Looking to buy a new kite. I have a crossbow 12 and a gaastra 16.5
I want to get something around 9m for the currently cranking Perth wind. I switch between my twin tip and my surf board frequently so an all rounder would be good. But I seem to be riding more surf style lately.
Anyone have any opinions/comments of pros and cons for the rebel and the noise? Bar and setup?
Would like to have a try of each but a few comments would be appreciated.

Go the Rebel, the only people who push the BWS are team riders!

The Rebel is crisp and direct, great in the waves it's only downfall is unhooked and loops.

Try them and decide yourself.
The Rebel definitely has a lot of followers and is a good kite.
I switched up my quiver this year and tried to demo everything I could get my hands on. The Rebel did not do it for me. I ended up buying BWS.
The 8m Noise kite is the size you'd be interested in. Great kite!
Other kites I tried (and you probably should consider) are the Wainman Smoke, Best Kahoona and TS.
Everyone has different needs and preferences. Demo and demo some more.

Strange choice of kites ? 2 very different kites.
The rebel is a awesome allrounder, it doe's everything better than most,
The noise, has been designed for waves, if you were to compare the noise to the reo it would more sense.
Sounds like you should do some homework then demo,demo,demo.
imho. Hope this helps

Second that, they are not worth comparing. The BWS is not an allrounder. It is a wave kite, it works really well for down the line surfing in good crisp well formed waves, just like we get in Perth????

if your looking for somthing as an allrounder look no further that the best TS, rode one of nigel's 7m demo's and loved it, fast agile and fantastic unhooked (waves)

and to my surprise it threw done some pretty monsterous loops
the noise is a 2year old dated design, plenty of kites that fit your bill and do hell of a lot more when required

No one ever mentions the BWS as great for jumps, but because it has a flat outline it cranks for high jumps. You should have fun with that.

There is a few schools around that use BWS. Im sure one wouldn't mind lending you one for a go.

Again, I suggest doing as many demo's as you can get your hands on but the reason I personally picked the Noise was that it is a great kite in the waves and it still boosts like crazy with great float.
Lots of good choices out there but don't let anyone tell you that the Noise is a 'waves-only' kite.
Have fun deciding.

The BWS is being merketed as a wave kite, sure but actually a great alrounder and personaly like to ride my 6m (7m) BWS with a twintip, gives me nice floaty jumps, easy to relaunch,
Had go on the 2011 Rebel 8m, very smooth kite, easy to fly, I felt that the BWS was slightly directer, but a bit slower. Only thing I didnt like about the Rebel was the strange line set up.
BWS bag is a joke, but not an issue for most.

Demo them both, the BWS isnt so popular just because of the price and the bar must be one of the best availabe.
North have an unbeatable reputation for good quality and reliable performance.

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SugarQube said...

The BWS is being merketed as a wave kite, sure but actually a great alrounder and personaly like to ride my 6m (7m) BWS with a twintip, gives me nice floaty jumps, easy to relaunch,
Had go on the 2011 Rebel 8m, very smooth kite, easy to fly, I felt that the BWS was slightly directer, but a bit slower. Only thing I didnt like about the Rebel was the strange line set up.
BWS bag is a joke, but not an issue for most.

Demo them both, the BWS isnt so popular just because of the price and the bar must be one of the best availabe.
North have an unbeatable reputation for good quality and reliable performance.

Wow.... i have the complete opposite opinion

I had bws 6, tt boosting went up super fast then drop like a stone, no float.

Then on surfboard when you want a crisp direct kite it was the opposite.

When i bought it i wanted a 6 for 6 conditions, it flew like a turd at the top end.

If you lived somewhere you could 'drift' the kite all the time it would be good.


I now have rebels they do everything really good except drift in gusty winds

Ive got the 8m which is probably more like a 10m in other brands and it floats great, but Ive not tried the 6 metre.

I have seen many bws kites in the air and they look a decent kite. But comparing them to say the rebel for hight and float is absurd. Chalk and cheese.

If you want a wave kite that drifts , REO ,way more stable in gusty conditions and drifts like no tomorrow. The Drifter is supposedly great aswell as the name suggests

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Snowy said...
currently cranking Perth wind.

are you in some alternate perth ?

Currently cranking winds ?


lol

As everyone knows I ride Rebels and that's that, I have flown the BWS twice in 8m and 10m in different conditions, quite simply you have to try them, they are so different, very different.
Once you have flown them then you can make up your mind, it won't be a hard decision.
It might come down to money too, but you will find it hard to justify the decision only on that.

