land, maybe we should be saying the kites are the 'Porche of kites', not the little red things from Italy!!!

... juz say'n is all!!!

Has anyone ridden the 14m Vegas?

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Puetz said...

... isn't North from the father land, maybe we should be saying the kites are the 'Porche of kites', not the little red things from Italy!!!

... juz say'n is all!!!

Maybe the BMW of kites...I think the kites are actually designed in Austria, close enough..

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eppo said...

Puetz said...

... isn't North from the father land, maybe we should be saying the kites are the 'Porche of kites', not the little red things from Italy!!!

... juz say'n is all!!!

Maybe the BMW of kites...I think the kites are actually designed in Austria, close enough..

... close enough, he he he, I wonder if its like saying NZ is close enough to being Ozzy, would they get upset??? Prob shoulda listened better in Geography at school!! Either way, Rebels are damn good kites and I like 'em! The Porche of kites.

cheers,

Robbie

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iRideWainman said...

I was under the impression that minimising bridles, or removing them completely gave a more direct feel (like the Fuel or Hadlow Pro).

What bridle? This is a Vegas we are talking about, there is no bridle.

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iRideWainman said...
Wainman offer a single point attachment which does away with the bridle, giving a very direct feel with stacks of bar pressure -- not sure if this is necessarily a good thing, nor does it make it a "Ferrari of kites" either.

Yes and this direct attachment gives the Wainman next to no wind range. It's wind range is limited enough when flown on a bridle.

Wainman the Ferrari of kites? Maybe if the Ferrari was running on 1 cylinder and 4 flat tyres

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BrisKites said...

What bridle? This is a Vegas we are talking about, there is no bridle.

Easy Briskites, See Dave...... first comment for what we are referring to here.

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BrisKites said...
Wainman the Ferrari of kites? Maybe if the Ferrari was running on 1 cylinder and 4 flat tyres

I never said Wainman was the Ferrari of kites if you carefully reread my comment, but ok, you're obviously an authority on this - unlike Lou Wainman of Wainman kites notoriety, one of the founding fathers of wake style kiteboarding.

oh, it's you again... hi.

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Puetz said...

eppo said...

Puetz said...

... isn't North from the father land, maybe we should be saying the kites are the 'Porche of kites', not the little red things from Italy!!!

... juz say'n is all!!!

Maybe the BMW of kites...I think the kites are actually designed in Austria, close enough..

... close enough, he he he, I wonder if its like saying NZ is close enough to being Ozzy, would they get upset??? Prob shoulda listened better in Geography at school!! Either way, Rebels are damn good kites and I like 'em! The Porche of kites.

cheers,

Robbie

Hey don't know if I like the porche of kites? Lets keep calling it the ferrari of kites and get mr wainmen all revved up a bit more.

So the wainmen kites are kind of like a cheap ferrari, like a skyline. Yeh wainmens the skyline of kites!

No, it's more like a Fiat Punto, not for any other reason other than liking the word 'Punto'.

Arent all kites like those great wall utes, built in China and fall apart after 3 years?

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No, it's more like a Fiat Punto, not for any other reason other than liking the word 'Punto




Ah that the spirit. Yeh Punto is a good word

... better than being referred to as the ,,, Subaru Brat, or the ,,, Nissan Homy Super Long or even the Mazda Scrum Wagon (or is that scum wagon, not sure)!

(note, real names btw)

maybe the wainman is more like the ibis of the kites

What was the topic again?
Does anybody have a relative comment?

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winter said...

Has anyone ridden the 14m Vegas?

Hey mate, Rode my new 14 for the first time today in relatively light wind. Was really surprised and happy with how well it flew in the light winds, and it terms of re launch was really impressive aswell. Like the other sizes it also was sick when it came to doing the unhooked passes etc.. so yeah my first impression was great