Note that although the BWS is a wave kite exclusively and the Rebel an alrounder, the Rebel has been and still is simply the best wave kite around, i am not knocking the BWS on that, but the Rebel does do it all, at the top level, also unhooked and freestyle with the last 3 years of kites new checken loop set ups, especially the new 2012.

like I said, test them, then your decision will be easy.
Daz

Agreed once you have tested both ( if you have some experience up your belt) you will see their is no comparison. Not knocking the bws, it is what it is and I see lots of guys out on them (never seen much boosting) and they seem to work well in the waves, but again comparing them is absurd. The rebel does it all, the bws doesn't. And nothing turns on a dime, nor has such a direct feel as the rebel in my opinion. Spent 11 years and never felt like I had found the right kite until I bought the 2012 rebel. The search is over and my bank balance is looking much healthier!!

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eppo said...

I have seen many bws kites in the air and they look a decent kite. But comparing them to say the rebel for hight and float is absurd. Chalk and cheese.

So you have seen a lot of BWS in the air....

And ridden them, not a great deal, but I've been doing this a long time man, from the early foil days to now, can get a good idea about a kite pretty quick. The BWS is what it is, but they shouldn;t be compared. Different concepts.

I know, people shouldn't be allowed to compare kites. That's just silly talk.

No your comment is silly. If they are kites built for the same purpose/market then a comparison is worthwhile as someone can then pinpoint the right kite within the style they are choosing to pursue. Comparing a rebel and a BWS is silly as they are different concepts. Compare the BWS with a REO for instance, specifically wave kites. The rebel is a fun and tight allrounder. But I reckon if you were on a 6 foot, barrelling bali wave, I'd rather be on a BWS, it does drift really, really well. But i rarely kite this, do you?

i just bought myself a 2012 rebel and am happy with it. great all round kite. boost's really well and is fast and great in the waves. plus u gotta look at what's going to last the longest? my choice the rebel!

The rebel is the best wave kite ever made.

Has anyone compared the 2012 Rebel with the 2012 Crazyfly Sculp? Which one do you prefer as an allrounder kite?

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And ridden them, not a great deal, but I've been doing this a long time man, from the early foil days to now, can get a good idea about a kite pretty quick. The BWS is what it is, but they shouldn;t be compared. Different concepts.

I can't believe the red thumbs

This is the truth, you cannot compare them, they are designed to do different things

North make several kites, better off comparing neo/bws

aren't they both wave kites?
i cant see why you wouldnt use the noise as a all rounder kite, same as the rebel, both perfectly ok for that.
for some reason i always thought of the rebel as best suited to strapped in, powered wave riding (must keep lines tight) and the noise as the unstrapped wave riding. put me straight on this?

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Poida said...

aren't they both wave kites?
i cant see why you wouldnt use the noise as a all rounder kite, same as the rebel, both perfectly ok for that.
for some reason i always thought of the rebel as best suited to strapped in, powered wave riding and the noise as the unstrapped wave riding. put me straight on this?

pete, we fly at the same beaches, they are 2 totally different kites, do NOT compare them, once again, 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT KITES................

i'll have to have a go on the 2012 model, last one i tried was the 2008, see if i can feel this totally different kite. can u hook me up tony?

mate, anytime, just come and see me

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Jedibrad said...

eppo said...

And ridden them, not a great deal, but I've been doing this a long time man, from the early foil days to now, can get a good idea about a kite pretty quick. The BWS is what it is, but they shouldn;t be compared. Different concepts.

I can't believe the red thumbs

This is the truth, you cannot compare them, they are designed to do different things

North make several kites, better off comparing neo/bws

How can you tell you have got red thumbs, excuse my ignorance. And yes there must be a lot of people out there who need a few more years experience to get their ducks in a row, if they red thumb something that is relatively true (nothing is ever the entire truth).

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strappedin said...

The rebel is the best wave kite ever made.

Woh dude, I'm a rebel flyer and love them to bits, but this is one outlandish comment - um have you ridden any other wave kites. The rebel is great in the waves but to call them the best wave kite ever - nah you are entitled to your opinion, but it seems very ignorant to me.


on another note, to call the BWS an allrounder kite in the same league as the Rebel is not just ignorant is it Farqin ignorant. Not even close mate, they are very different kites, and the BWS is NOT and allrounder - you can use it that way, but it is not designed for this - the Rebel is.

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strappedin said...

The rebel is the best wave kite ever made.

Woh dude, I'm a rebel flyer and love them to bits, but this is one outlandish comment - um have you ridden any other wave kites. The rebel is great in the waves but to call them the best wave kite ever - nah you are entitled to your opinion, but it seems very ignorant to me.


on another note, to call the BWS an allrounder kite in the same league as the Rebel is not just ignorant is it Farqin ignorant. Not even close mate, they are very different kites, and the BWS is NOT and allrounder - you can use it that way, but it is not designed for this - the Rebel is.

So your saying, that because Ben Wilson took the Slingshot REV2 which was the best allrounder of 2009, and had it redisigned a bit (by the original REV2 designer) and now calls it a wave kite, you cant call it an all rounder, but you can use it as an all rounder...

Man..your doin my head in !!!